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Ron(UK)
Marra said:Mains wont jump 2 inches !!!!!!
It`s not mains voltage and it`s not mains frequency, is it?
Ron(UK)
Marra said:Mains wont jump 2 inches !!!!!!
Chris said:I've got a ~2 year old microwave that has shown no previous signs of
trouble and is to all appearances in good working order. During
normal operation (melting butter on low power) this morning we heard
a
familiar 60Hz buzz, and then sure enough it shot an arc out through
the door to metal rack across a gap of some two inches. Following
the
burn marks back, the arc seems to have originated (or at least
exited)
beneath the chamber, where the inside of the door meets the body of
the oven and roughly halfway across from the hinges. First the big
question: whatever the failure was, shouldn't there have been a
better path to ground available? Do I have some kind of grounding
issue that I need to fix in before I repair this thing and start
using
it again? >
-Chris
Chris said:Thanks for all the replies. Its beginning to sound like I was right
to feel baffled. Its certainly not mains voltage, but before the arc
there was a buzz that sounded like mains frequency. Since you cant
see a flicker even at 60Hz (I'm in the US), I don't know the frequency
of the arc itself.
Ron: I had wondered if it was possible that the door had lost contact
(grease in the hinges?) with the chassis and was therefore able to
charge up. It still seems like it would have been easier to jump back
to the chassis than across the gap, but then I have two burn marks, so
maybe it went out into the door and then back to the chassis a ways
down for a while before hand?
Sam: I completely agree with both you and Ron that this seems far-
fetched. It seemed so unlikely that I started think I'd just made up
having seen the arc, and I wouldn't believe it if I didn't have the
burn marks staring me in the face. I also completely agree with your
reasoning for ruling out the HV as the explanation. Even so, I still
have some problems with the load explanation that I need to answer
before I trust my kitchen again. First, and most important, by the
same argument you made ruling out HV problems as the source, shouldn't
any spark created inside the oven by whatever mechanism be contained
by the chassis unless something has gone horribly wrong? On the other
hand, proceeding from the assumption that its impossible for the
entire chassis from floating up high enough to do this, is it even
possible for a load problem to cause a really large arc? In ballpark
figures, the oven is rated at ~1000 watts, the magnetron is some ~50%
efficient, say, so there can't be more than a than a few hundred watts
of microwaves bouncing around, right? Even if you made a tuned
resonator (one of these graphite and aluminum foil gizmos, for
example), and had no other load, is it possible to recover that energy
efficiently enough to something like this? At any rate, to be clear,
nobody thinks that in the absence of other problems I have reason to
doubt my house ground?
Thanks again. I'll keep cooking with one hand in my pocket for now.
Chris said:Thanks for all the replies. Its beginning to sound like I was right
to feel baffled. Its certainly not mains voltage, but before the arc
there was a buzz that sounded like mains frequency. Since you cant
see a flicker even at 60Hz (I'm in the US), I don't know the frequency
of the arc itself.
Ron: I had wondered if it was possible that the door had lost contact
(grease in the hinges?) with the chassis and was therefore able to
charge up. It still seems like it would have been easier to jump back
to the chassis than across the gap, but then I have two burn marks, so
maybe it went out into the door and then back to the chassis a ways
down for a while before hand?
Sam: I completely agree with both you and Ron that this seems far-
fetched. It seemed so unlikely that I started think I'd just made up
having seen the arc, and I wouldn't believe it if I didn't have the
burn marks staring me in the face. I also completely agree with your
reasoning for ruling out the HV as the explanation. Even so, I still
have some problems with the load explanation that I need to answer
before I trust my kitchen again. First, and most important, by the
same argument you made ruling out HV problems as the source, shouldn't
any spark created inside the oven by whatever mechanism be contained
by the chassis unless something has gone horribly wrong? On the other
hand, proceeding from the assumption that its impossible for the
entire chassis from floating up high enough to do this, is it even
possible for a load problem to cause a really large arc? In ballpark
figures, the oven is rated at ~1000 watts, the magnetron is some ~50%
efficient, say, so there can't be more than a than a few hundred watts
of microwaves bouncing around, right? Even if you made a tuned
resonator (one of these graphite and aluminum foil gizmos, for
example), and had no other load, is it possible to recover that energy
efficiently enough to something like this? At any rate, to be clear,
nobody thinks that in the absence of other problems I have reason to
doubt my house ground?
Ron(UK) said:Chris wrote:
Failing that, I'd get professional--and by professional, I meanIf I were you, I`d replace the oven!
Another article in that book was something about a military aircraft
hanger that was made of wood.(in Germany, I think it was) The radar
system at that base in Gemany was making the nails in that hanger
glow red hot and with popping noises too, they wound up having to
do some readjustments with that radar system.
William said:This is an absurd urban legend.
Microwaves have to be absorbed to heat something. Metallic objects reflect
microwaves and are therefore not heated.
A microwave field with sufficient power to heat nails red-hot (assuming the
nails absorbed the energy, which they don't) would quickly kill any living
thing in that field.
Michael A. Terrell said:William Sommerwerck wrote:
WIlliam, you need to update your 'Skippy" list.
cuhulin
cuhulin
Thanks for all the replies. Its beginning to sound like I was right
to feel baffled. Its certainly not mains voltage, but before the arc
there was a buzz that sounded like mains frequency. Since you cant
see a flicker even at 60Hz (I'm in the US), I don't know the frequency
of the arc itself.
....
Thanks again. I'll keep cooking with one hand in my pocket for now.