Re: Liability & responsibility of electrician?

[krw]

Yes, they do. The 'run' (read process, idiot) a program. That IS
processing.

Playing a recording is not "processing", DimBulb.

 

[krw]

krw Inscribed thus:


Don't forget the fairground organs ! They work on the same punched card
system.

Never watched one.

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt]

Playing a recording is not "processing", DimBulb.

If it interprets instructions and performs tasks and functions based on
those instructions, that is a program, and the operation of the machine
while executing it, regardless of any simplificatio0n a little retarded
twit like you comes up with, IS PROCESSING. It matters not where the
instructions are derived or 'read' from, nor what they get 'read' into.

Even early CNC machines that had no computer whatsoever in them
PROCESSED the program instructions, you total retard.

You lose, again... as usual.

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt]

Never watched one.

Wouldn't matter. You have misinterpreted much of industrial life
already, so you wouldn't 'get it' even if you did see it.

 

[Rich.]

I don't have to. It's clear that you can't back up your assertion
that *every* jurisdiction requires licensed electricians, which is
clearly laughable.

I've already posted several links within this thread to show that licenses
are required by law. To date you have posted none, nada, zilch, zip to show
any one place in this country where a license is not required to do
electrical work.

 

[[email protected]]

Depends on your definition of binary. Certainly paper tape and octal
computers (DECs) worked. OTOH, I can't think of an instance of an
analog CNC machine.

Notice no comma between binary and digital - so "binary digital", not
"binary", or "digital"

Analog CNC could be done with "voice coil" actuators with servo
feedback. MUCH faster than servo-motor devices for low-power
applications - which is why they have replaced servo motors for
disk-drive head positioners and lazer focusing etc.

Bet the lazer focussing on a CNC laser cutter has been done "analog"
by someone somewhere.

 

[krw]

I've already posted several links within this thread to show that licenses
are required by law. To date you have posted none, nada, zilch, zip to show
any one place in this country where a license is not required to do
electrical work.

I have never doubted that licensing is *sometimes* required. You have
shown a couple of examples where it is. That is all.

 

[[email protected]]

krw Inscribed thus:


Don't forget the fairground organs ! They work on the same punched card
system.

Player Pianos too.

 

[krw]

If it interprets instructions and performs tasks and functions based on
those instructions, that is a program, and the operation of the machine
while executing it, regardless of any simplificatio0n a little retarded
twit like you comes up with, IS PROCESSING. It matters not where the
instructions are derived or 'read' from, nor what they get 'read' into.

Go back to sleep, AlwaysWrong.

Even early CNC machines that had no computer whatsoever in them
PROCESSED the program instructions, you total retard.

We all know you're illiterate, DimBulb. You don't have to prove it
every day.

You lose, again... as usual.

Wrong again, AlwaysWrong.

 

[krw]

Wouldn't matter. You have misinterpreted much of industrial life
already, so you wouldn't 'get it' even if you did see it.

Your life consists of raiding your mommy's hamper for her
unmentionables. That's a close as you'll ever get.

 

[jk]

Depends on your definition of binary. Certainly paper tape and octal
computers (DECs) worked. OTOH, I can't think of an instance of an
analog CNC machine.

Of COURSE you can't. By definition the C and the N sort of preclude
that. Unless you are willing to call what we USED to call "analog
computers" computers these days. BUt then almost any servo amp IS
one of those.
Regardless the N in CNC still precludes it.

jk

 

[Rich.]

Uh, on private property where the owner wants to do his own work, or have
someone do it? I am having several things installed right now as we
speak. Ceiling fans on the patio, three motion lights, four multigang
outlets. All in conduit, and all would pass an inspection, and the local
small town inspector even is a friend of mine who dines with us about six
times a year, and sees all the new work. The work is being done by a good
friend of the inspector, although not a licensed electrician. As a
backup, I do have a 37 year union electrician who does look at things (or
does the work when he comes to visit), and he'll be here this weekend to
go bass fishing, and will be able to look at everything, as it is not
covered and finished yet.

Upon sale, copies of permits may be requested by anal buyers, but few can
be provided. Unless the job was just absolutely sloppy, most work is
passed as is. Or the house inspector team makes note of it. There is a
lot of sloppy work out there that is bought and sold in the real estate
market every day. And all was done without licenses.

You seem to think that there is some sort of electrical police that
enforce the rules to a T in every situation.

Which planet are you from?

Steve

Getting away with something is not the same as claiming it's legal to do. If
you had a friend that was a police officer and he saw you blow through a red
light and didn't give you a ticket, according to you it wasn't illegal. So
just because your local inspector friend is looking the other way, doesn't
mean what you're doing is legal. Yes, a homeowner can do the work in his own
single family home, I've already stated that. But at the same time, it is
only legal for him to do so if a homeowners permit is pulled and it is not
legal for anyone but the homeowner to do the work.

Tell me which state we're talking about here and I'll get you the
appropriate state statue that shows that your actions are illegal.

 

[Steve W.]

Getting away with something is not the same as claiming it's legal to
do. If you had a friend that was a police officer and he saw you blow
through a red light and didn't give you a ticket, according to you it
wasn't illegal. So just because your local inspector friend is looking
the other way, doesn't mean what you're doing is legal. Yes, a homeowner
can do the work in his own single family home, I've already stated that.
But at the same time, it is only legal for him to do so if a homeowners
permit is pulled and it is not legal for anyone but the homeowner to do
the work.

Tell me which state we're talking about here and I'll get you the
appropriate state statue that shows that your actions are illegal.

Except for asbestos abatement work, ALL construction work in New York is
regulated at the local level.
No state statute applies.

 

[Thomas]

I've already posted several links within this thread to show that
licenses are required by law. To date you have posted none, nada, zilch,
zip to show any one place in this country where a license is not
required to do electrical work.

Jasper County, South Carolina, USA.

I am not a licensed electrician.

I installed a 400A service in the house I am RENTING (so, therefore, I
am NOT the owner). I secured a permit as the local utility will not
connect to the meter until the go ahead from the building inspector is
given to it. This service was inspected by my county inspector and
passed with flying colors (he was very impressed with the TWO GEs
(grounding electrodes aka ground rods) I (properly) installed).

So the above is proof that one does not need to be licensed. (Albeit my
work was inspected by my local AHJ.)

Thomas

 

[Jim Stewart]

Jasper County, South Carolina, USA.

I am not a licensed electrician.

I installed a 400A service in the house I am RENTING (so, therefore, I
am NOT the owner). I secured a permit as the local utility will not
connect to the meter until the go ahead from the building inspector is
given to it. This service was inspected by my county inspector and
passed with flying colors (he was very impressed with the TWO GEs
(grounding electrodes aka ground rods) I (properly) installed).

So the above is proof that one does not need to be licensed. (Albeit my
work was inspected by my local AHJ.)

City of Davis, Yolo County, California.

I drew up plans, got them stamped and approved
by the city planning department, pulled 6-3 cable
from a 50 ampere breaker in the outside service
entrance panel to the garage where I installed a
subpanel, then installed lamps, 120 outlets and
240 outlets out of the subpanel. Before covering
anything, I called the city building inspector
and he came out, compared it to the drawing and
signed it all off. He said that I must have done
it myself because it was too neat for an electrician.

Disclaimer - I am not a licensed electrician, but
I can read the code and do neater work than one.

 

[[email protected]]

Uh, on private property where the owner wants to do his own work, or have
someone do it? I am having several things installed right now as we speak.
Ceiling fans on the patio, three motion lights, four multigang outlets. All
in conduit, and all would pass an inspection, and the local small town
inspector even is a friend of mine who dines with us about six times a year,
and sees all the new work. The work is being done by a good friend of the
inspector, although not a licensed electrician. As a backup, I do have a 37
year union electrician who does look at things (or does the work when he
comes to visit), and he'll be here this weekend to go bass fishing, and will
be able to look at everything, as it is not covered and finished yet.

Upon sale, copies of permits may be requested by anal buyers, but few can be
provided. Unless the job was just absolutely sloppy, most work is passed as
is. Or the house inspector team makes note of it. There is a lot of sloppy
work out there that is bought and sold in the real estate market every day.
And all was done without licenses.

You would be more accurate saying NOT all was done without licences.
I've seen a lot of sloppy work done by licenced tradesmen as well.
Also some VERY nice work done by unlicienced workers.

 

[Rich.]

Jasper County, South Carolina, USA.

I am not a licensed electrician.

I installed a 400A service in the house I am RENTING (so, therefore, I
am NOT the owner). I secured a permit as the local utility will not
connect to the meter until the go ahead from the building inspector is
given to it. This service was inspected by my county inspector and
passed with flying colors (he was very impressed with the TWO GEs
(grounding electrodes aka ground rods) I (properly) installed).

So the above is proof that one does not need to be licensed. (Albeit my
work was inspected by my local AHJ.)

Thomas

http://www.jaspercountysc.org/_fileUploads/UnlicensedResidentialBuildersDisclosureStatement.pdf
or:
http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=...sedResidentialBuildersDisclosureStatement.pdf

 

[krw]

You would be more accurate saying NOT all was done without licences.
I've seen a lot of sloppy work done by licenced tradesmen as well.

You should see the crap the electricians pulled in my last two houses!
I suspect this one isn't any better, though haven't been in it long
enough to find too much (YOY did they use 14/2?).

Also some VERY nice work done by unlicienced workers.

The inspector was quite impressed with the work I did on a garage
twentyish years ago. He was a little bit surprised that nothing
worked when he walked in. I didn't have a permit, so the sub was shut
off at the main when I wasn't actively working.

Planet Union Sparky.

 

[krw]

City of Davis, Yolo County, California.

I drew up plans, got them stamped and approved
by the city planning department, pulled 6-3 cable
from a 50 ampere breaker in the outside service
entrance panel to the garage where I installed a
subpanel, then installed lamps, 120 outlets and
240 outlets out of the subpanel. Before covering
anything, I called the city building inspector
and he came out, compared it to the drawing and
signed it all off. He said that I must have done
it myself because it was too neat for an electrician.

Disclaimer - I am not a licensed electrician, but
I can read the code and do neater work than one.

Indeed, because we can spend time doing things right.

 

[krw]

Notice no comma between binary and digital - so "binary digital", not
"binary", or "digital"

You make no sense, then. Hexadecimal is a special case, or expression
of binary. Paper tape is binary, at least in most senses.

Analog CNC could be done with "voice coil" actuators with servo
feedback. MUCH faster than servo-motor devices for low-power
applications - which is why they have replaced servo motors for
disk-drive head positioners and lazer focusing etc.

Bet the lazer focussing on a CNC laser cutter has been done "analog"
by someone somewhere.

I doubt that function is (user) programmable, so not in any way C*C.