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ehsjr

Joerg asked that I review the tool if I got it, so here's
the review.

Harbor Freight Multifunction Tool
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=65700

This is not a comparative review, as I have not used
a Fein or any other brand multifunction tool. It is
based on my brief testing and inspection of the thing.

Overall impression:
Thumbs up. If the tool is for occasional light use, it
is $40.00 well spent, in my opinion. Performance was
better than I expected from a forty dollar tool and
quality seems adequate at that price.

If you have a need to use the tool on a regular basis, spend
more for higher quality. While this seems to be the
"standard disclaimer" for any cheap tool and is often said
by the poster to protect himself from the scorn of others,
I am posting it based primarily on the findings under
inspection, below. My impression is that it is well enough
made for occasional light use, but is not a high quality
tool.


Performance
Sawing:
My testing was similar to "Flush cutting to install flooring" at
http://www.dremel.com/en-us/projectsandcommunity/VideosOfProjects/Pages/Video.aspx?vid=48

o Perfect for small plunge cuts.
o Time to cut through 3/4" thickness of 1 1/2" fir: 25 seconds
o Nice smooth cut.
o Also tested on a 2x4. I cut through the thickness of a stub
of 2x4 about 3" long and made 3 2x4's about 1 inch long each.
Cuts easily, and the cut surface is smooth.

Sanding:
o Perfect and fast. For the very small job I tested,
faster with 180 grit on the multifunction than my
Bosch ROS with 120 grit would have been. If you
ever have to sand an inside corner of a cabinet, this
is probably the perfect tool.

Vibration:
o No noticable vibration while sanding or sawing

Not tested:
Grout removal, caulk removal, scraping,
cutting sheet rock.

Ease of use:
High marks for sanding.
High marks for accomplishing a cut
High marks for smoothness of cut
Low marks for keeping the blade perpendicular to the work.
Some discussion of the above: Some people have the
"woodworkers eye" and can make a perfect 90 degree cut
in a board at 20 paces with a blunt rock. Not me. I have
to use a square or a jig or some kind of guide to keep
the blade perpendicular with any hand held saw. All
my cuts with the tool were perfectly straight, but angled.
The tool did nothing to help me keep it perpendicular.


Engineering:
Current - 1.05 amps no load at 122.7 VAC
1.2 amps sawing 3/4" fir
1.67 amps peak sawing through 2x4 and pressing hard
1.35 amps average sawing through 2x4 normal pressure

Heat - the gearbox metal housing got hot (estimate 130 F)
after cutting the 2x4 stubs. Not alarmingly or
uncomfortably hot, but evidence of friction, which
we obviously do not want.

Noise - it's loud - loud enough that the instruction
manual should make a bold point of the warning
to wear hearing protection. Sort of sounds like
a vacuum cleaner on steroids.

Inspection - I took the thing apart. The groves on the armature
are not cut as sharply as they could be. Ball
bearings support the armature. I was unable to
pull the armature out of the gear housing and
I could not inspect the gears. I was unwilling
to use more force to try to get the armature out.
The armature has a nylon (?) gear looking thing
press fit on it that functions as a fan. Doesn't
create a lot of wind - but seems enough in use
to prevent overheating. When spinning the armature
by hand, which of course moves the gears in the
gearbox, a slight roughness can be felt. That
roughness might be caused by the reversing, don't
know. The instruction manual includes a parts
list and exploded view, but it is not clear
enough to see how the thing reverses. The air
vent cuts in the gear housing do not have the
look and feel of high quality.

Ed
 
J

Joerg

Thanks for the review, Ed, very nice!

So it seems this tool is up to par for the occasional user. Noise, gear
box heat and such would be ok. There are situations even for lay people
where you need more quality, like when I removed tons of old tiles from
a floor, there I bought a professional grade Bosch. But this
Multifunction tool would have helped me greatly doing jamb cuts and
floorboard trim-back and I could have done a better job with it than by
hand.
 
J

Jim Thompson

Thanks for the review, Ed, very nice!

So it seems this tool is up to par for the occasional user. Noise, gear
box heat and such would be ok. There are situations even for lay people
where you need more quality, like when I removed tons of old tiles from
a floor, there I bought a professional grade Bosch. But this
Multifunction tool would have helped me greatly doing jamb cuts and
floorboard trim-back and I could have done a better job with it than by
hand.

Won't the Bosch tool do that?

...Jim Thompson
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K

krw

Won't the Bosch tool do that?

At 5x the price. If you want to spend another 2-3X, the Fein
MultiMaster is supposed to be a nice tool too. I plan on buying the
Bosch, though.

OTOH, for floor tile it may be worth getting the HF version as a
throw-away.
 
J

Joerg

krw said:
I thought he was talking about the Bosch Multi-X, the Fein knockoff.
http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/BoschProductDetail.aspx?pid=PS50-2A


Yes, that looks like a nice tool. But one has to also mind the cost of
spare blades, disks and whatnot. The Harborfreight inserts are probably
not the most durable but at least they don't cost an arm and a leg. And
I am pretty sure the more posh mfgs make the mounts incompatible so you
must use their inserts.

For the occasional home or small biz user the Harborfreight version
might be good enough.
 
J

Jon Kirwan

Overall impression:
Thumbs up.

Turns out I just happen to need one!! Since a store is just a couple
of miles away... buying it right now. Bye!

Jon
 
J

Jim Thompson

I thought he was talking about the Bosch Multi-X, the Fein knockoff.
http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/BoschProductDetail.aspx?pid=PS50-2A

Yep, That's what I thought Joerg was speaking of.

Is the HF just a cheapened version of the Bosch Multi-X?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food
 
J

Jim Thompson

Joerg asked that I review the tool if I got it, so here's
the review.

Harbor Freight Multifunction Tool
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=65700

This is not a comparative review, as I have not used
a Fein or any other brand multifunction tool. It is
based on my brief testing and inspection of the thing.

Overall impression:
Thumbs up. If the tool is for occasional light use, it
is $40.00 well spent, in my opinion. Performance was
better than I expected from a forty dollar tool and
quality seems adequate at that price.

If you have a need to use the tool on a regular basis, spend
more for higher quality. While this seems to be the
"standard disclaimer" for any cheap tool and is often said
by the poster to protect himself from the scorn of others,
I am posting it based primarily on the findings under
inspection, below. My impression is that it is well enough
made for occasional light use, but is not a high quality
tool.


Performance
Sawing:
My testing was similar to "Flush cutting to install flooring" at
http://www.dremel.com/en-us/projectsandcommunity/VideosOfProjects/Pages/Video.aspx?vid=48

o Perfect for small plunge cuts.
o Time to cut through 3/4" thickness of 1 1/2" fir: 25 seconds
o Nice smooth cut.
o Also tested on a 2x4. I cut through the thickness of a stub
of 2x4 about 3" long and made 3 2x4's about 1 inch long each.
Cuts easily, and the cut surface is smooth.

Sanding:
o Perfect and fast. For the very small job I tested,
faster with 180 grit on the multifunction than my
Bosch ROS with 120 grit would have been. If you
ever have to sand an inside corner of a cabinet, this
is probably the perfect tool.

Vibration:
o No noticable vibration while sanding or sawing

Not tested:
Grout removal, caulk removal, scraping,
cutting sheet rock.

Ease of use:
High marks for sanding.
High marks for accomplishing a cut
High marks for smoothness of cut
Low marks for keeping the blade perpendicular to the work.
Some discussion of the above: Some people have the
"woodworkers eye" and can make a perfect 90 degree cut
in a board at 20 paces with a blunt rock. Not me. I have
to use a square or a jig or some kind of guide to keep
the blade perpendicular with any hand held saw. All
my cuts with the tool were perfectly straight, but angled.
The tool did nothing to help me keep it perpendicular.


Engineering:
Current - 1.05 amps no load at 122.7 VAC
1.2 amps sawing 3/4" fir
1.67 amps peak sawing through 2x4 and pressing hard
1.35 amps average sawing through 2x4 normal pressure

Heat - the gearbox metal housing got hot (estimate 130 F)
after cutting the 2x4 stubs. Not alarmingly or
uncomfortably hot, but evidence of friction, which
we obviously do not want.

Noise - it's loud - loud enough that the instruction
manual should make a bold point of the warning
to wear hearing protection. Sort of sounds like
a vacuum cleaner on steroids.

Inspection - I took the thing apart. The groves on the armature
are not cut as sharply as they could be. Ball
bearings support the armature. I was unable to
pull the armature out of the gear housing and
I could not inspect the gears. I was unwilling
to use more force to try to get the armature out.
The armature has a nylon (?) gear looking thing
press fit on it that functions as a fan. Doesn't
create a lot of wind - but seems enough in use
to prevent overheating. When spinning the armature
by hand, which of course moves the gears in the
gearbox, a slight roughness can be felt. That
roughness might be caused by the reversing, don't
know. The instruction manual includes a parts
list and exploded view, but it is not clear
enough to see how the thing reverses. The air
vent cuts in the gear housing do not have the
look and feel of high quality.

Ed

Will it cut metal, or is it strictly for wood?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food
 
K

krw

Yep, That's what I thought Joerg was speaking of.

Is the HF just a cheapened version of the Bosch Multi-X?

I haven't seen the HF version up front and personal but the Bosch is
12V Li-Ion battery powered (same battery as their *excellent*
"Impactor" impact screwdriver), where the others (Fein, Dremmel, and
HF) are AC powered. AIUI, the blades are not quite the same and the
HF version has problems with the blade coming loose. Of course the HF
price is 40% of the Dremmel, 20% of the Bosch, and 10% of the Fein. As
is often the case with these tools, the details are in the details.
 
K

krw

Yes, that looks like a nice tool. But one has to also mind the cost of
spare blades, disks and whatnot. The Harborfreight inserts are probably
not the most durable but at least they don't cost an arm and a leg. And
I am pretty sure the more posh mfgs make the mounts incompatible so you
must use their inserts.

I believe that is the case, though easily could be wrong here. Yes,
these bits are expensive, though I'd expect the others to last a lot
longer than the HF. I use HF's smaller utility drill bits and such,
but they certainly aren't Colt Five Stars.
For the occasional home or small biz user the Harborfreight version
might be good enough.

Sometimes (usually) the aggravation of cheap tools isn't worth the
money saved. I learned long ago to stay *far* away from Crapsman
power tools. The only one I have left is a RAS, but it hasn't been
plugged in for over a decade. It may never be again (bought a Delta
Unisaw earlier this year ;) and I have a HF SCMS (which will likely be
replaced by a Bosch within a year or so).
 
E

ehsjr

Jim said:
Will it cut metal, or is it strictly for wood?

...Jim Thompson

They show it cutting copper pipe at the link I posted, but I didn't
try it on metal.

Ed
 
E

ehsjr

Michael said:
Hey Ed
I've got a question for you. What is the diameter of the shaft?

I'm not sure what you have in mind. Do you mean the
armature shaft that is supported by the ball bearings,
or the shaft (they call it "spindle") that comes out
of the gear housing to which you attach the blade?

Ed
 
K

krw

I bought the Rockwell Sonicrafter... inbetween price and performance, I guess.
:)

Hey Keith -- since you have a Bosch PS40A impact driver... have you ever
looked at what appears to be an almost identical twin made by Milwaukee? They
seem to have a lot more small 12V LiIon tools in the lineup... including a
cute little Sawzall that runs on the same little battery.

No, I haven't. I live in sort of a backwater, so haven't seen the
Milwaukees. We have one of their 4.2V drivers at work; junk.

In addition to the PS40A, I have also have the PS20A (came as a
"rebate" item with the PS40A) and just recently bought the PS30A.
Cordless tools have sort of a hook. Once you bite on the
manufacturer, you're kinda in for the whole worm. ...though I also
have Dewalt, an older PC, and even older Makita cordless tools.
 
K

krw

This is actually a common complaint, I found, with not only the HF version but
also the Rockwell Sonicrafter and the original Fein -- essentially all of the
tools that just use a screw to hold the blade in position, so its holding
power is directly related to how tightly you torque the screw down... and not
everyone has He-Man arms.

A report from rec.woodworking was that it is impossible to tighten the
HF screw tight enough, though wasn't enough of a problem to put the HF
tool into the junk category.
The Fein Multimater (newer design with a quick release chuck) apparently
doesn't suffer from this problem. Clever Germans...

Very clever. Patent the tool, then after that runs out patent the
chuck that makes it usable. ;-)
 
T

Tom Del Rosso

ehsjr said:
Vibration:
o No noticable vibration while sanding or sawing

It appears to be an oscillating, not rotating, tool. How did they eliminate
vibrations?
 
J

Joerg

krw said:
I believe that is the case, though easily could be wrong here. Yes,
these bits are expensive, though I'd expect the others to last a lot
longer than the HF. I use HF's smaller utility drill bits and such,
but they certainly aren't Colt Five Stars.


Sometimes (usually) the aggravation of cheap tools isn't worth the
money saved. I learned long ago to stay *far* away from Crapsman
power tools. The only one I have left is a RAS, but it hasn't been
plugged in for over a decade. It may never be again (bought a Delta
Unisaw earlier this year ;) and I have a HF SCMS (which will likely be
replaced by a Bosch within a year or so).


On stuff that you use a lot I agree. The best is my Metabo drill (a very
reputable German brand). I really tortured that thing, stuff like
sanding off the paint of >1000sqft of decking in 10h Marathon-sessions.
The only thing that ever went kaputt in 35 years was the strain relief
area of the power cord, fixed in five minutes.
 
J

Jim Thompson

At 5x the price. If you want to spend another 2-3X, the Fein
MultiMaster is supposed to be a nice tool too. I plan on buying the
Bosch, though.

OTOH, for floor tile it may be worth getting the HF version as a
throw-away.

Happened to be in Lowe's this morning for other reasons, but I checked
out the Dremel... looks like they've fixed the blade holder to be like
Bosch et al.

I'll listen here for awhile longer before making my choice... I mainly
need grout clean-up, but wish they all could do metal.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food
 
K

krw


So it is. I've never seen one. I note that it'll take 12V batteries
too. Maybe...

The Milwaukee is a broken cylinder type. I hate them. I'd rather use
a manual screwdriver.
For awhile I was "all Dewalt," but the Bosch PS40A changed that... I actually
went out and bought a Dewalt impact driver, but at least 9 times out of 10 I
still reach for the Bosch -- the Dewalt is bigger, heavier, and ironically its
being faster is sometimes a drawback. (It does, of course, have more torque
if you actually need it... which I seldom do...)

I have the 18V Dewalts, if I need them. I got them for decks and
such. BTW, if you're in the market for a circular saw, the rear-pivot
Dewalt DW364 is really nice. Another tool I was very pleasantly
surprised by. I got fed up with my old Ryobi (which was a large move
up from a Crapsman).

http://www.dewalt.com/us/products/tool_detail.asp?productID=3027
I was using the Rockwell Sonicrafter on Thursday/Friday to cut out a couple
chunks of wallboard and the plywood behind it (in the ceiling... the chunks
were removed where the wall meets the ceiling... we don't have an attic...) to
run power for a ceiling fan in the master bedroom. It worked quite well,
although the head does get a little hot for comfort under prolonged use.
Still, far less dust than, e.g., a Rotozip-type tool, and a lot easier than
trying to get a jigsaw or reciprocating saw up in the there.

I'm not familiar with the Sonicrafter. It looks like another one of
the multi-tools, perhaps a light weight one?

I use a cordless Rotozip[*], then spend hours cleaning up. ;-)
Actually, I'm looking to replace it too, since I've just about blown
the bearings doing particle board, cement backer board, and tile. It
makes a horrible sound now.

[*] Which reminds me. I gotta find it so I can get its batteries out
of the garage. It's often over 120F in there.
 
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