off topic: Internet Explorer 7

[Parker]

The question is to upgrade or not to upgrade?

Yahoo mail seems to be pushing toward upgrading and Windows Update seems
to want to install IE7 but from what I hear the latest isn't always the
greatest.

Maybe a little bit off topic for this group but it seems that many of
the posters would probably have some experience with upgrading.

 

[George Jetson]

The question is to upgrade or not to upgrade?

Yahoo mail seems to be pushing toward upgrading and Windows Update seems
to want to install IE7 but from what I hear the latest isn't always the
greatest.

Maybe a little bit off topic for this group but it seems that many of
the posters would probably have some experience with upgrading.

I say upgrade, to Firefox 2.0.

 

[Ken Weitzel]

I say upgrade, to Firefox 2.0.

I second that. Go all the way, though. Firefox 2.0.0.1

Ken

 

[Harry Hamilton]

The question is to upgrade or not to upgrade?

Yahoo mail seems to be pushing toward upgrading and Windows Update seems
to want to install IE7 but from what I hear the latest isn't always the
greatest.

Maybe a little bit off topic for this group but it seems that many of
the posters would probably have some experience with upgrading.

IE7 has some pretty cool features, like you can uninstall it which I did
after 2 weeks. The only benefits that I noticed it had over previous
versions was tabbed browsing and a search bar, but Firefox always had those
and Firefox was always a much better browser.

IE7 also has a Phishing filter which was more of a pain in the ass then
anything.

 

[Jamie]

IE7 has some pretty cool features, like you can uninstall it which I did
after 2 weeks. The only benefits that I noticed it had over previous
versions was tabbed browsing and a search bar, but Firefox always had those
and Firefox was always a much better browser.

IE7 also has a Phishing filter which was more of a pain in the ass then
anything.

Yup, and if you had your prior browser set to not ask if you want it to
be the default browser, when install IE7, it does not reset this how
ever, reading your email and clicking on a link which normally takes you
to the browser will then just sit there and do nothing for you.
You have to fish around in IE7 settings and make it the default
browser.. then the click able links in your OL will work.

 

[William R. Walsh]

Hi!

The question is to upgrade or not to upgrade?

I wouldn't, if it were even an option for my computer. (It's running Windows
2000 Pro SP4, and probably will be that way for some time to come.)
Microsoft changed the UI quite a bit by ramrodding the toolbars around,
putting the menu bar underneath them (!!!!) and then removing a lot of the
customizability. Some webpages don't work with it properly. Most publicly
accessible stuff does fine, but just try older stuff like the built-in
webservers on various embedded devices. You will see what I mean, especially
if these devices use active content. Some apps that call upon Internet
Explorer functionality to display certain content may break. I haven't seen
that yet...the only reports I have are those from other people who had
broken apps after the upgrade.

I have received several reports (seeing as my hobby is computer repair) from
people stating that they really didn't like the new UI.

From my own experiences using it, I'm sure that it is a decent browser. I
always liked how Internet Explorer was generally quick to respond, and this
seems true in IE7. What I don't like is the new UI and the pushy "security"
measures that busily try to assure me that I'm going to break my computer if
I allow an unsigned ActiveX control to run, even though the very device or
service is one I would trust...

As much as I liked the comparative efficiency of the "Trident" HTML
rendering engine behind IE, I have given up on it and now recommend Firefox
or Opera as a worthy alternative.

William

 

[William R. Walsh]

Hi!

IE7 has some pretty cool features, like you can uninstall it which I did
after 2 weeks.

Hilarious! (also true, IMHO) Can I quote you on that?

William

 

[Ken Weitzel]

Hi!


I wouldn't, if it were even an option for my computer. (It's running Windows
2000 Pro SP4, and probably will be that way for some time to come.)
Microsoft changed the UI quite a bit by ramrodding the toolbars around,
putting the menu bar underneath them (!!!!) and then removing a lot of the
customizability. Some webpages don't work with it properly. Most publicly
accessible stuff does fine, but just try older stuff like the built-in
webservers on various embedded devices. You will see what I mean, especially
if these devices use active content. Some apps that call upon Internet
Explorer functionality to display certain content may break. I haven't seen
that yet...the only reports I have are those from other people who had
broken apps after the upgrade.

I have received several reports (seeing as my hobby is computer repair) from
people stating that they really didn't like the new UI.

From my own experiences using it, I'm sure that it is a decent browser. I
always liked how Internet Explorer was generally quick to respond, and this
seems true in IE7. What I don't like is the new UI and the pushy "security"
measures that busily try to assure me that I'm going to break my computer if
I allow an unsigned ActiveX control to run, even though the very device or
service is one I would trust...

As much as I liked the comparative efficiency of the "Trident" HTML
rendering engine behind IE, I have given up on it and now recommend Firefox
or Opera as a worthy alternative.

William

Hi...

And should it happen to be of any interest, ie7 dropped the telnet
capability.

Take care.

Ken

 

[Harry Hamilton]

Hi!


Hilarious! (also true, IMHO) Can I quote you on that?

William

Sure. I'm not sure if it was the software or my laptop, but it seems
that IE7 was just a little too bloated.

But then, I am still using Real player G2 and Windows Media player 6.4
and because I don't need 5 different "DVD Player/CD Burner/Jukebox/Music
Download Service/Portable Device Managers in one" programs.

 

[Harry Hamilton]

Hi...

And should it happen to be of any interest, ie7 dropped the telnet
capability.

Take care.

Ken

didn't they also drop FTP client?

 

[Malissa Baldwin]

The question is to upgrade or not to upgrade?

Yahoo mail seems to be pushing toward upgrading and Windows Update seems
to want to install IE7 but from what I hear the latest isn't always the
greatest.

That's because if you don't upgrade you'll get your computer hacked
into.

Maybe a little bit off topic for this group but it seems that many of
the posters would probably have some experience with upgrading.

You're goddamn right this is off topic and if you keep it up i'm going
to report you for abuse.

 

[Malissa Baldwin]

Hi...

And should it happen to be of any interest, ie7 dropped the telnet
capability.

Take care.

Ken

That's because it's not 1983 anymore, cumstain.

 

[kip]

I take it your an Adult MAKE your own decision...
Why make a Decision from some body you don't know.

 

[Parker]

I take it your an Adult MAKE your own decision...
Why make a Decision from some body you don't know.

Sorry Malissa, I was kind of asking people what they think of Internet
Explorer 7 before I make such a decision. They can tell me it's great or
they can tell me it fried motherboards.

Ever hear of Consumer reports and whatever?

 

[Meat Plow]

The question is to upgrade or not to upgrade?

Yahoo mail seems to be pushing toward upgrading and Windows Update seems
to want to install IE7 but from what I hear the latest isn't always the
greatest.

Maybe a little bit off topic for this group but it seems that many of
the posters would probably have some experience with upgrading.

Stay with 6

 

[AZ Nomad]

I say upgrade, to Firefox 2.0.

There are a *lot* of sites that won't run on anything but internet explorer
version 6. If you upgrade to seven, those sites will be unusable.

Microsoft has shot themselves in the foot with their proprietary broken
html "enhancements." The same broken html that keeps firefox from reaching
some sites also keeps internet explorer 7 out.

Eventually those sites will get fixed; in the meantime, use firefox and
keep internet explorer 6 around for those broken sites.

 

[AZ Nomad]

IE7 has some pretty cool features, like you can uninstall it which I did
after 2 weeks. The only benefits that I noticed it had over previous

Are you sure? My understanding is that once you install IE7, there's
no going back without doing a total OS (and application) reinstall.

 

[James Sweet]

There are a *lot* of sites that won't run on anything but internet explorer
version 6. If you upgrade to seven, those sites will be unusable.

Microsoft has shot themselves in the foot with their proprietary broken
html "enhancements." The same broken html that keeps firefox from reaching
some sites also keeps internet explorer 7 out.

Eventually those sites will get fixed; in the meantime, use firefox and
keep internet explorer 6 around for those broken sites.

That and ActiveX, so far I'm not aware of any way of using ActiveX in
Firefox. It's a big security hole in itself but that doesn't stop the
fact that many websites and some cheap network cameras require it to work.

 

[Meat Plow]

Are you sure? My understanding is that once you install IE7, there's
no going back without doing a total OS (and application) reinstall.

IE7 touches many different areas of your operating system. Best to make a
system restore point in XP before you install IE7. Then when tire of it
(you will) you can simply restore back to before you installed it.

 

[Arfa Daily]

Stay with 6

I put it on my machine, largely because MS are not carrying out any further
maintenance support of IE6, which will leave it ( even ) wide ( er ) open to
abuse from those intent on getting into people's machines. I think it's
largely just a case of " If things don't change, they'll stay as they are ".
Yes, the layout looked a bit alien at first, but once I'd customised it a
bit to make it feel a bit more 'comfortable', I quickly forgot that it was
anything new. I actually shut the phishing filter off, because I felt that
it slowed things down a little on some sites. The multiple tabbed windows
are useful, as is the ability to put a whole series of open windows into a
single Favourite.

The machines that I have are very heavily used, and to date, I have had no
particular problems or issues with my IE7 installation.

Arfa