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Genome

WuzhengNA said:
You guys show why I like newsgroups.

You all have the experience. To those with no experience (me) what you
do appears as magic.

Understand my background - I know what this thing needs to do, I am
just trying to see if it is possible to get there. No sense going
further if it is not even possible to get there.

That is how my head words it.

Unfortunately you come across as a troll do hick nutter. You might not like
being called one but I can take the limited information you have given so
far and add some words to it in a Google search and find some of the patents
you have found.

Here's one.....

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US6422002&F=0

Reading them I can conclude you are pretending not to understand (or truly
do not understand) and are presenting the information in a way that you hope
some fool will say........ duh! No problem, here you go. And not try to find
out what you think you may be on about.

I don't really care about your efforts to feign hard done by Mr Good Bob
ignorance.

No you are not going to get a 1uS pulsed 250kW 50MHz microwave system handed
to you on a plate. This is why such systems cost $9000.

Life is hard that way.

However, I would not be surprised if there are different laws that apply to
your Dinky $20,000 trucks and proper $100,000 ones. Perhaps you should
toddle off and review the upcoming laws.

Now I suppose I should 'Go **** Myself'.

DNA
 
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WuzhengNA

Genome said:
No you are not going to get a 1uS pulsed 250kW 50MHz microwave system handed
to you on a plate. This is why such systems cost $9000.

Life is hard that way.

However, I would not be surprised if there are different laws that apply to
your Dinky $20,000 trucks and proper $100,000 ones. Perhaps you should
toddle off and review the upcoming laws.

Now I suppose I should 'Go **** Myself'.

DNA

Well, if you insist, go ahead.

Hundreds of patents showing roughly the same thing, none of which show
how to actually make the corona, which is why I am here.

I'm intimately familiar with the new laws for my dinky little trucks,
thank you.

Sorry you had a bad day.
 
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Genome

WuzhengNA said:
Well, if you insist, go ahead.

Hundreds of patents showing roughly the same thing, none of which show
how to actually make the corona, which is why I am here.

I'm intimately familiar with the new laws for my dinky little trucks,
thank you.

Sorry you had a bad day.

Not really....

You do understand that even though you snip the bulk of the preceding
message that links to a system you are describing along with the technical
details you are not providing the original reply, along with its comments,
still remains?

Of course I'm bound to suggest that that sort of action is indicative of
trolling.

Why not go an play with Browns Gas?

DNA
 
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WuzhengNA

Genome said:
Not really....

You do understand that even though you snip the bulk of the preceding
message that links to a system you are describing along with the technical
details you are not providing the original reply, along with its comments,
still remains?

Of course I'm bound to suggest that that sort of action is indicative of
trolling.

Why not go an play with Browns Gas?

DNA

I'm missing your point - or you have misjudged. I have that link above
in my "favorites" already, with maybe 100 more - want to see?

http://fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/dtic/ADA363246.pdf
http://www.usc.edu/dept/ee/Gundersen/ignition/Kuthi_ONR_2002.pdf
http://www.emsl.pnl.gov/docs/annual_reports/csd/annual_report1999/1578b_3o.html
http://fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/dtic/ADA371090.pdf
http://www.llnl.gov/tid/lof/documents/pdf/234024.pdf
http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/esthag/1999/33/i19/abs/es9813010.html
http://www.yet2.com/app/utility/external/indextechpak/10354
http://www.eurekalert.org/features/doe/2002-09/dnnl-on012403.php
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/pdfs/deer_2003/session10/2003_deer_hoard.pdf
http://aiche.confex.com/aiche/2005/techprogram/P20964.HTM
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/pdfs/success/plasmacatalyst3_23_01.pdf
http://www.patentgenius.com/patent/7132621.html
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/827867-TaykBy/native/827867.pdf
http://www.llnl.gov/str/pdfs/12_99.1.pdf
http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=100825&org=olpa&from=news
http://www.pyrogenesis.com/content_en/technologies/plasma_torches.asp
http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/DOE/_conf_proc/DEER/970799/conf_970799_toc.htm

Heck, you want more, just ask. And, as I said above, if you insist,
please do.
 
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WuzhengNA

Date: Wed, Dec 6 2006 7:47 pm
Email: "Genome" <[email protected]>


And, Genome, you dope, if you read the whole thread, plus the original
thread I referenced in the beginning, you would see that I mentioned
now fewer than 30 times what this was for, and why.

Your failure to read thoroughly is not my concern - I forgive you.

You, sir, have been owned.
 
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Genome

WuzhengNA said:
Date: Wed, Dec 6 2006 7:47 pm
Email: "Genome" <[email protected]>


And, Genome, you dope, if you read the whole thread, plus the original
thread I referenced in the beginning, you would see that I mentioned
now fewer than 30 times what this was for, and why.

Your failure to read thoroughly is not my concern - I forgive you.

You, sir, have been owned.

Oh dear. Well I won't argue......

However, it would have been nice if, instead of babbling on about your
perception of what the links you just gave were about whilst feigning
ignorance, you would have given the links instead. Then people would have
been able to ignore you earlier.

As to pwnership.....

I suppose you'll have to plonk me now :-(

DNA
 
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WuzhengNA

Genome said:
Oh dear. Well I won't argue......

However, it would have been nice if, instead of babbling on about your
perception of what the links you just gave were about whilst feigning
ignorance, you would have given the links instead. Then people would have
been able to ignore you earlier.

As to pwnership.....

I suppose you'll have to plonk me now :-(

DNA


It must be so easy for you to defecate...
 
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joseph2k

WuzhengNA said:
Hundreds of units, cheap trucks (under $20k)

And it has to work out lesst that nine grand a unit, I'm sure

Here is a thoroughly wild idea, how about using the guts from an induction
lighting fixture to excite the exhaust gasses to plasma. Lots of reactions
will occur. Most products will be simple.
 
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YD

(was Plasma, Flybacks, RF Burns and Exploding Transisters)

After much excellent feedback, after much help from here, and after
research, I can advise exactly what I need, and from where I need to
get it;

INPUT - 12V DC, 30A


(SOMEBODY PUT SCHEMATIC HERE)


OUTPUT - 140kV, 15mA, AC@50mHz (or DC Pulsed @ same frequency)

The output WILL provide the results I need - I just don't know if it is
possible to get from point A to point B

If you mean MHz you'll have some serious RF sheilding issues at that
power level. I think someone or other is going to rather frown upon a
perambulating shortwave transmitter. Even more so as it's likely to
create a lot of harmonics.

- YD.
 
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Zak

WuzhengNA said:
Hundreds of patents showing roughly the same thing, none of which show
how to actually make the corona, which is why I am here.

A photocopier has a 'corona assembly' - or at least the old ones had. 6
or so kilovolt on a very very thin (gold plated??) tungsten wire - a
copier needs a corona discharge as wide as the paper.

A needle works as well. See 'negative ion' apparatus to 'improve room
atmosphere'. All run at very low power. Maybe if the ions or radicals
work as a catalyst that is okay.

Amospheric pressure discharge that is more intense usually is very hot
as well. Think welder with melding electrodes...


Thomas
 
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Genome

WuzhengNA said:
It must be so easy for you to defecate...

Whooops...... lost context again.

Tell you what.......

The microwaves make the plasma/corona so you need some microwaves.
Microwaves come from microwave ovens so you need some microwave ovens. You
are dealing with exhaust gases so you need an exhaust pipe. Pipes are
waveguides and waveguides direct microwaves. So you have to connect your
microwaves to your exhaust gases and since they are both travelling in pipes
then you might connect them by welding the pipes together. Obviously your
basic structure becomes a length of exhaust pipe, one end connects to the
exhaust manifold of your engine and the other end sticks out the back of
your truck. Now you cut some holes(ellipses, you're good at that stuff)
either side of your exhaust pipe and weld the other two pipes/waveguides so
it sort of looks like a Y thing with the bottom of the Y being the bit that
sticks out the back end of your truck. You weld the other end of the two
waveguide pipes to the outputs of the magnetrons of your microwave ovens
which you will have to butcher a bit. Cool. Now you get hold of one of those
catalytic convertor things and butcher it to get a circular section of the
catalytic converting part that you can shove up your exhaust pipe from the
bit that sticks out of the back of your truck so it is nice and snug at the
right place just after the microwave pipes connect. Gentlemen 'Start Your
Engines', oh... and dial maximum power from your ovens (as if you knew any
other method of cooking) then push the start button. Now, theory states that
the exhaust gases will travel down the tube to the catalytic converting part
of things and get catalytically converted. However, with the waveguides
guiding the microwaves into the carefully tuned system the catalytic
converter plug, as carefully dimensioned and inserted, will act as a
distributed load converting directed energy to a plasma/corona inducing
voltage gradient across its length acting to diametrically de, re polarise
or do nothing to certain chemical things within the mix enhancing other
things or not whilst appropriate selection of 5 or other numbers on the
microwave oven will enhance, or otherwise, not be good for the flamefront
generation, regeneration or extiguishing of other things and something to do
with the way ionic things move about in an ionic way that might involve
magnetic effects (think of aftersales). Furthermore skin effect and
selection of oven manufacturer will be beneficial to beneficial enhancement
of beneficial energy delivery at the active interface of the expensive layer
which will get hot and do good stuff that may or may not mask the obvious or
not so obvious effects of other things that may be going on...... PID
control.


There you go then.

Quite simple when you think about it ay? If you get your welding trousers
out now then over the weekend you'll have a working prototype sometime
before Monday morning.

Look forward to hearing the news.

DNA
 
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WuzhengNA

Genome said:
Whooops...... lost context again.

Tell you what.......

The microwaves make the plasma/corona so you need some microwaves.
Microwaves come from microwave ovens so you need some microwave ovens. You
are dealing with exhaust gases so you need an exhaust pipe. Pipes are
waveguides and waveguides direct microwaves. So you have to connect your
microwaves to your exhaust gases and since they are both travelling in pipes
then you might connect them by welding the pipes together. Obviously your
basic structure becomes a length of exhaust pipe, one end connects to the
exhaust manifold of your engine and the other end sticks out the back of
your truck. Now you cut some holes(ellipses, you're good at that stuff)
either side of your exhaust pipe and weld the other two pipes/waveguides so
it sort of looks like a Y thing with the bottom of the Y being the bit that
sticks out the back end of your truck. You weld the other end of the two
waveguide pipes to the outputs of the magnetrons of your microwave ovens
which you will have to butcher a bit. Cool. Now you get hold of one of those
catalytic convertor things and butcher it to get a circular section of the
catalytic converting part that you can shove up your exhaust pipe from the
bit that sticks out of the back of your truck so it is nice and snug at the
right place just after the microwave pipes connect. Gentlemen 'Start Your
Engines', oh... and dial maximum power from your ovens (as if you knew any
other method of cooking) then push the start button. Now, theory states that
the exhaust gases will travel down the tube to the catalytic converting part
of things and get catalytically converted. However, with the waveguides
guiding the microwaves into the carefully tuned system the catalytic
converter plug, as carefully dimensioned and inserted, will act as a
distributed load converting directed energy to a plasma/corona inducing
voltage gradient across its length acting to diametrically de, re polarise
or do nothing to certain chemical things within the mix enhancing other
things or not whilst appropriate selection of 5 or other numbers on the
microwave oven will enhance, or otherwise, not be good for the flamefront
generation, regeneration or extiguishing of other things and something to do
with the way ionic things move about in an ionic way that might involve
magnetic effects (think of aftersales). Furthermore skin effect and
selection of oven manufacturer will be beneficial to beneficial enhancement
of beneficial energy delivery at the active interface of the expensive layer
which will get hot and do good stuff that may or may not mask the obvious or
not so obvious effects of other things that may be going on...... PID
control.


There you go then.

Quite simple when you think about it ay? If you get your welding trousers
out now then over the weekend you'll have a working prototype sometime
before Monday morning.

Look forward to hearing the news.

DNA

It must be so lonely to be you.
 
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Rene Tschaggelar

default said:
Can't get from A to B 12 volts times 30 amps is 360 watts

140 KV at .015 amps is 2,100 watts

You can't get more power (watts) out than you put in, or you can't put
in 1/2 horse power and get out 3 hp.

Actually you can. On a 1/6 duty ratio.

Rene
 
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