OT: WinXP sharing question

[Robert Baer]

If it's so great, what the hell is Windows Server 2003 about?

If it's so secure, what happens when two or more people have accounts on a
single PC?

Excelent questions; (1) do they relate to my question, and (2) have
any answers to mine or yours?

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Seems a little unwieldy; each computer has the same-named folder and
some may have this and others may have that - the result is ?what?
Naturally, i do not know how all of those drive "C:\"s look like
either...

Try it, It does work. You open "My Network Places", then "Entire
Network", "Microsoft Windows Network" followed by whatever you name your
network. It lists the "Shared Documents" folders by the computer's
description and name.


I currently have three XP computers on the network, along with a
Windows 2000 and a Windows ME system. Only one computer is password
protected, because the folder is full of utility software that can trash
a computer, if you don't know how to use it. When I am repairing a
computer I just log in and download the programs I need. Most of the
time this is done with a US Robotics USB wireless network adapter


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[Michael A. Terrell]

That is exactly what i thought, but i have been getting "opinions"
that include "one must also share the drive / root".
I think that would result in *everything* being shared, and so
contrary to what was desired.

Whatever. I give up.


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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Ken Smith]

"Shared Documents" is the default folder name on XP. The folder
exists in a standard install of XP, and it is what it looks for on other
computers on the network.

Yes and it is such a bother to type at the DOS prompt.

 

[The Real Andy]

Excelent questions; (1) do they relate to my question, and (2) have
any answers to mine or yours?

1. Server 2003 is exactly that. Server. There are many differences
between the XP and 2003. Clustering, load balancing, Active Directory,
multi processor support (more proccesors than XP), group policy
management, domain hosting .... the list goes on.

2. IF two people have logons, then one has to be admin. Admin can
control who sees what. Like I said before. Right click folder,
properties, sharing and security tab. Folders under 'Documents and
Settings' can be accessed only by respective user and admin by
default. WHen you create a new folder, it is up to you to set the
permissions. If you want permissions set automatically, i would be
surprised if there was not some type of security policy that could
handle it. Likewise, if you wanted to ban folder creation I would be
looking at security policies as well.

 

[The Real Andy]

That is exactly what i thought, but i have been getting "opinions"
that include "one must also share the drive / root".
I think that would result in *everything* being shared, and so
contrary to what was desired.

Dont listen to opinion, listen to fact. Each folders permissions can
be set seperately. Sub folders of a shared folder a typically shared
too, but once again you can set any given subfolders' permissions.

IIRC I think IIS does not give permissions to sub folders by default,
but i know **** all about IIS.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Yes and it is such a bother to type at the DOS prompt.

Copy it from a file explorer then paste into the CMD box.








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[Homer J Simpson]

That is exactly what i thought, but i have been getting "opinions" that
include "one must also share the drive / root".
Wrong.

I think that would result in *everything* being shared, and so contrary
to what was desired.

It would. Just assume everything in the shared folder and below it is
shared.

See "Sharing files and folders overview" in the Help file.

If both computers are on the same network

You can share a folder that is stored on your computer with others on the
network. You can also control whether the files in the shared folder can be
modified by other users.

The Sharing option is not available for the Documents and Settings, Program
Files, and WINDOWS system folders. In addition, you cannot share folders in
other user's profiles.

 

[Ban]

...then "properties" then ...
Too bad you left a lot to the imagination and said nothing about
subfolders being shared...

Well, your confusion comes because you can not define your problem. And the
answers take two different things into account:
1. you talk about your network
2. you talk about a single computer, where later another user is working on.

You said you wanted alfa with all subfolders to be shared, which can be
achieved. So I have to guide you for each click? The folder changes
appearance (hand) and shows now directly in the network neighbourhood. Even
a 12-year-old should be able to do that.

Seems you have discovered XP only now, welcome aboard.

 

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

I download shitloads of porn using this XP computer and rely on my storing
it in places where even I will forget about where it is then every so often
I go and stick it on a CD and stick it in a cupboard.

So, basically speaking, using XP... What you have to do if you do if you
want to not share stuff is store it on your hard drive and if you want to
share it you put it on a CD and stick it in a cupboard.

DNA

It sounds like a problem with your dongle.

 

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

That is exactly what i thought, but i have been getting "opinions"
that include "one must also share the drive / root".
I think that would result in *everything* being shared, and so
contrary to what was desired.

Your assumption is correct. You do not need to share C:\, root or
whatever. Just share the top level subdirectory containing that which
you want to share.

Using the Windows convention may have its advantages. The 'Shared
Documents' name is a big red flag that says 'don't forget that others
can see this stuff'. OTOH, there is nothing wrong with multiple shares
on one system. Give each a logical name and they'll make more sense to
other users. The question becomes: Who are these 'other users' and what
are they doing with this content? Sharing works well in a small office
environment where others may need write access, but the protocol doesn't
scale up well. For read-only stuff on the internet, get a web server.

 

[The Real Andy]

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:28:49 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"

The Sharing option is not available for the Documents and Settings, Program
Files, and WINDOWS system folders. In addition, you cannot share folders in
other user's profiles.

You can do anything if you have admin rights on the PC, including
sharing other users folders.

 

[Roger Hamlett]

That is exactly what i thought, but i have been getting "opinions"
that include "one must also share the drive / root".
I think that would result in *everything* being shared, and so
contrary to what was desired.

You can just share a folder, without sharing anything else. In fact latter
releases of XP, will _warn_ about the securty implications, if you try to
share the root directory, and will automatically block sharing of things
like the Windows folder.
One thing you might want to look at, is the 'shared documents' folder.
This is a default 'shared' area, set up on Windows, designed to separate
the act of 'sharing', from the local stuff.
One reason for the 'contrary opinions', is that by default, if file
sharing is enabled, Windows creates a _hidden_ relatively secure system
'share' for the root called 'C$', which does not allow general access, but
is used by some system tasks.

Best Wishes

 

[Homer J Simpson]

...then "properties" then ...
Too bad you left a lot to the imagination and said nothing about
subfolders being shared...

What about sharing via MSN Messenger?






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[Ken Smith]

Copy it from a file explorer then paste into the CMD box.

You mean I've *got to* use the explorer!! The only reason Windows
improves productivity is because you can bring up more than one DOS prompt
at a time. There are a lot of buttons on the keyboard. Why in gawds name
would I need another thing to gove me three more!

 

[Homer J Simpson]

You mean I've *got to* use the explorer!! The only reason Windows
improves productivity is because you can bring up more than one DOS prompt
at a time. There are a lot of buttons on the keyboard. Why in gawds name
would I need another thing to gove me three more!

It is what it is. Until we all move to Linux we're stuck.









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[Robert Baer]

Try it, It does work. You open "My Network Places", then "Entire
Network", "Microsoft Windows Network" followed by whatever you name your
network. It lists the "Shared Documents" folders by the computer's
description and name.


I currently have three XP computers on the network, along with a
Windows 2000 and a Windows ME system. Only one computer is password
protected, because the folder is full of utility software that can trash
a computer, if you don't know how to use it. When I am repairing a
computer I just log in and download the programs I need. Most of the
time this is done with a US Robotics USB wireless network adapter

Thanks.

 

[Robert Baer]

Your assumption is correct. You do not need to share C:\, root or
whatever. Just share the top level subdirectory containing that which
you want to share.

Using the Windows convention may have its advantages. The 'Shared
Documents' name is a big red flag that says 'don't forget that others
can see this stuff'. OTOH, there is nothing wrong with multiple shares
on one system. Give each a logical name and they'll make more sense to
other users. The question becomes: Who are these 'other users' and what
are they doing with this content? Sharing works well in a small office
environment where others may need write access, but the protocol doesn't
scale up well. For read-only stuff on the internet, get a web server.

Excellent points concerning folder name(s).
Thanks.

 

[Robert Baer]

1. Server 2003 is exactly that. Server. There are many differences
between the XP and 2003. Clustering, load balancing, Active Directory,
multi processor support (more proccesors than XP), group policy
management, domain hosting .... the list goes on.

2. IF two people have logons, then one has to be admin. Admin can
control who sees what. Like I said before. Right click folder,
properties, sharing and security tab. Folders under 'Documents and
Settings' can be accessed only by respective user and admin by
default. WHen you create a new folder, it is up to you to set the
permissions. If you want permissions set automatically, i would be
surprised if there was not some type of security policy that could
handle it. Likewise, if you wanted to ban folder creation I would be
looking at security policies as well.

Thanks for the information concerning Server 2003!
What you say in #2 is basically what i have seen on a rare occasion;
good to have a fairly detailed view; thanks.

 

[The Real Andy]

Thanks for the information concerning Server 2003!
What you say in #2 is basically what i have seen on a rare occasion;
good to have a fairly detailed view; thanks.

No problem. It really pisses me off when idiots go spewing out crap
saying everything is fucked when clearly they have no idea at all.