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Hi,
I am not an electronics expert by any means but I have an idea which
might work and wondered what you all thought of it.

My problem is that I have been threatened by various people for various
reasons. We don't need to go into the whole story right now. Suffice to
say, I have reason to fear certain individuals (whose barks are
probably worse than their bites) and have been thinking of ways to
protect myself, my family and my property from them.

Whilst I have an alarm system in my house, it only goes off after
someone arrives and that doesn't give me any time to prepare. What I'd
like is some sort of early warning system to inform me when they are on
the way. The geography of the area dictates that they have to drive
down a specific road, over a mountain, to get to me.

I know their vehicles and was thinking about placing some sort of radio
transmitter on each one. Maybe I could have a receiver, tuned to the
correct frequency, permanently switched on at my house. This would
presumably start making a noise once one of the transmitters came into
range.

There are several problems with this approach: to be any use, the
transmitters would need to work over a range of at least 20-30 Km. My
guess is that would make them bulky, expensive and energy-hungry.
Whilst I may get away with placing a transmitter once, I don't relish
the idea of going back to change the batteries every month! Whatever
solution I implement, the power should last as long as possible - more
than a year would be good. I thought about hooking into the vehicle's
batteries, but that would take too long to install. I need something I
can quickly stick under a wheel arch or bumper. And whatever I stick
there must be cheap, so cheap that it is virtually disposable. I want
to stick 10-20 of them onto various vehicles without breaking the bank.
Ideally, they should cost less than US$5 each. Finally, they should be
highly robust. Being stuck under a car, they will need to survive rain,
dirt, heat and vibration.

All that got me thinking about using RFID transducers. They are cheap,
long-lasting and very robust. The obvious problem is that they are
low-range. As I understand it, the maximum range of a battery-powered
UHF transducer is around 100 metres - not long enough to give me
sufficient warning, but this isn't necessarily a problem...

As I mentioned before, there is really only one road to my house. My
idea is to install some sort of receiver unit at the side of this road.
This would be triggered whenever one of the RFID units comes into
range. This still leaves the problem of how to inform me, 30 km away,
that the unit has been triggered. I have two possible solutions:

The first method is to use a second, higher-powered, radio transmitter
to send me a signal. It wouldn't matter if this one was bulky and
energy-hungry because it would be fixed in place on a lamp post by the
side of the road, probably with a mains electricity supply (although
that may not be easy). I could probably arrange it so that this
transmitter (or its antenna) has a clear line of sight to a receiver
antenna on top of my house. This is helped by the fact that the road
goes over a mountain. All I need is some sort of switch that responds
to a passing RFID transducer by activating this transmitter. Ideally,
to avoid false alarms, this would only happen if the RFID transducer
belongs to a limited set of ID numbers - although I doubt there will be
many false alarms for the foreseeable future. I would need some sort of
receiver to sound the alarm at my home. This would need to make a noise
continuously until it is switched off, a bit like a normal burglar
alarm.

The second method is to use a mobile phone to alert me. Ideally. it
would send an SMS (or several to various numbers) and/or call me and
keep calling me until I answer. A possible benefit of using a mobile
phone is that, if I use one with a built-in camera, I could also take
some photos and send them via MMS along with the SMS warning message.
That would be great. Not only would I have a 30-minute warning of
impending trouble, I would also have photos showing me how many bad
guys to expect. Plus, I would receive the warning wherever I happened
to be.

My guess is that I could maybe connect an RFID reader to a PDA - which
is programmed to send SMS messages/make calls via a connected (or
built-in) mobile phone. This seems reasonably do-able, but I have no
idea how to go about it. I have a programming background, but not in
this kind of thing. I wouldn't even know what language to use. I'm also
a bit reluctant to risk losing an expensive PDA in this way (but
recognise that it may be a necessary risk and realise I could probably
use a second-hand one).

Whichever method I use, I imagine the receiver unit could be housed
inside a waterproof container and secured to a lamp post or similar -
which would help with night photos!

One problem is how to power the device. The obvious solution would be
to use batteries, but I don't want to have to change them every few
days. Once a month is OK, but any more than that and it's gonna get
tedious. Also, people are going to start wondering what I'm doing.
I thought about using a solar panel, but I'm not sure. I imagine they
are quite expensive (remember, it could be stolen) but I'm open to
suggestions.

I *may* be able to gain access to mains electricity at the roadside. If
so, it would be prudent to assume that this could be cut off at any
time. So, ideally, the unit would run on batteries, but would use mains
power to charge up from time to time. It would be great to receive a
warning if the mains power is cut or if the battery gets low.

That's about it. In summary, I need someone to help me design a
roadside early warning system that is triggered by the presence of an
RFID chip (or similar small, cheap, robust and energy-friendly
transmitter). I should be able to place a number of these transmitters
under car bumpers or wheel arches. The receiver unit should either
transmit a warning signal or send an SMS to my mobile phone, and maybe
others, whenever it is triggered. Ideally, it would also be able to
send a series of photos by MMS. It should run on batteries, but with a
method for topping up from the mains and, ideally, calling for help if
it runs into energy problems.

What do you reckon? Is this feasible? Does anyone have any advice about
how to implement it in practice? I'd really appreciate your thoughts,
ideas, suggestions and recommendations.
 
D

Donald

Hi,
I am not an electronics expert by any means but I have an idea which
might work and wondered what you all thought of it.

My problem is that I have been threatened by various people for various
reasons. We don't need to go into the whole story right now. Suffice to
say, I have reason to fear certain individuals (whose barks are
probably worse than their bites) and have been thinking of ways to
protect myself, my family and my property from them.

Whilst I have an alarm system in my house, it only goes off after
someone arrives and that doesn't give me any time to prepare. What I'd
like is some sort of early warning system to inform me when they are on
the way. The geography of the area dictates that they have to drive
down a specific road, over a mountain, to get to me.

I know their vehicles and was thinking about placing some sort of radio
transmitter on each one. Maybe I could have a receiver, tuned to the
correct frequency, permanently switched on at my house. This would
presumably start making a noise once one of the transmitters came into
range.

There are several problems with this approach: to be any use, the
transmitters would need to work over a range of at least 20-30 Km. My
guess is that would make them bulky, expensive and energy-hungry.
Whilst I may get away with placing a transmitter once, I don't relish
the idea of going back to change the batteries every month! Whatever
solution I implement, the power should last as long as possible - more
than a year would be good. I thought about hooking into the vehicle's
batteries, but that would take too long to install. I need something I
can quickly stick under a wheel arch or bumper. And whatever I stick
there must be cheap, so cheap that it is virtually disposable. I want
to stick 10-20 of them onto various vehicles without breaking the bank.
Ideally, they should cost less than US$5 each. Finally, they should be
highly robust. Being stuck under a car, they will need to survive rain,
dirt, heat and vibration.

All that got me thinking about using RFID transducers. They are cheap,
long-lasting and very robust. The obvious problem is that they are
low-range. As I understand it, the maximum range of a battery-powered
UHF transducer is around 100 metres - not long enough to give me
sufficient warning, but this isn't necessarily a problem...

As I mentioned before, there is really only one road to my house. My
idea is to install some sort of receiver unit at the side of this road.
This would be triggered whenever one of the RFID units comes into
range. This still leaves the problem of how to inform me, 30 km away,
that the unit has been triggered. I have two possible solutions:

The first method is to use a second, higher-powered, radio transmitter
to send me a signal. It wouldn't matter if this one was bulky and
energy-hungry because it would be fixed in place on a lamp post by the
side of the road, probably with a mains electricity supply (although
that may not be easy). I could probably arrange it so that this
transmitter (or its antenna) has a clear line of sight to a receiver
antenna on top of my house. This is helped by the fact that the road
goes over a mountain. All I need is some sort of switch that responds
to a passing RFID transducer by activating this transmitter. Ideally,
to avoid false alarms, this would only happen if the RFID transducer
belongs to a limited set of ID numbers - although I doubt there will be
many false alarms for the foreseeable future. I would need some sort of
receiver to sound the alarm at my home. This would need to make a noise
continuously until it is switched off, a bit like a normal burglar
alarm.

The second method is to use a mobile phone to alert me. Ideally. it
would send an SMS (or several to various numbers) and/or call me and
keep calling me until I answer. A possible benefit of using a mobile
phone is that, if I use one with a built-in camera, I could also take
some photos and send them via MMS along with the SMS warning message.
That would be great. Not only would I have a 30-minute warning of
impending trouble, I would also have photos showing me how many bad
guys to expect. Plus, I would receive the warning wherever I happened
to be.

My guess is that I could maybe connect an RFID reader to a PDA - which
is programmed to send SMS messages/make calls via a connected (or
built-in) mobile phone. This seems reasonably do-able, but I have no
idea how to go about it. I have a programming background, but not in
this kind of thing. I wouldn't even know what language to use. I'm also
a bit reluctant to risk losing an expensive PDA in this way (but
recognise that it may be a necessary risk and realise I could probably
use a second-hand one).

Whichever method I use, I imagine the receiver unit could be housed
inside a waterproof container and secured to a lamp post or similar -
which would help with night photos!

One problem is how to power the device. The obvious solution would be
to use batteries, but I don't want to have to change them every few
days. Once a month is OK, but any more than that and it's gonna get
tedious. Also, people are going to start wondering what I'm doing.
I thought about using a solar panel, but I'm not sure. I imagine they
are quite expensive (remember, it could be stolen) but I'm open to
suggestions.

I *may* be able to gain access to mains electricity at the roadside. If
so, it would be prudent to assume that this could be cut off at any
time. So, ideally, the unit would run on batteries, but would use mains
power to charge up from time to time. It would be great to receive a
warning if the mains power is cut or if the battery gets low.

That's about it. In summary, I need someone to help me design a
roadside early warning system that is triggered by the presence of an
RFID chip (or similar small, cheap, robust and energy-friendly
transmitter). I should be able to place a number of these transmitters
under car bumpers or wheel arches. The receiver unit should either
transmit a warning signal or send an SMS to my mobile phone, and maybe
others, whenever it is triggered. Ideally, it would also be able to
send a series of photos by MMS. It should run on batteries, but with a
method for topping up from the mains and, ideally, calling for help if
it runs into energy problems.

What do you reckon? Is this feasible? Does anyone have any advice about
how to implement it in practice? I'd really appreciate your thoughts,
ideas, suggestions and recommendations.

20-30 Km = 12-18 Miles !!!

$5.00 , are you nuts !!!

This is not a technical problem.

It would be cheaper to hire a body guard.

After a few months of seeing you with a large person, will give the
correct message.
 
L

Luhan

Hi,
I am not an electronics expert by any means but I have an idea which
might work and wondered what you all thought of it.

My problem is that I have been threatened by various people for various
reasons. We don't need to go into the whole story right now. Suffice to
say, I have reason to fear certain individuals (whose barks are
probably worse than their bites) and have been thinking of ways to
protect myself, my family and my property from them.

Whilst I have an alarm system in my house, it only goes off after
someone arrives and that doesn't give me any time to prepare. What I'd
like is some sort of early warning system to inform me when they are on
the way. The geography of the area dictates that they have to drive
down a specific road, over a mountain, to get to me.

I know their vehicles and was thinking about placing some sort of radio
transmitter on each one. Maybe I could have a receiver, tuned to the
correct frequency, permanently switched on at my house. This would
presumably start making a noise once one of the transmitters came into
range.

There are several problems with this approach: to be any use, the
transmitters would need to work over a range of at least 20-30 Km. My
guess is that would make them bulky, expensive and energy-hungry.
Whilst I may get away with placing a transmitter once, I don't relish
the idea of going back to change the batteries every month! Whatever
solution I implement, the power should last as long as possible - more
than a year would be good. I thought about hooking into the vehicle's
batteries, but that would take too long to install. I need something I
can quickly stick under a wheel arch or bumper. And whatever I stick
there must be cheap, so cheap that it is virtually disposable. I want
to stick 10-20 of them onto various vehicles without breaking the bank.
Ideally, they should cost less than US$5 each. Finally, they should be
highly robust. Being stuck under a car, they will need to survive rain,
dirt, heat and vibration.

All that got me thinking about using RFID transducers. They are cheap,
long-lasting and very robust. The obvious problem is that they are
low-range. As I understand it, the maximum range of a battery-powered
UHF transducer is around 100 metres - not long enough to give me
sufficient warning, but this isn't necessarily a problem...

As I mentioned before, there is really only one road to my house. My
idea is to install some sort of receiver unit at the side of this road.
This would be triggered whenever one of the RFID units comes into
range. This still leaves the problem of how to inform me, 30 km away,
that the unit has been triggered. I have two possible solutions:

The first method is to use a second, higher-powered, radio transmitter
to send me a signal. It wouldn't matter if this one was bulky and
energy-hungry because it would be fixed in place on a lamp post by the
side of the road, probably with a mains electricity supply (although
that may not be easy). I could probably arrange it so that this
transmitter (or its antenna) has a clear line of sight to a receiver
antenna on top of my house. This is helped by the fact that the road
goes over a mountain. All I need is some sort of switch that responds
to a passing RFID transducer by activating this transmitter. Ideally,
to avoid false alarms, this would only happen if the RFID transducer
belongs to a limited set of ID numbers - although I doubt there will be
many false alarms for the foreseeable future. I would need some sort of
receiver to sound the alarm at my home. This would need to make a noise
continuously until it is switched off, a bit like a normal burglar
alarm.

The second method is to use a mobile phone to alert me. Ideally. it
would send an SMS (or several to various numbers) and/or call me and
keep calling me until I answer. A possible benefit of using a mobile
phone is that, if I use one with a built-in camera, I could also take
some photos and send them via MMS along with the SMS warning message.
That would be great. Not only would I have a 30-minute warning of
impending trouble, I would also have photos showing me how many bad
guys to expect. Plus, I would receive the warning wherever I happened
to be.

My guess is that I could maybe connect an RFID reader to a PDA - which
is programmed to send SMS messages/make calls via a connected (or
built-in) mobile phone. This seems reasonably do-able, but I have no
idea how to go about it. I have a programming background, but not in
this kind of thing. I wouldn't even know what language to use. I'm also
a bit reluctant to risk losing an expensive PDA in this way (but
recognise that it may be a necessary risk and realise I could probably
use a second-hand one).

Whichever method I use, I imagine the receiver unit could be housed
inside a waterproof container and secured to a lamp post or similar -
which would help with night photos!

One problem is how to power the device. The obvious solution would be
to use batteries, but I don't want to have to change them every few
days. Once a month is OK, but any more than that and it's gonna get
tedious. Also, people are going to start wondering what I'm doing.
I thought about using a solar panel, but I'm not sure. I imagine they
are quite expensive (remember, it could be stolen) but I'm open to
suggestions.

I *may* be able to gain access to mains electricity at the roadside. If
so, it would be prudent to assume that this could be cut off at any
time. So, ideally, the unit would run on batteries, but would use mains
power to charge up from time to time. It would be great to receive a
warning if the mains power is cut or if the battery gets low.

That's about it. In summary, I need someone to help me design a
roadside early warning system that is triggered by the presence of an
RFID chip (or similar small, cheap, robust and energy-friendly
transmitter). I should be able to place a number of these transmitters
under car bumpers or wheel arches. The receiver unit should either
transmit a warning signal or send an SMS to my mobile phone, and maybe
others, whenever it is triggered. Ideally, it would also be able to
send a series of photos by MMS. It should run on batteries, but with a
method for topping up from the mains and, ideally, calling for help if
it runs into energy problems.

What do you reckon? Is this feasible? Does anyone have any advice about
how to implement it in practice? I'd really appreciate your thoughts,
ideas, suggestions and recommendations.

Get a very large dog.

Luhan
 
I am not an electronics expert by any means but I have an idea which
might work and wondered what you all thought of it.

No, you're merely an apparent nutcase lurking in a bunker and
contemplating various surveillance of - at best - dubious legality.
Your scheme is utterly impossible.

You would be better off putting camera(s) in appropriate locations with
good enough telephoto lenses to see the road in question and using
image recognition software to identify the license plates of those
vehicles. In my location, at least, you are required by law to post
signs advertising the presence of such cameras.

Why not just dig some spiked man-traps around your house and seed the
perimeter with antipersonnel mines? Another favored Vietnam-era tactic
- inexpensive, and all the components are available by mail-order in
the United States - is to build a simple booby trap with a centerfire
rifle cartridge, two pieces of wood joined by a hinge, and a nail that
fires the cartridge when the device is stepped on. The next defensive
ring can be a marshy patch infested with roaming crocodiles, and in the
inner ring you should have several large, menacing-looking dogs -
Dobermans and Alsatians are favorites. Acquire a .50 Barrett sniper
rifle <http://www.barrettrifles.com/> and you can sit in your pillbox
ready to fend off any invader.
 
M

Michael A. Terrell

[email protected] wrote:



--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
L

larwe

Slow said:
Yes zwsdotcom also posts as aratzio the net kOOk.

Hardly. What an odd moron you are, indeed; check the header on
"aratzio's" message and compare with that on my reply to the weirdo in
question.

Plonk.
 
R

Rich Grise

Hi,
I am not an electronics expert by any means but I have an idea which
might work and wondered what you all thought of it.

My problem is that I have been threatened by various people for various
reasons. We don't need to go into the whole story right now. Suffice to
say, I have reason to fear certain individuals (whose barks are
probably worse than their bites) and have been thinking of ways to
protect myself, my family and my property from them.

Collect evidence, go to the local Police station, and ask for a
restraining order.

This only works with hard evidence, however, such as logs of phone
calls, transcriptions of incidents with dates/times/locations, that
sort of thing. They won't issue a restraining order against the
boogeyman behind that tree.

Good Luck!
Rich
 
T

Tom

My problem is that I have been threatened by various people for various
reasons. We don't need to go into the whole story right now. Suffice to
say, I have reason to fear certain individuals (whose barks are
probably worse than their bites) and have been thinking of ways to
protect myself, my family and my property from them.

I know their vehicles and was thinking about placing some sort of radio
transmitter on each one. Maybe I could have a receiver, tuned to the
correct frequency, permanently switched on at my house. This would
presumably start making a noise once one of the transmitters came into
range.

This sounds like a very elaborate and expensive system. It will completely
fail when the person removes the tag from their car or if they use a different
car. Also there's a good chance that if you're caught sneaking around and
tagging people's cars you could be charged with vandalism and/or trespassing.

A better solution would be to get a restraining order and a simple CCTV
camera.
 
A

Android

Dear posters,

You all seem to assume that I live in a "civilised" country, like the
US, where restraining orders, etc. have meaning. That is not the case.
I live in Indonesia. Most of your comments become invalid when you take
into account the different culture and laws here. Sometimes it's like
the wild west here: people solve problems by forming a mob and burning
your house down. It's sad, but true. In this event, I somehow doubt a
CCTV camera would do me much good.

Paranoid? A survivalist? I don't think so. I certainy don't want to
live in a bunker surrounded by guard dogs, etc., but it seems prudent
to think about getting some sort of warning after having my life and
property threatened.

Am I nuts? According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID)
"The lowest cost EPC RFID tags, which are standard chosen by Wal-Mart,
DOD, Target, Tesco in the UK and Metro AG in Germany, are available
today at a price of 5 cents each". So why is US$5 so crazy?

Of course my idea would fail if someone removed the tag (assuming they
found it and knew what it was), or used a different car - but, once
again, you are being US-centric. Can you imagine that there are
countries where people don't have more than one car?
 
T

Tom

Dear posters,

You all seem to assume that I live in a "civilised" country, like the
US, where restraining orders, etc. have meaning. That is not the case.
I live in Indonesia. Most of your comments become invalid when you take
into account the different culture and laws here. Sometimes it's like
the wild west here: people solve problems by forming a mob and burning
your house down. It's sad, but true. In this event, I somehow doubt a
CCTV camera would do me much good.

If the laws regarding personal safety are not well enforced, then I imagine
that laws concerning radio spectrum usage are not all that well enforced
either. In that case forget RFID and cellphones, just buy some wildlife
tracking transmitters! They are small, lightweight, and the batteries will
last anywhere from one month to several years. Here are some examples:
www.sirtrack.com/product_details.asp?Prod_ID=28
www.avminstrument.com
www.lotek.com/nanotag.htm
Then you just need to install a repeater somewhere near the road, preferably
on top of the hill. A pair of ham radios on different bands connected
back-to-back will make a satisfactory repeater. With a suitable antenna, this
will relay the signal over the 30km back to your house. In a "civilised"
country you would need a radio license for this kind of setup.
Am I nuts? According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID)
"The lowest cost EPC RFID tags, which are standard chosen by Wal-Mart,
DOD, Target, Tesco in the UK and Metro AG in Germany, are available
today at a price of 5 cents each". So why is US$5 so crazy?

The 5 cent tags are passive devices. They have a read range of about 10cm from
a shoe-sized antenna upto about 90cm at most from a door-sized antenna. Your
chances of reading one of these from a hidden roadside antenna when the car is
going 80km/h are almost zero.
 
R

Rich Grise

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:23:09 -0700, Android top-posted:

First, don't top-post. It upsets the natural flow of the thread.
Dear posters,

You all seem to assume that I live in a "civilised" country, like the
US, where restraining orders, etc. have meaning. That is not the case.
I live in Indonesia. Most of your comments become invalid when you take
into account the different culture and laws here. Sometimes it's like
the wild west here: people solve problems by forming a mob and burning
your house down. It's sad, but true. In this event, I somehow doubt a
CCTV camera would do me much good.

Paranoid? A survivalist? I don't think so. I certainy don't want to
live in a bunker surrounded by guard dogs, etc., but it seems prudent
to think about getting some sort of warning after having my life and
property threatened.

Well, if you can get all of those threatening people to wear RFID tags
all of the time, then you're home free, right?

Are you sure you're not joking? ?:-/

And sticking tags surreptitiously on other people's property makes you
no better than the intruders.

Just get some Passive Infrared (PIR) sensors - they're available in the
US for about 5 or 10 bucks; I can't imagine they're not on the
international market.

Or, just quit pissing everybody off.

Good Luck!
Rich
 
J

joseph2k

Hi,
I am not an electronics expert by any means but I have an idea which
might work and wondered what you all thought of it.

My problem is that I have been threatened by various people for various
reasons. We don't need to go into the whole story right now. Suffice to
say, I have reason to fear certain individuals (whose barks are
probably worse than their bites) and have been thinking of ways to
protect myself, my family and my property from them.
What do you reckon? Is this feasible? Does anyone have any advice about
how to implement it in practice? I'd really appreciate your thoughts,
ideas, suggestions and recommendations.

What have you done to piss off so many neighbors so badly?
In this case many dogs may be a better answer.
 
M

Michael A. Terrell

Android said:
Dear posters,

You all seem to assume that I live in a "civilised" country, like the
US, where restraining orders, etc. have meaning. That is not the case.
I live in Indonesia. Most of your comments become invalid when you take
into account the different culture and laws here. Sometimes it's like
the wild west here: people solve problems by forming a mob and burning
your house down. It's sad, but true. In this event, I somehow doubt a
CCTV camera would do me much good.

Paranoid? A survivalist? I don't think so. I certainy don't want to
live in a bunker surrounded by guard dogs, etc., but it seems prudent
to think about getting some sort of warning after having my life and
property threatened.

Am I nuts? According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID)
"The lowest cost EPC RFID tags, which are standard chosen by Wal-Mart,
DOD, Target, Tesco in the UK and Metro AG in Germany, are available
today at a price of 5 cents each". So why is US$5 so crazy?

Of course my idea would fail if someone removed the tag (assuming they
found it and knew what it was), or used a different car - but, once
again, you are being US-centric. Can you imagine that there are
countries where people don't have more than one car?


I suggested the survialist group because they have seem to a knack of
developing good home security, and living.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
A

Android

Thanks Tom, that's about the only sensible and to-the-point answer I've
received from what seems to be a group dominated by juveniles.

As you guessed, the police in Indonesia are not particularly interested
in radio frequency misdemeaners, so you're wildlife tracker suggestion
seems spot on and I'll certainly look into it.

When I mentioned the 5 cent trackers, I was just using them as a quick
example of the sort of cost that I guessed could be achieved. Maybe you
didn't notice, but I multiplied that figure by 100 to take into account
the fact that I would probably need something a bit more sophisticated
- like active tags. I don't see why that makes me nuts.

Not that I need to justify myself but, for the benefit of the posters
who, instead of admitting they were wrong about me and apologising, are
now seeking to blame me for pissing people off, here's a few examples
of why certain individuals have threatened me and/or my property:
1) Because, in his opinion, I didn't employ enough local staff on my
building project. This guy turned up at 4am one day armed with a
speargun.
2) Because, after saying I'd think about it, I decided not to buy his
car. This guy has not only threatened me, but also my wife.
3) Because my wife asked him not to park his motorbike inside our
grounds.
4) Because I didn't repair a nearby streetlight.
5) Because I am refusing to pay someone the final payment on some
building work that was 400% late. This guy has some seriously bad
family connections.

So, what now posters? Can you find another way to abuse me or are you
going to show some guts and admit you were wrong and spoke too quickly
with too little understanding of the situation?
 
A

Android

Please tell me you didn't actually take the time to sit there and
physically type those words. Tell me you cut and pasted them from
somewhere. I'd hate to think that someone has such a sad and pointless
life that they would choose to spend their time in such a futile way.
Plus, the amount of detail you went into was slightly scary. Did you
really need to specify that I use a *centerfire* rifle cartridge? Or a
*Barrett* sniper rifle (complete with url)? Sounds like you could be a
little obsessed...
 
J

John Woodgate

In message <[email protected]>,
dated Mon said:
So, what now posters? Can you find another way to abuse me or are you
going to show some guts and admit you were wrong and spoke too quickly
with too little understanding of the situation?

I didn't contribute to this thread before. The bad situation arose
because people assumed you were in USA, and commented accordingly about
the right way to solve your problem in THAT country.

It wasn't until several responses had been received that you disclosed
that you are in Indonesia, which obviously changes the picture
completely.
 
A

Android

You still don't get it, do you?

First of all you *assumed* I was being paranoid about "the boogeyman
behind that tree".

Now, you *assume* I am at fault by "pissing everybody off.".

Why do you keep making assumptions? Don't you know it makes it makes
you look stupid and narrow-minded?

And why do you keep resorting to childish and tedious "straw-man"
tactics to try and score a cheap laugh at my expense?

Tell you what, you grow up and I'll do my best to avoid upsetting the
"natural order of the thread". Deal?
 
A

Android

That's right, they *assumed* I was in the USA - but they didn't merely
comment about the right way to solve my problem in that country, they
took the opportunity to turn on me like a bunch of playground bullies.
I think that reflects rather badly on them and I'm not surprised to see
that no-one has said anything to admit they were wrong or to apologise.
On the contrary, they are now seeking to blame me for "pissing everyone
off" and, pathetically, for "top-posting". How sad is that?

All I wanted to do was to pose an interesting intellectual proposition
to what I thought was a group of people knowledgeable about
electronics. I guess I made my own assumption: that such a group would
be populated by adult-minded people with a scientific outlook. I'm sure
there are plenty like that out there, but my impression is that I just
walked into a kindergarten.

Incidentally, I am quite busy with other things (digging man-traps,
etc.), so I don't get to check my posts, etc. every day. That's why I
didn't respond sooner. I suppose they'll blame me for that too.
From now on, I'll always precede my posts with the words "I don't live
in the US. I live in another country. Yes, they really do exist and
some things are different there so please don't jump to conclusions
about me based on your pre-conceived ideas because you could end up
looking extremely stupid".
 
D

David Brown

Android said:
That's right, they *assumed* I was in the USA - but they didn't merely
comment about the right way to solve my problem in that country, they
took the opportunity to turn on me like a bunch of playground bullies.
I think that reflects rather badly on them and I'm not surprised to see
that no-one has said anything to admit they were wrong or to apologise.
On the contrary, they are now seeking to blame me for "pissing everyone
off" and, pathetically, for "top-posting". How sad is that?

It's not an entirely unreasonable assumption to guess that you are
posting from the USA. The majority of posters here are from either the
USA, or from other western countries (such as Europe, Canada and
Australasia). There are a small proportion from other parts of the
world, and these are often easily recognized by their language (after
all, English is often their third or fourth language). In most threads,
the country of origin does not matter - and when it does matter, people
state the country unless they are American (I wonder if they are ashamed
or just arrogant). So when someone posts in good clear English,
describing a violent and uncivilized situation, we naturally assume you
are in the USA.
All I wanted to do was to pose an interesting intellectual proposition
to what I thought was a group of people knowledgeable about
electronics. I guess I made my own assumption: that such a group would
be populated by adult-minded people with a scientific outlook. I'm sure
there are plenty like that out there, but my impression is that I just
walked into a kindergarten.

You failed to give essential information, you are asking for something
close to impossible, you clearly don't have the knowledge, ability and
finances to do what you ask for, you are suggesting things that many
here feel are ethically or morally wrong (never mind illegal in most of
the world), and you are almost certainly going about things the wrong
way (at least under the assumption that you are in the USA). What sort
of answers did you expect? If you had asked how to set up a phone tap
on your neighbour - something that several in this newsgroup probably
know how to do - do think they would tell you?

Add to that, many view this particular newsgroup as entertainment as
well as for serious professional discussions. The same people will give
solid expert electronics advice on one thread, and engage in
kindergarten name-calling in another. I think some people assumed this
was a non-serious off-topic thread.
 
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