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krw
It is the same thing. Have you ever even seen a UID?
I see your neuron is lonely again, on a Friday night.
It is the same thing. Have you ever even seen a UID?
I see your neuron is lonely again, on a Friday night.
Rich. said:Actually, by code you can have 6 phase conductors, 3 neutrals, and use
the EMT as your ground, giving you 6 circuits instead of just 4.
I would like to know where you have 6 phase service?Rich. said:Actually, by code you can have 6 phase conductors, 3 neutrals, and use
the EMT as your ground, giving you 6 circuits instead of just 4.
A grounding conductor is not a ground source.Jamie said:I would like to know where you have 6 phase service?
I won't go into the use of EMT as a ground source.
Yes, on the solid run, but not after any couplings, connectors etc..Doug said:Rich. wrote:
I would like to know where you have 6 phase service?
He didn't say that. The context makes it very clear that by "phase conductors"
he means what the NEC refers to as "ungrounded conductors", or, in the
vernacular, "hot wires".
I won't go into the use of EMT as a ground source.
EMT is explicitly permitted by the NEC as an equipment grounding conductor.
[2008 National Electrical Code, Article 250.118(4)]
ATP* said:A grounding conductor is not a ground source.
Doug Miller said:Physician, heal thyself.
"Ground source" (a term not used by the NEC) and "equipment grounding
conductor" are *not* the same thing, your confusion of the two
notwithstanding.
Jamie said:I think some people that call them self a electrician should
take a good long look in the mirror.
And licensing has nothing to do with what you actually know about
the field. We've had licensed electricians walk in our facility looking
for job and after the interview, I can understand why they are not
employed.
I would say with the majority I have seen here, they wouldn't be getting
a job at our facility, not even a fuse puller..
Really,. there is so much illegal and dangerous drivel taking place
on this subject, it's unbelievable.
Doug said:Doug Miller wrote:
I won't go into the use of EMT as a ground source.
EMT is explicitly permitted by the NEC as an equipment grounding conductor.
[2008 National Electrical Code, Article 250.118(4)]
Yes, on the solid run, but not after any couplings, connectors etc..
Not true. The NEC requires bonding only "where necessary to ensure electrical
continuity."
A Greed Wire is to be inserted in the pipe to insure a real grounding
system and each box is to be connected to this ground.
Really? Where in the Code is this supposed requirement found?
You can not use EMT or the like for a grounding source directly,
Nobody ever said that you could.
it
has to have a ground wire in it and the attached equipment in the
circuit also connects to this same ground.
True, but completely irrelevant. We were talking about using EMT as an
equipment grounding conductor -- which is explicitly permitted by the Code --
not using it as part of the grounding electrode system.
As for the article you popped up, I think you'll find it proteins to
the use of EMT as a grounding buss point,
Wrong.
"The equipment grounding conductor run with or enclosing the circuit
conductors shall be one or more of a combination of the following: ...
1) [Cu or Al wire]
2) Rigid metal conduit
3) Intermediate metal conduit
4) Electrical metallic tubing
.."
[2008 NEC, Article 250.118]
meaning, several grounds can
come off this point using ground clamps from a single run with no
couplings how ever, a main ground source must be bonded to this pipe.
Maybe you ought to actually read what the Code says, instead of making stuff
up.
If you truly believe otherwise, then you are practicing very dangerous
habits.
The NFPA (publishers of the NEC) apparently don't think it's dangerous to use
EMT as an equipment grounding conductor. If you believe it is, you're of
course welcome to make your objections known to them, and try to persuade them
to change their minds.
In the meantime, I'll continue to install wiring in compliance with the actual
provisions of the Code, and pay no attention to the unsubstantiated claims of
people who clearly do not know what the Code permits or prohibits.
Haven't you ever heard of galvanetic issues with EMT hardware?
Of course -- and that's why there are places where the Code prohibits its use.
I work in a manufactory facility where we still have a lot of older
machines using the access boxes as the ground sources for attached
equipment with no internal ground wire feed from the main buss. I can
say in the time that I have been there, we have seen several fires from
lose EMT hardware connections
If the EMT connections were actually loose enough to arc, that means they were
improperly installed.
Considering your ignorance of the Code, though, I think it's reasonable to
question your qualifications to determine the cause of either the arcs or the
fires.
causing arcs because the attached
equipment was having ground issues.
The problem obviously is the "ground issues" on the equipment, compounded by
improper installation of the EMT -- not the EMT itself.
With dust,oil and paint that has been apply to these machines, it
makes a nice catalysis for a fire.
Most of the time if your lucky, the lose connects will weld them
self's long enough to force the protection to initiate.
You probably ought to find a job at a place that hires _qualified_
electricians.
Sorry, we have workers that are far above you.
You would never pass the interview let alone pass a electrical
code inspection visit.
No one who actually knows the code would pass an interview if you areJamie said:Doug said:Jamie said:Doug Miller wrote:
I won't go into the use of EMT as a ground source.
EMT is explicitly permitted by the NEC as an equipment grounding
conductor. [2008 National Electrical Code, Article 250.118(4)]
Yes, on the solid run, but not after any couplings, connectors etc..
Not true. The NEC requires bonding only "where necessary to ensure
electrical continuity."
A Greed Wire is to be inserted in the pipe to insure a real grounding
system and each box is to be connected to this ground.
Really? Where in the Code is this supposed requirement found?
You can not use EMT or the like for a grounding source directly,
Nobody ever said that you could.
it has to have a ground wire in it and the attached equipment in the
circuit also connects to this same ground.
True, but completely irrelevant. We were talking about using EMT as an
equipment grounding conductor -- which is explicitly permitted by the
Code --
not using it as part of the grounding electrode system.
As for the article you popped up, I think you'll find it proteins to
the use of EMT as a grounding buss point,
Wrong. "The equipment grounding conductor run with or enclosing the
circuit conductors shall be one or more of a combination of the
following: ...
1) [Cu or Al wire]
2) Rigid metal conduit
3) Intermediate metal conduit
4) Electrical metallic tubing
.."
[2008 NEC, Article 250.118]
meaning, several grounds can come off this point using ground clamps from
a single run with no couplings how ever, a main ground source must be
bonded to this pipe.
Maybe you ought to actually read what the Code says, instead of making
stuff up.
If you truly believe otherwise, then you are practicing very dangerous
habits.
The NFPA (publishers of the NEC) apparently don't think it's dangerous to
use EMT as an equipment grounding conductor. If you believe it is, you're
of course welcome to make your objections known to them, and try to
persuade them to change their minds.
In the meantime, I'll continue to install wiring in compliance with the
actual provisions of the Code, and pay no attention to the
unsubstantiated claims of people who clearly do not know what the Code
permits or prohibits.
Haven't you ever heard of galvanetic issues with EMT hardware?
Of course -- and that's why there are places where the Code prohibits its
use.
I work in a manufactory facility where we still have a lot of older
machines using the access boxes as the ground sources for attached
equipment with no internal ground wire feed from the main buss. I can say
in the time that I have been there, we have seen several fires from lose
EMT hardware connections
If the EMT connections were actually loose enough to arc, that means they
were improperly installed.
Considering your ignorance of the Code, though, I think it's reasonable
to question your qualifications to determine the cause of either the arcs
or the fires.
causing arcs because the attached equipment was having ground issues.
The problem obviously is the "ground issues" on the equipment, compounded
by improper installation of the EMT -- not the EMT itself.
With dust,oil and paint that has been apply to these machines, it makes
a nice catalysis for a fire.
Most of the time if your lucky, the lose connects will weld them
self's long enough to force the protection to initiate.
You probably ought to find a job at a place that hires _qualified_
electricians.
Sorry, we have workers that are far above you.
You would never pass the interview let alone pass a electrical
code inspection visit.
I'm not confused.Doug said:Physician, heal thyself.
"Ground source" (a term not used by the NEC) and "equipment grounding
conductor" are *not* the same thing, your confusion of the two
notwithstanding.
Rich. said:I see it too, but I would like to hear what your observations are.
Doug said:Doug Miller wrote:
Well, then, when the discussion was using EMT as an equipment grounding
conductor, why did you say something about using it as a "ground source"?
Fine -- explain exactly what it was that I failed to understand.
ROTFLMAO! How will using an equipment grounding conductor that is _explicitly
permitted_ by the Code, cause me to fail an inspection?
You go have a good time with your imaginary friends, y'hear?
Oh really, have you got a surprise coming.
I will now put you on the ignore list since it appears that you're
incompetent and not worth my time.
Doug said:Yes, on the solid run, but not after any couplings, connectors etc..I won't go into the use of EMT as a ground source.
EMT is explicitly permitted by the NEC as an equipment grounding conductor.
[2008 National Electrical Code, Article 250.118(4)]
Not true. The NEC requires bonding only "where necessary to ensure electrical
continuity."
A Greed Wire is to be inserted in the pipe to insure a real grounding
system and each box is to be connected to this ground.
Really? Where in the Code is this supposed requirement found?You can not use EMT or the like for a grounding source directly,
Nobody ever said that you could.
it
has to have a ground wire in it and the attached equipment in the
circuit also connects to this same ground.
True, but completely irrelevant. We were talking about using EMT as an
equipment grounding conductor -- which is explicitly permitted by the Code --
not using it as part of the grounding electrode system.As for the article you popped up, I think you'll find it proteins to
the use of EMT as a grounding buss point,
Wrong.
"The equipment grounding conductor run with or enclosing the circuit
conductors shall be one or more of a combination of the following: ...
1) [Cu or Al wire]
2) Rigid metal conduit
3) Intermediate metal conduit
4) Electrical metallic tubing
.."
[2008 NEC, Article 250.118]
meaning, several grounds can
come off this point using ground clamps from a single run with no
couplings how ever, a main ground source must be bonded to this pipe.
Maybe you ought to actually read what the Code says, instead of making stuff
up.If you truly believe otherwise, then you are practicing very dangerous
habits.
The NFPA (publishers of the NEC) apparently don't think it's dangerous to use
EMT as an equipment grounding conductor. If you believe it is, you're of
course welcome to make your objections known to them, and try to persuade them
to change their minds.
In the meantime, I'll continue to install wiring in compliance with the actual
provisions of the Code, and pay no attention to the unsubstantiated claims of
people who clearly do not know what the Code permits or prohibits.Haven't you ever heard of galvanetic issues with EMT hardware?
Of course -- and that's why there are places where the Code prohibits its use.I work in a manufactory facility where we still have a lot of older
machines using the access boxes as the ground sources for attached
equipment with no internal ground wire feed from the main buss. I can
say in the time that I have been there, we have seen several fires from
lose EMT hardware connections
If the EMT connections were actually loose enough to arc, that means they were
improperly installed.
Considering your ignorance of the Code, though, I think it's reasonable to
question your qualifications to determine the cause of either the arcs or the
fires.
causing arcs because the attached
equipment was having ground issues.
The problem obviously is the "ground issues" on the equipment, compounded by
improper installation of the EMT -- not the EMT itself.With dust,oil and paint that has been apply to these machines, it
makes a nice catalysis for a fire.
Most of the time if your lucky, the lose connects will weld them
self's long enough to force the protection to initiate.
You probably ought to find a job at a place that hires _qualified_
electricians.
EMT may be ALLOWED by code, but It is still not to be RECOMMENDED as
an equipment ground..
You can use it, but I would not.
Your spell checker's no smarter than you are when it comes toWell, first of all, I see that many see the field as just a laboring
job and give little regard as to why some of the rules they follow
even exist. They tend to take short cuts over their careers and end up
doing sloppy dangerous work. When the inspectors tag then, they think
they're getting picked on.
A good electrician will be able to fully understand every article
published in the book and the reason why its there. This is where many
fall short, they don't understand what they're reading and just do it
any ways, well, that can lead to forgetting to do it one day or deciding
it's not important any more and start inventing some of their own rules.
I'll give you an example:
On an interview test, we have a question about installing outlets
at a kitchen counter area for the use of things like electric fry pans,
crock pots etc.. The main part of the question is "Where do you think
the best place would be to install outlets for these appliances at the
counter"
You would be surprised at how many get that wrong, of course in many
cases people would love to have them at the counters edge so that one
could simply drop the cord just over the edge to an under eve outlet how
ever, that is illegal and made that way because of to many child
accidents from little ones pulling on cords of live appliances. Just
think of a crock pot with hot grease in it dumping over a child's head.
It did happen once, it killed the child, that is why that rule has
been in the books for years.
THe problem here is, the NEC book does not give a lot of example
reasons why the rules are there and there for, people decide to use what
ever they understand.
I good electrician will think beyond the book and visually be able to
place scenarios of accidents taking place from not following these
rules. He also understands the real theory of how electricity works and
the reasons why many things are practiced, using correct terminology is
also very important when working with other skilled Electricians. You
can not be using incorrect language in this field where some one else
may pick up where you left off and do something dangerous all because
two or more electricians didn't understand the true meaning of the
terminology in use.. That's a another big problem we've seen in the
coarse of electricians.
This is a major problem of comprehension of following the rules that
were put there for a reason.
You don't need to be license to know this, I've found on the average
that license electricians are the worse offenders after they get a few
hours under their wing.. Many of them never really fully understand,
all they do is pull wire, and connect the dots!
It's shad but true..
Doug Miller wrote:
I won't go into the use of EMT as a ground source.
EMT is explicitly permitted by the NEC as an equipment grounding conductor.
[2008 National Electrical Code, Article 250.118(4)]
Yes, on the solid run, but not after any couplings, connectors etc..
Not true. The NEC requires bonding only "where necessary to ensure electrical
continuity."
A Greed Wire is to be inserted in the pipe to insure a real grounding
system and each box is to be connected to this ground.
Really? Where in the Code is this supposed requirement found?You can not use EMT or the like for a grounding source directly,
Nobody ever said that you could.
it
has to have a ground wire in it and the attached equipment in the
circuit also connects to this same ground.
True, but completely irrelevant. We were talking about using EMT as an
equipment grounding conductor -- which is explicitly permitted by the Code --
not using it as part of the grounding electrode system.As for the article you popped up, I think you'll find it proteins to
the use of EMT as a grounding buss point,
Wrong.
"The equipment grounding conductor run with or enclosing the circuit
conductors shall be one or more of a combination of the following: ...
1) [Cu or Al wire]
2) Rigid metal conduit
3) Intermediate metal conduit
4) Electrical metallic tubing
.."
[2008 NEC, Article 250.118]
meaning, several grounds can
come off this point using ground clamps from a single run with no
couplings how ever, a main ground source must be bonded to this pipe.
Maybe you ought to actually read what the Code says, instead of making stuff
up.If you truly believe otherwise, then you are practicing very dangerous
habits.
The NFPA (publishers of the NEC) apparently don't think it's dangerous to use
EMT as an equipment grounding conductor. If you believe it is, you're of
course welcome to make your objections known to them, and try to persuade them
to change their minds.
In the meantime, I'll continue to install wiring in compliance with the actual
provisions of the Code, and pay no attention to the unsubstantiated claims of
people who clearly do not know what the Code permits or prohibits.Haven't you ever heard of galvanetic issues with EMT hardware?
Of course -- and that's why there are places where the Code prohibits its use.I work in a manufactory facility where we still have a lot of older
machines using the access boxes as the ground sources for attached
equipment with no internal ground wire feed from the main buss. I can
say in the time that I have been there, we have seen several fires from
lose EMT hardware connections
If the EMT connections were actually loose enough to arc, that means they were
improperly installed.
Considering your ignorance of the Code, though, I think it's reasonable to
question your qualifications to determine the cause of either the arcs or the
fires.
causing arcs because the attached
equipment was having ground issues.
The problem obviously is the "ground issues" on the equipment, compounded by
improper installation of the EMT -- not the EMT itself.With dust,oil and paint that has been apply to these machines, it
makes a nice catalysis for a fire.
Most of the time if your lucky, the lose connects will weld them
self's long enough to force the protection to initiate.
You probably ought to find a job at a place that hires _qualified_
electricians.
EMT may be ALLOWED by code, but It is still not to be RECOMMENDED as
an equipment ground..
You can use it, but I would not.
krw said:Doug Miller wrote:
I won't go into the use of EMT as a ground source.
EMT is explicitly permitted by the NEC as an equipment grounding conductor.
[2008 National Electrical Code, Article 250.118(4)]
Yes, on the solid run, but not after any couplings, connectors etc..
Not true. The NEC requires bonding only "where necessary to ensure electrical
continuity."
A Greed Wire is to be inserted in the pipe to insure a real grounding
system and each box is to be connected to this ground.
Really? Where in the Code is this supposed requirement found?
You can not use EMT or the like for a grounding source directly,
Nobody ever said that you could.
it
has to have a ground wire in it and the attached equipment in the
circuit also connects to this same ground.
True, but completely irrelevant. We were talking about using EMT as an
equipment grounding conductor -- which is explicitly permitted by the Code --
not using it as part of the grounding electrode system.
As for the article you popped up, I think you'll find it proteins to
the use of EMT as a grounding buss point,
Wrong.
"The equipment grounding conductor run with or enclosing the circuit
conductors shall be one or more of a combination of the following: ...
1) [Cu or Al wire]
2) Rigid metal conduit
3) Intermediate metal conduit
4) Electrical metallic tubing
.."
[2008 NEC, Article 250.118]
meaning, several grounds can
come off this point using ground clamps from a single run with no
couplings how ever, a main ground source must be bonded to this pipe.
Maybe you ought to actually read what the Code says, instead of making stuff
up.
If you truly believe otherwise, then you are practicing very dangerous
habits.
The NFPA (publishers of the NEC) apparently don't think it's dangerous to use
EMT as an equipment grounding conductor. If you believe it is, you're of
course welcome to make your objections known to them, and try to persuade them
to change their minds.
In the meantime, I'll continue to install wiring in compliance with the actual
provisions of the Code, and pay no attention to the unsubstantiated claims of
people who clearly do not know what the Code permits or prohibits.
Haven't you ever heard of galvanetic issues with EMT hardware?
Of course -- and that's why there are places where the Code prohibits its use.
I work in a manufactory facility where we still have a lot of older
machines using the access boxes as the ground sources for attached
equipment with no internal ground wire feed from the main buss. I can
say in the time that I have been there, we have seen several fires from
lose EMT hardware connections
If the EMT connections were actually loose enough to arc, that means they were
improperly installed.
Considering your ignorance of the Code, though, I think it's reasonable to
question your qualifications to determine the cause of either the arcs or the
fires.
causing arcs because the attached
equipment was having ground issues.
The problem obviously is the "ground issues" on the equipment, compounded by
improper installation of the EMT -- not the EMT itself.
With dust,oil and paint that has been apply to these machines, it
makes a nice catalysis for a fire.
Most of the time if your lucky, the lose connects will weld them
self's long enough to force the protection to initiate.
You probably ought to find a job at a place that hires _qualified_
electricians.
EMT may be ALLOWED by code, but It is still not to be RECOMMENDED as
an equipment ground..
You can use it, but I would not.
That may easily be, but the dimwitted "Jamie" is claiming that it's
against code.
krw said:Doug Miller wrote:
I won't go into the use of EMT as a ground source.
EMT is explicitly permitted by the NEC as an equipment grounding conductor.
[2008 National Electrical Code, Article 250.118(4)]
Yes, on the solid run, but not after any couplings, connectors etc..
Not true. The NEC requires bonding only "where necessary to ensure electrical
continuity."
A Greed Wire is to be inserted in the pipe to insure a real grounding
system and each box is to be connected to this ground.
Really? Where in the Code is this supposed requirement found?
You can not use EMT or the like for a grounding source directly,
Nobody ever said that you could.
it
has to have a ground wire in it and the attached equipment in the
circuit also connects to this same ground.
True, but completely irrelevant. We were talking about using EMT as an
equipment grounding conductor -- which is explicitly permitted by the Code --
not using it as part of the grounding electrode system.
As for the article you popped up, I think you'll find it proteins to
the use of EMT as a grounding buss point,
Wrong.
"The equipment grounding conductor run with or enclosing the circuit
conductors shall be one or more of a combination of the following: ...
1) [Cu or Al wire]
2) Rigid metal conduit
3) Intermediate metal conduit
4) Electrical metallic tubing
.."
[2008 NEC, Article 250.118]
meaning, several grounds can
come off this point using ground clamps from a single run with no
couplings how ever, a main ground source must be bonded to this pipe.
Maybe you ought to actually read what the Code says, instead of making stuff
up.
If you truly believe otherwise, then you are practicing very dangerous
habits.
The NFPA (publishers of the NEC) apparently don't think it's dangerous to use
EMT as an equipment grounding conductor. If you believe it is, you're of
course welcome to make your objections known to them, and try to persuade them
to change their minds.
In the meantime, I'll continue to install wiring in compliance with the actual
provisions of the Code, and pay no attention to the unsubstantiated claims of
people who clearly do not know what the Code permits or prohibits.
Haven't you ever heard of galvanetic issues with EMT hardware?
Of course -- and that's why there are places where the Code prohibits its use.
I work in a manufactory facility where we still have a lot of older
machines using the access boxes as the ground sources for attached
equipment with no internal ground wire feed from the main buss. I can
say in the time that I have been there, we have seen several fires from
lose EMT hardware connections
If the EMT connections were actually loose enough to arc, that means they were
improperly installed.
Considering your ignorance of the Code, though, I think it's reasonable to
question your qualifications to determine the cause of either the arcs or the
fires.
causing arcs because the attached
equipment was having ground issues.
The problem obviously is the "ground issues" on the equipment, compounded by
improper installation of the EMT -- not the EMT itself.
With dust,oil and paint that has been apply to these machines, it
makes a nice catalysis for a fire.
Most of the time if your lucky, the lose connects will weld them
self's long enough to force the protection to initiate.
You probably ought to find a job at a place that hires _qualified_
electricians.
EMT may be ALLOWED by code, but It is still not to be RECOMMENDED as
an equipment ground..
You can use it, but I would not.
That may easily be, but the dimwitted "Jamie" is claiming that it's
against code.
You're about ignorant as they come.
I hope for the sake of others, you never got involved in projects
that actually involved human contact or any one in the perimeter of your
handy work!.
Seeing that you can not interpret, correctly, what is in the NEC book,
leads me to the conclusion that you may not be fit or was ever fit to be
a member of projects that involved safety with logic and
responsibility in mind.
Yes, I know your kind, make a shit load of mistakes and make sure
there are plenty below you to take the rap for your errors.
You do know that those below only see nothing but assholes when they
look up, well, I'm looking up now and guess what I see?
You may be enjoying your self shitting on those below you, but in the
end, it's you that actually isn't looking or smelling to good.
You give others that make a difference a bad image.
personally, I haven't really seen much out of you that gives me any
indication of you being very intelligent.
Take it for what's worth, it's just my observation.
krw said:Doug Miller wrote:
I won't go into the use of EMT as a ground source.
EMT is explicitly permitted by the NEC as an equipment grounding conductor.
[2008 National Electrical Code, Article 250.118(4)]
Yes, on the solid run, but not after any couplings, connectors etc..
Not true. The NEC requires bonding only "where necessary to ensure electrical
continuity."
A Greed Wire is to be inserted in the pipe to insure a real grounding
system and each box is to be connected to this ground.
Really? Where in the Code is this supposed requirement found?
You can not use EMT or the like for a grounding source directly,
Nobody ever said that you could.
it
has to have a ground wire in it and the attached equipment in the
circuit also connects to this same ground.
True, but completely irrelevant. We were talking about using EMT as an
equipment grounding conductor -- which is explicitly permitted by the Code --
not using it as part of the grounding electrode system.
As for the article you popped up, I think you'll find it proteins to
the use of EMT as a grounding buss point,
Wrong.
"The equipment grounding conductor run with or enclosing the circuit
conductors shall be one or more of a combination of the following: ...
1) [Cu or Al wire]
2) Rigid metal conduit
3) Intermediate metal conduit
4) Electrical metallic tubing
.."
[2008 NEC, Article 250.118]
meaning, several grounds can
come off this point using ground clamps from a single run with no
couplings how ever, a main ground source must be bonded to this pipe.
Maybe you ought to actually read what the Code says, instead of making stuff
up.
If you truly believe otherwise, then you are practicing very dangerous
habits.
The NFPA (publishers of the NEC) apparently don't think it's dangerous to use
EMT as an equipment grounding conductor. If you believe it is, you're of
course welcome to make your objections known to them, and try to persuade them
to change their minds.
In the meantime, I'll continue to install wiring in compliance with the actual
provisions of the Code, and pay no attention to the unsubstantiated claims of
people who clearly do not know what the Code permits or prohibits.
Haven't you ever heard of galvanetic issues with EMT hardware?
Of course -- and that's why there are places where the Code prohibits its use.
I work in a manufactory facility where we still have a lot of older
machines using the access boxes as the ground sources for attached
equipment with no internal ground wire feed from the main buss. I can
say in the time that I have been there, we have seen several fires from
lose EMT hardware connections
If the EMT connections were actually loose enough to arc, that means they were
improperly installed.
Considering your ignorance of the Code, though, I think it's reasonable to
question your qualifications to determine the cause of either the arcs or the
fires.
causing arcs because the attached
equipment was having ground issues.
The problem obviously is the "ground issues" on the equipment, compounded by
improper installation of the EMT -- not the EMT itself.
With dust,oil and paint that has been apply to these machines, it
makes a nice catalysis for a fire.
Most of the time if your lucky, the lose connects will weld them
self's long enough to force the protection to initiate.
You probably ought to find a job at a place that hires _qualified_
electricians.
EMT may be ALLOWED by code, but It is still not to be RECOMMENDED as
an equipment ground..
You can use it, but I would not.
That may easily be, but the dimwitted "Jamie" is claiming that it's
against code.
You're about ignorant as they come.
I hope for the sake of others, you never got involved in projects
that actually involved human contact or any one in the perimeter of your
handy work!.
Seeing that you can not interpret, correctly, what is in the NEC book,
leads me to the conclusion that you may not be fit or was ever fit to be
a member of projects that involved safety with logic and
responsibility in mind.
Yes, I know your kind, make a shit load of mistakes and make sure
there are plenty below you to take the rap for your errors.
You do know that those below only see nothing but assholes when they
look up, well, I'm looking up now and guess what I see?
You may be enjoying your self shitting on those below you, but in the
end, it's you that actually isn't looking or smelling to good.
You give others that make a difference a bad image.
personally, I haven't really seen much out of you that gives me any
indication of you being very intelligent.
Take it for what's worth, it's just my observation.