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I'm planning to create a heating element by connecting a resistive wire to a battery. However, I've heard that may cause the battery to explode. Will connecting the battery to a microcontroller to release the current in intervals evade the problem? (I'm absolutely knew to electronics)

And if there's another way to make a heating element, please let me know! Thanks!
 

hevans1944

Hop - AC8NS
It helps A LOT if you know what you are doing. Please tell us what you are trying to DO, not how you plan to do it. It sounds like you might be trying to wind a kanthal vaporizer coil to be powered from a rechargeable Li-Ion battery... a so-called box mod. Ever have one of those catch fire or explode in your hand? I paid about sixty bux for mine just to avoid that, but then I do know a lot about what I am doing.
 
You need to calculate (or experiment) about how much power you need to create the heating. The results will be the voltage and resistance needed. Then guess for the longest duration you need. Then find a battery that can produce the current for the duration.
 

(*steve*)

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In order to ensure that most of the power is dissipated in the sock rather than in the battery, the resistance of the heating element needs to be significantly (i.e. at least multiple times) larger than the internal resistance of the battery.

Because socks are presumably inside shoes, the amount of hat required will likely be fairly small, maybe a couple of watts.

Be sure not to create hot spots and I'd like to see an easy way to remove power quickly because, unlike gloves, socks may be harder to remove quickly.
 

hevans1944

Hop - AC8NS
I am making a sock warmer. In the future, I plan to wear the sock, and I do NOT want it to explode. :)
I can understand why you would want to make versus buy a sock warmer, especially after looking at this Google search result. These things are all over the map in terms of quality and cost and battery lifetime. If you are going to use these socks on the road to keep your feet warm, then using power from the vehicle to recharge the battery should be an option. Batteries are heavy, so if this is for outdoor use while walking or sitting (in a tree stand while hunting, for example) a well-insulated pair of boots or thermally insulated outer socks is advisable to keep power consumption to a minimum and thereby prolong the available working time from battery power. You also need some way to keep the battery warm for outdoor use. Battery capacity drops rapidly with decreasing temperature because the internal chemistry slows down. A belly belt with the batteries mounted in custom pockets on the belt, along with an insulating outer garment will allow your body torso heat to keep the batteries warm and operating at full capacity.

I am diabetic and my feet get cold while sleeping because of poor blood circulation. Insulated socks help some, as does my heated waterbed. but a pair of heated socks that I can plug in beside the bed would be a wonderful thing to have... if I didn't get tangled up in the power cord. A heating pad sometimes helps, but it is usually nowhere near my feet come the next morning.

The battery in my vape probably only has sufficient capacity to provide less than a watt overnight, but it re-charges fairly quickly from a 1.2 A USB charger. You should probably consider purchasing a pair of batteries, so one is always charging, but also purchase a separate charger. If you size the resistance wire properly, say two to three ohms at 3 V, you should be able to connect the heater directly across the battery terminals without having to use a discharge regulator and draw 1 to 1.5 A from it to provide 3 to 4.5 watts for about an hour, but probably less. Even better IMO would be more resistance and two batteries in series to provide at least 6 V, The power available goes up as the square of the voltage (P = E² x R), so 6 V will give four times more power than 3 V for the same resistance. That means you can increase the resistance by a factor of four (use smaller diameter wire) and still get the same heating effect. I am assuming you intend to hand-thread the wire through the toe-end of a commercial pair of socks. Smaller wire means higher resistance and better overall coverage of the heated area. Some experimenting is required.

You will need to purchase stranded insulated heater wire. Here is a Google result page with sources for that kind of wire. Also see this page for one manufacturer.

I think even better for your purpose would be Litz wire, which consists of multiple strands of very small gauge, independently insulated, copper wires. Litz wire is not normally used as heater wire (the copper wires have low resistivity), but it is much more flexible than a single wire or a stranded wire of equivalent diameter. Perhaps you could separate the strands at each end and just use only enough of them to obtain the resistance you need. I am not aware of anyone who weaves Litz wire using heater wire, but it never hurts to ask around. Another possibility to increase flexibility is a layup of very fine strands of heater wire under a thin conformal insulation coating.

To give you some idea of what you are working with, my vape box power supply drives a 0.52 ohm kanthal coil at 20,0 watts. The box is rated to deliver up to 60 watts, depending on what coil is used, but all I need is enough power to simulate a cigarette, not fill the room with clouds of white vapor as some are wont to do. Even so, the box has circuitry inside to regulate the power delivered and safely recharge the battery. The battery does get warm while in use at 20 watts, but the duty cycle is low. Your application is closer to 100% duty cycle and may require sensing the heater resistance as a way to measure sock temperature, or you can include a thermistor (or several) to get a measure of average sock temperature. Use that information to control a pulse-width power modulator to optimize battery life if you want to go that far.

Neat project. Please report back on your results, what heater wire you chose, what battery or batteries you used, how you delivered power to the socks, how long the batteries lasted and at what environmental temperature. If you decide to implement temperature control and need some help with that, please ask here. I am sure there are dozens of people here who are willing to help.

Bottom line is this: a pair of heated socks will draw current similar to a low-end box-mod for vaping and use a "18650" lithium ion battery delivering about 3.7 V fully charged with about 3000 mAh capacity. That's theoretically 3 A continuously for one hour, but don't expect that and don't continuously discharge at that high rate. The vape sites do not recommend using two batteries in series (probably because they can't safely be recharged in seires), but as long as you use a separate charger for each battery, I don't see anything wrong with using two of them in series. It would allow you to use less current for the same heating effect, but your mileage (or kilometers) may differ.

The 18650 battery with IMR chemistry is commonly used, but these require protection circuitry to prevent excessive current draw leading to possible explosion or meltdown. And they require special circuitry to safely recharge. Do some research on vape box-mod batteries and find out what is safe and how to use them. Here is a website to get you started, but they ask that you to click-to-verify that you are over 21 before allowing access to their site. I did that. So far, so good.:cool:
 
Neat project. Please report back on your results, what heater wire you chose, what battery or batteries you used, how you delivered power to the socks, how long the batteries lasted and at what environmental temperature. If you decide to implement temperature control and need some help with that, please ask here. I am sure there are dozens of people here who are willing to help.

Thanks so much for the input!!

So, for the first prototype, I ended up using 22 AWG resistance wire from "Master of Clouds" which I hooked to a 3.7 V 760mAh battery. I used about 1 meter of wire which I sandwiched between wax paper. I "anchored" the wire within the paper with electric tape, and I can feel the heat, barely. However, if I hook it up to 5 V 1A (I have an variable external power source) it feels really nice on a cold day. I tried using two coin cells (standard 3V) to power the sock, and the batteries overheated. Bad choice. The 2 main challenges moving forward are making it less bulky within a sock and finding a way to heat the wire without making the battery overheat. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance!
 

(*steve*)

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Well, you have found out that for that length of wire, 5V rather than 3.7V is required to generate a useful amount of heat.

Hid you measure the resistance of your wire? if it's less than 5Ω then you will be overstressing the 5V 1A adapter.

At first glance, the 3.7V battery's rating of 760mAh might look to be something like the 1A rating for the power supply, however they are measuring TOTALLY different things. The 1A rating of the power supply measures the maximum current it can supply. The 760mAh is a measure of the amount of energy in the battery.

Your finding does suggest a simple approach though. As long as the current drawn is low enough, you could use a USB charger device to power your sock. This has the advantage that it will turn the sock off when the battery goes flat. Without this feature a rechargeable battery would be over-discharged and (in the case of lithium batteries) destroyed.

Another thing you discovered is that using a battery with too high an internal resistance will cause the battery to heat up instead of the wire. (Did I mention something about this earlier in the thread?). In any case, a pair of coin cells will contain so little energy that they would either not keep your feet very warm, or do so for a very short time.

I have no sewing skills and I have no real idea about making the sock thinner. The obvious thought is to use finer wire, but this will have a higher resistance and will also be more fragile.
 
The Li-Po batteries for my radio controlled model airplanes are 325mAh and they can provide a continuous output current of 70C which is 22.75A or momentary peak currents of 45.5A! Each cell averages 3.7V during a discharge with a maximum charge of 4.2V just like a Li-Ion cell. Some of my older and nearly worn out batteries get warm when loaded with 6A. One battery is puffed up like a balloon but it charges and discharges fine. I will get rid of it soon before it explodes.

The datasheet for a disposable lithium 3V coin cell like a CR2032 shows a typical discharge current of only 0.19mA into a 15k resistance. It has an internal resistance of 10 ohms to 40 ohms when new. Then it can produce a current of 37.5mA (0.056W) for a few seconds into a load of 40 ohms, or 30mA into 60 ohms (0.054W).
 

hevans1944

Hop - AC8NS
If you ever do get your socks working with sufficient battery life, maybe you should shoot for the market this company addresses. Spending $300 for a pair of heated socks may sound a bit outrageous, but if they work well and you need to keep your feet warm while skiing in the Alps, that's probably small change compared to what such an adventure costs.:D
 
So, you need about 5W to heat the socks.

A 3.7V 760maH battery has 2.8WH or enough to heat the socks at best for a half an hour.

I would be looking at a power bank with about 10000mAH which are commercially availabe for about $30 and have all the charging and protection built in. If the battery pack actually produces 5V at 10000mAH that is enough for 10 hours of operation. I suspect most of these are overrated by a factor of 2 or more, so you might get 5 hours.

Bob
 
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