PSpice Noise Analysis

[Bob Penoyer]

I'm somewhat new to PSpice. One apparent feature is Noise Analysis.
When I invoke this function, a couple of new terms appear in the left
pane of the Add Traces window in Schematic. For my particular circuit,
these are NTOT(ONOISE), NTOT(R1), NTOT(R6), V(INOISE), and V(ONOISE).

I assume INOISE is input noise and ONOISE is output noise. They appear
to give a noise profile as a function of frequency but what, exactly,
are INOISE and ONOISE? Are they used separately? Should I use their
ratio?

A key question: Is there a direct way to make PSpice calculate the
total rms voltage or current noise referenced to the input?

 

[Kevin Aylward]

I'm somewhat new to PSpice. One apparent feature is Noise Analysis.
When I invoke this function, a couple of new terms appear in the left
pane of the Add Traces window in Schematic. For my particular circuit,
these are NTOT(ONOISE), NTOT(R1), NTOT(R6), V(INOISE), and V(ONOISE).

I assume INOISE is input noise and ONOISE is output noise. They appear
to give a noise profile as a function of frequency but what, exactly,
are INOISE and ONOISE? Are they used separately? Should I use their
ratio?

No. They are the effective input/rthz and output noise/rthz, as you
guessed.

A key question: Is there a direct way to make PSpice calculate the
total rms voltage or current noise referenced to the input?

I don't remeber much about PSpice, now but I would guess that NTOT might
be total noise;-)

Now if you were using SuperSpice, http://www.anasoft.co.uk,which is much
more affordable an easier to use, I could help you more.

Kevin Aylward
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[qrk]

I'm somewhat new to PSpice. One apparent feature is Noise Analysis.
When I invoke this function, a couple of new terms appear in the left
pane of the Add Traces window in Schematic. For my particular circuit,
these are NTOT(ONOISE), NTOT(R1), NTOT(R6), V(INOISE), and V(ONOISE).

I assume INOISE is input noise and ONOISE is output noise. They appear
to give a noise profile as a function of frequency but what, exactly,
are INOISE and ONOISE? Are they used separately? Should I use their
ratio?

A key question: Is there a direct way to make PSpice calculate the
total rms voltage or current noise referenced to the input?

INOISE = equivalent noise of total circuit, referenced to the input
ONOISE = equivalent noise of total circuit, referenced to the output
NTOT = total noise, used mostly for device noise. See PSpice help for
"Device noise variables" for more noise info.

In AC analysis, you set up the input source and output node as well as
enable the noise reporting.

The answer to your "key question" is yes. INOISE and ONOISE calculate
the total circuit noise.

Mark

 

[Jim Thompson]

INOISE = equivalent noise of total circuit, referenced to the input
ONOISE = equivalent noise of total circuit, referenced to the output
NTOT = total noise, used mostly for device noise. See PSpice help for
"Device noise variables" for more noise info.

In AC analysis, you set up the input source and output node as well as
enable the noise reporting.

The answer to your "key question" is yes. INOISE and ONOISE calculate
the total circuit noise.

Mark

Yes, Mark, we *do* know a lot about noise ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[Bob Penoyer]

INOISE = equivalent noise of total circuit, referenced to the input
ONOISE = equivalent noise of total circuit, referenced to the output
NTOT = total noise, used mostly for device noise. See PSpice help for
"Device noise variables" for more noise info.

In AC analysis, you set up the input source and output node as well as
enable the noise reporting.

The answer to your "key question" is yes. INOISE and ONOISE calculate
the total circuit noise.

Two follow-up questions:

1. Do INOISE and ONOISE include the noise effects of components listed
as arguments of NTOT? That is, if there are resistors connected in an
op-amp circuit, for example, do INOISE and ONOISE include the combined
effects of the resistors and the op-amp?
2. Is there a way to convert the spectral profiles of INOISE and
ONOISE to the total noise, that is, integrate INOISE or ONOISE over
the swept frequency spectrum?