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I've had small zeners (glass passivated types) open themselves after being subjected to a good overvoltage... they very reliably fail into a short, which usually causes them to melt open shortly thereafter.

May be worth a go, doesn't sound like something I'd want to put into production though.
 

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Actually this is really quite weird.

Most off us spend our time trying to make sure parts don't fail.
 
GreenTea, The problem is officially overly constrained.
-No more than 2.5V
-No more than 50mA
-No smaller than 1206 which is massive for surface mount
-No more expensive than a few cents
-Can't be a trace.

I'm sorry but there are only a few of component types that you can even buy for a few cents. A designer often is forced to compromise on one thing for another. Its not a lack of thought or trying, physics is just littered with balances and to be exceptional in one regard almost alway presents a new problem you are forced to account for.

Now you seem fixated on the idea that we are not trying hard enough, but I say something has to give. There are plenty of ways to guarantee what you want but not for the price, size and power you have declared. I know for a fact that carbon film resistors are used as electronic igniters because they burst into a violent flash of energy when massively overdriven. But that requires serious current like from a car battery.

Steve has made a great point on making parts marginal (which I think is the best you can hope for) but I am not sure you could even ruin a 1206 size diode with such low power. The only chance I think you have is to put down the smallest diameter wire you can find and hope it blows out with 50mA.
 
Thanks for your comments NickS.

Really, this problem is really directed at fault analysis type people. People that have experience with electronic device operation outside of specification, not the reverse.

I really do appreciate everyones efforts.

Won't I don't appreciate is negative posts NickS. If you can't meet the contraints, go away. Keep your opinions to yourself if you can't help solve the problem. I don't think anyone appreciates posts like yours. You sound more like a politician than an engineer!

Thanks for your input Steve, as it did make me think of something else and I have a solution. Yes, it was hard... and I did lots of trials (with errors) but we got there in the end. Its amazing how the manufacturers of electronic devices under-rate components. Yes, the component will be degraded if over spec operation is induced, but most components don't die easily! They are all a little like fuses, where you have to run them at 400% to make them blow in a short time.

With that note, I would like to close this thread. Ciao :)



GreenTea, The problem is officially overly constrained.
-No more than 2.5V
-No more than 50mA
-No smaller than 1206 which is massive for surface mount
-No more expensive than a few cents
-Can't be a trace.

I'm sorry but there are only a few of component types that you can even buy for a few cents. A designer often is forced to compromise on one thing for another. Its not a lack of thought or trying, physics is just littered with balances and to be exceptional in one regard almost alway presents a new problem you are forced to account for.

Now you seem fixated on the idea that we are not trying hard enough, but I say something has to give. There are plenty of ways to guarantee what you want but not for the price, size and power you have declared. I know for a fact that carbon film resistors are used as electronic igniters because they burst into a violent flash of energy when massively overdriven. But that requires serious current like from a car battery.

Steve has made a great point on making parts marginal (which I think is the best you can hope for) but I am not sure you could even ruin a 1206 size diode with such low power. The only chance I think you have is to put down the smallest diameter wire you can find and hope it blows out with 50mA.
 

(*steve*)

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If you can't meet the contraints, go away
Keep your opinions to yourself if you can't help solve the problem.
I don't think anyone appreciates posts like yours.

Thanks for the advice.

I note that NickS has said nothing that I consider inappropriate. Indeed had he not said those things, and neither had someone else, then I'm sure I would have.

With that note, I would like to close this thread. Ciao :)

Gladly.
 
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