OT truth in advertising

[John Larkin]

riboflavin
niacin - B3
vitamin B6
folate
pantothenic acid - B5
calcium
copper
iron
magnesium
manganese
phosphorus
potassium
selenium
zinc

Once most of the sugar is crystallised out of sugarcane juice the remainder
is sold as black strap molasses. It is very high in nutients, one
tablespoon has approx. 20% of the daily requirement of calcium, magnesium,
potassium and iron.

That's highly concentrated, evaporated way down. Cane juice is a
slightly amber liquid with small quantities of the goodies you
mention. If you switch from white sugar to turbinado, it won't make
much difference.

Refining white sugar adds nothing harmful and removes small amounts of
nutrients, not enough to matter much. Eat your broccoli.

John

 

[Lord Garth]

I found on the label of a vitamin tonic made in Mexico and marketed in
USA, an ingredient called "1,1,1-trimethylxanthine" which is the
chemical name for caffeine!

1,3,7-trimethylxanthine is caffeine...

 

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That's highly concentrated, evaporated way down.

So are you trying to tell us that dilution causes these things to
disappear?

Cane juice is a
slightly amber liquid with small quantities of the goodies you
mention.

Same for all fruit juices. But were you not doubting the existence of
these micronutrients in cane juice?

If you switch from white sugar to turbinado, it won't make
much difference.

True, but how are you certain that this is the substance referred to
by the OP?

Refining white sugar adds nothing harmful and removes small amounts of
nutrients, not enough to matter much. Eat your broccoli.

Cane juice and broccoli juice will be quite similar nutritionwise.
Less energy in the broccoli.

Refining white sugar takes out ALL the nutrients except energy which
is the essential nutrient that most of us get way too much of.

jack

 

[Jasen]

Valuable nutrients? In sugarcane juice? Can you name some?


No, it is not.

you won't last long on a zero kilojoule diet.

Bye.
Jasen

 

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Once most of the sugar is crystallised out of sugarcane juice the remainder
is sold as black strap molasses. It is very high in nutients, one
tablespoon has approx. 20% of the daily requirement of calcium, magnesium,
potassium and iron.

I use a fair amount of molasses for breakfast cereal, bread baking,
glaze for meat, beer making, etc.. Buy it by the gallon (for beer
flavoring) . Jug only mentions potassium 4%, iron 8%, calcium 4%
and sodium 1%, content for MDR - only ingredient is molasses, no sugar
syrup no preservative. Serving size is 1 TBSP.

Good stuff.

Further off topic: Beer is a great source of B vitamins, and
antioxidants. B3, B6, B2, ferulic acid, folates, and my beer, at
least, iron and potassium.

Beer gets a bad rap by snotty wine buffs and is regarded as "low
class" but the health benefits surpass wine of any color. The
government made it illegal to put the MDR of beer on the labels in an
effort to discourage drinking.

Somehow I doubt US beer,that is filtered and pasteurized, qualifies as
health food.

 

[John Larkin]

So are you trying to tell us that dilution causes these things to
disappear?

Dilution dilutes things. Beyond that point, I can't interpret your
question.

Same for all fruit juices. But were you not doubting the existence of
these micronutrients in cane juice?

Micro is as micro does. Tiny amounts of nutrients have tiny benefits.

True, but how are you certain that this is the substance referred to
by the OP?

Didn't he mention "evaporated cane juice" or something like that? I
suppose it is possible he was talking about some other sort of cane.
Maybe he bought a pack of bamboo candy?

Cane juice and broccoli juice will be quite similar nutritionwise.
Less energy in the broccoli.

Refining white sugar takes out ALL the nutrients except energy which
is the essential nutrient that most of us get way too much of.

We engineers apparently have a different definition of "energy" than
you do.

John

 

[John Larkin]

you won't last long on a zero kilojoule diet.

And you wouldn't last long as a design engineer.

John

 

[Fermi]

I use a fair amount of molasses for breakfast cereal, bread baking,
glaze for meat, beer making, etc.. Buy it by the gallon (for beer
flavoring) . Jug only mentions potassium 4%, iron 8%, calcium 4%
and sodium 1%, content for MDR - only ingredient is molasses, no sugar
syrup no preservative. Serving size is 1 TBSP.

The difference in % values may depend on the type of molasses, the clue is
in the size. The stuff I have bought has been in small tins/jars - nothing
as big as a gallon, but I've never looked at beer making supplies - don't
like beer, sorry (if it's any concilation I don't like wine much either):
http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/402360.html

The black strap type is obtained after the sugar cane juice has been boiled
3 times, less concentrated molasses is obtained after the second boiling.
Typical nutritional info here:
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c21Ru.html

Good stuff.

Further off topic: Beer is a great source of B vitamins, and
antioxidants. B3, B6, B2, ferulic acid, folates, and my beer, at
least, iron and potassium.

Beer gets a bad rap by snotty wine buffs and is regarded as "low
class" but the health benefits surpass wine of any color. The
government made it illegal to put the MDR of beer on the labels in an
effort to discourage drinking.

Lawmakers around the world tend to have difficulty with the idea that not
everyone thinks like they do. People who drink too much are unlikely to be
the sort to study nutritional info on labels. This just makes it more
difficult for those interested in their health to make informed decisions.

 

[Fermi]

That's highly concentrated, evaporated way down. Cane juice is a
slightly amber liquid with small quantities of the goodies you
mention. If you switch from white sugar to turbinado, it won't make
much difference.

The darker and less refined the higher the nutrient content. I don't use
sugar for sweetening purposes (i.e. adding to prepared food drinks), just
cooking, so I haven't used white sugar for years.

Refining white sugar adds nothing harmful and removes small amounts of
nutrients, not enough to matter much.

Seems a bit pointless to include extra refining steps simply to remove
nutrients, no matter how small the quantities. Adds nothing, takes away
nutients.

Eat your broccoli.

Would be healthier with molasses poured over it, but may add a touch of
bitterness

 

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And you wouldn't last long as a design engineer.

Good answer!
And what were you saying about micronutrients?

You sound like my long dead father:
"I've forgotten more than you'll ever know, boy!"
He claimed to be an engineer too.
We used to respond with:
"On which locomotive?"

jack

 

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Dilution dilutes things. Beyond that point, I can't interpret your
question.

Well you implied these things do not exist, but when shown to exist in
the concentrated form....

Micro is as micro does. Tiny amounts of nutrients have tiny benefits.

Try looking up the definition of micronutrients. They include all the
vitamins and minerals. Thud!!!

Didn't he mention "evaporated cane juice" or something like that?

Yes, but that is not turbinado

I

suppose it is possible he was talking about some other sort of cane.
Maybe he bought a pack of bamboo candy?
Maybe...


We engineers apparently have a different definition of "energy" than
you do.

Really? And I though energy was energy. Could you explain your
definition of energy? jack

 

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I use a fair amount of molasses for breakfast cereal, bread baking,
glaze for meat, beer making, etc.. Buy it by the gallon (for beer
flavoring) . Jug only mentions potassium 4%, iron 8%, calcium 4%
and sodium 1%, content for MDR - only ingredient is molasses, no sugar
syrup no preservative. Serving size is 1 TBSP.

Good stuff.

Further off topic: Beer is a great source of B vitamins, and
antioxidants. B3, B6, B2, ferulic acid, folates, and my beer, at
least, iron and potassium.

Beer gets a bad rap by snotty wine buffs and is regarded as "low
class" but the health benefits surpass wine of any color.

Ummm, I doubt that. Wine has more nutrients, usually. The lot are
spoiled by the toxic alcohol content. Not that I'm against a little
poison

The
government made it illegal to put the MDR of beer on the labels in an
effort to discourage drinking.

Overconsumption is surely a huge health problem.

Somehow I doubt US beer,that is filtered and pasteurized, qualifies as
health food.

Well, no, the alcohol would preclude this.

jack

 

[John Larkin]

The darker and less refined the higher the nutrient content.

Darker sugars are *more* refined. The first-press "turbinado" sugar is
very light in color and flavor, great in coffee and for cooking, and
is most "natural." They re-dissolve it two or three times, splatter it
on the sides of huge spinning drums, and wash it with hot water to
make it whiter. The last stage is crystallization.

The stuff that they wash out is an amber liquid. They boil that down
to make molasses. To make brown sugar, they add molasses to white or
amber sugar. It's quite synthetic.

My ex-daddy-in-law was a Cajun sugarcane farmer and part owner of a
cane mill, which is how I know this stuff. We used to get the raw
sugar before it became popular. We'd just bring a bucket to the
warehouse where they stashed the stuff, pushing it around with
bulldozers.

John

 

[John Larkin]

Good answer!
And what were you saying about micronutrients?

You sound like my long dead father:
"I've forgotten more than you'll ever know, boy!"
He claimed to be an engineer too.
We used to respond with:
"On which locomotive?"

jack

What, are you into the micronutrient/homeopathic thing? They do rate
among the finer placebos.

John

 

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Lawmakers around the world tend to have difficulty with the idea that not
everyone thinks like they do. People who drink too much are unlikely to be
the sort to study nutritional info on labels. This just makes it more
difficult for those interested in their health to make informed decisions.

I wonder if there is not a large middle group who are neither
out-and-out drunkards not interested in their health or anything else
except the next hit of booze, and neither the total abstainers.

Folk who have a dependence on alcohol and are trying to moderate their
usage. A campaign to show the health benefits might tip many into
overindulgence and past the point of no return.

I used to self-medicate with alcohol, but took supplements to
ameliorate some consequential health deficits. I would not have been
persuaded by any campaigns, only because I have had a lifetime
interest in nutrition and human biology/physiology. But folk without
my interest could so easily rationalise some positive message about
slight health effects of booze into consuming more than they can cope
with.

Just look at all the folk quaffing red wine in the belief that the net
benefits outweigh the net damage.

You can get your antioxidants from much better sources than those tied
to alcohol. Try some dark grapes, for instance. jack

ps, I'm not anti-alcohol, I just don't kid myself
that it is good for me

 

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What, are you into the micronutrient/homeopathic thing? They do rate
among the finer placebos.

You obviously haven't a clue what you are talking about.
Homeopathy is bullshit!

From the Macquarie Dictionary:
" micronutrient
/muykroh'nyoohtrearnt/
noun a vitamin, mineral or other substance essential for good
health, but required in tiny amounts only.
Compare macronutrient."

"macronutrient
/makroh'nyoohtreeuhnt/
noun a substance, as oxygen, hydrogen, etc., required in large
amounts, for good health.
Compare micronutrient."

HTH jack

ps, I'm looking forward to your definition of energy.

 

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On Wed, 23 May 2007 00:16:06 +0100, Fermi


Darker sugars are *more* refined. The first-press "turbinado" sugar is
very light in color and flavor, great in coffee and for cooking, and
is most "natural." They re-dissolve it two or three times, splatter it
on the sides of huge spinning drums, and wash it with hot water to
make it whiter. The last stage is crystallization.

The stuff that they wash out is an amber liquid. They boil that down
to make molasses. To make brown sugar, they add molasses to white or
amber sugar. It's quite synthetic.

From http://www.sugaralliance.org/desktopdefault.aspx?page_id=97


7. What is raw sugar?

Raw sugar is a tan to brown, coarse granulated solid obtained on
evaporation of clarified sugar cane juice. Raw sugar is processed from
the cane at a sugar mill and then shipped to a refinery. It is about
98% sucrose. Raw sugar is not sold to consumers. The U.S. Food and
Drug Administration notes raw sugar is "unfit for direct use as food
or as a food ingredient because of the impurities it ordinarily
contains."

8. What is turbinado sugar?

Turbinado sugar is raw sugar that has been refined to a light tan
color by washing in a centrifuge under sanitary conditions. Surface
molasses is removed in the washing process. In total sugar content
turbinado is closer to refined sugar than to raw sugar. It can be
purchased in many health food stores and some supermarkets.

9. What is brown sugar?

Brown sugar consists of sugar crystals contained in a molasses syrup
with natural flavor and color components. Many sugar refiners produce
brown sugar by preparing and boiling a special syrup containing these
components until brown sugar crystals form. In the final processing
the crystals are spun dry in a centrifuge; some of the syrup remains
giving the sugar its characteristic brown color. Other refiners
produce brown sugar by blending a special molasses syrup with white
sugar crystals."

HTH jack

 

[Doug Miller]

Just look at all the folk quaffing red wine in the belief that the net
benefits outweigh the net damage.

You can get your antioxidants from much better sources than those tied
to alcohol. Try some dark grapes, for instance.

Antioxidants really have little to do with the health benefits of drinking
wine (or any other form of alcohol). To quote a pathologist friend of mine,
"You never, ever see coronary artery disease in alcoholics. You open up a
70-year-old alcoholic, and his heart looks like a teenager's." He's very clear
about it, though, that if you go beyond two drinks a day, the damage you're
doing to your brain and liver outweighs the cardiac benefits.

 

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Folk who have a dependence on alcohol and are trying to moderate their
usage. A campaign to show the health benefits might tip many into
overindulgence and past the point of no return.

Of course it might work that way, probably would. But I would rather
have all the facts to make my own choices and not have the government
deciding to protect me from myself.

Virtual reality is addicting to some folks so perhaps it should be
regulated or taxed?

Day trading on the stock market is addicting and should be regulated?

Gambling ditto?

McDonald's cholesterol burgers? Krispy Creme?

Makes no sense whatsoever to drive an SUV a few blocks to a store when
walking is so much more healthy - but I don't see them trying to
regulate or control that behavior.

A small amount of alcohol may be beneficial. My wife takes a glass of
wine after a stressful day - and believe me that is beneficial! to
her, and everyone around her. Would Valium be safer?

There's a sign where I launch my boat "Access closed due to low water
level" The city protecting me? Probably just protecting themselves.

I drive a kayak . . .

 

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Why do kellogs put beef extract in my frosted shredded wheat?
you think these things are ment to be natural an then you realise
theyve poured some scrapings of death to give it an edge

Do they actually do that? Beef extract?

Probably don't sell much of that in India.

I quit buying that stuff a long time ago. I may eat oatmeal or
polenta for breakfast. My favorite is the tailings from my beer
making operation - lot of fiber, low cost, probably high in vitamins.
It is just a few pounds of crushed grain and barley malt that steeps
in the brew water for a day at 160 F - I'd been discarding the spent
grain but found I like it for cereal (tastes like Grape Nuts) and it
is nice in bread too.

My shopping cart seldom has a box or can in it - I'm always amazed at
what passes for food these days.