NFPA's Creation of Security Standards/Codes

[Jim]

Central station software companies? Really?

I'd guess that they aren't the ones actually setting up the centrals,
but their employees are going there to help whoever.

12% according to the CIA however I can't think of any central station
operator who has plans of some senators home available to view.

Come on Mark. Man ........ who ties your shoes for you in the morning?

If plans have to be submitted here in the states in order to do an
alarm system and it is public information .......... and ............
someone in a foreign based central station ..........

Uhhhh .... get it?

 

[Bob Worthy]

Certainly that's a given ........ but ...... you know damn well, that
the cost is going to be something like $.25 a month and that there will
be the bottom feeders who just aren't going to let their client know
*where* the monitoring is coming from. It's always been a problem in my
area that there are companies who use centrals in East Jesus, Arkansas.
They get monitoring for a $1.50 a month. The operators don't have a
clue about local geography, events, or culture and I can just imagine
if there were a problem. I'm sure the central would really react with
great dispatch on curing any difficulties or conflicts .......... since
they're 2000 miles away and what are ya gonna do about it (?) Fly down
here tomorrow afternoon and take care of it? Yeh ...... sure!

Central stations without a service presence in the area they are monitoring
is a big problem. There is starting to be some regulation on that. Police
departments, especially ones with an alarm units, are realizing citizens are
being left without a service company. They are being monitored and
dispatched on but have no one to call when service is needed. They continue
to use the alarm, which needs service, and the CS continues to dispatch. The
PD's are starting to require service contracts if they want continued
response.

 

[Robert L. Bass]

12% according to the CIA however I can't

think of any central station operator who
has plans of some senators home available
to view...

Quite right. Besides, they don't need plans of the home. All they need is
the address.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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[Mark Leuck]

Central stations without a service presence in the area they are monitoring
is a big problem. There is starting to be some regulation on that. Police
departments, especially ones with an alarm units, are realizing citizens are
being left without a service company. They are being monitored and
dispatched on but have no one to call when service is needed. They continue
to use the alarm, which needs service, and the CS continues to dispatch. The
PD's are starting to require service contracts if they want continued
response.

Unless the central station owns the account there should be no reason they
need to do anything with service issues other than alerting the installer

 

[Mark Leuck]

I'd guess that they aren't the ones actually setting up the centrals,
but their employees are going there to help whoever.

No doubt about that

Come on Mark. Man ........ who ties your shoes for you in the morning?

The CIA

If plans have to be submitted here in the states in order to do an
alarm system and it is public information .......... and ............
someone in a foreign based central station ..........

Uhhhh .... get it?

The fact that plans for the building may be public information doesn't have
any bearing on where the central station is, you could have that problem
with a local station

In fact I'd say you have less of a chance of problems with Gunga Din in
Bangalore than you would with Jerry in the station next door to you

 

[Jim]

The fact that plans for the building may be public information doesn't have
any bearing on where the central station is, you could have that problem
with a local station

In fact I'd say you have less of a chance of problems with Gunga Din in
Bangalore than you would with Jerry in the station next door to you

Mark = blank wall

 

[no wires showing]

In the instances where your victims are involved all they need to know
is 1st floor windows, right? When you were operating out of your garage
all that was needed was a bullhorn to wake your fat ass up so you'd
realize a signal came in.
I've seen a few of your installs, Pinkie..... Let's throw all of the
windows on the same zone because we're too cheap to buy an expander.

Typical Bass install.

Zone 1- Doors
Zone 2- Windows
Zone 3- Motions
Zone 4- Nada
Zone 5- Nada
Zone 6- Nada
Zone 7- Nada
Zone 8- Nada

22/4 everywhere (other than siren and transformer because that's for
the ultra special 22/2)

 

[Jim]

In the instances where your victims are involved all they need to know
is 1st floor windows, right? When you were operating out of your garage
all that was needed was a bullhorn to wake your fat ass up so you'd
realize a signal came in.
I've seen a few of your installs, Pinkie..... Let's throw all of the
windows on the same zone because we're too cheap to buy an expander.

Typical Bass install.

Zone 1- Doors
Zone 2- Windows
Zone 3- Motions
Zone 4- Nada
Zone 5- Nada
Zone 6- Nada
Zone 7- Nada
Zone 8- Nada

22/4 everywhere (other than siren and transformer because that's for
the ultra special 22/2)

Oh yeah, and don't forget, the tops of double hung windows aren't
important to do because it's just too easy to drill down to the
basement from the sill but SOOOOOO hard to take the molding off to get
a wire to the top of the window. By the way, that's part of his so
called "complete ......... or nothing at all" security system.

Oew Oew, Mista Kotta, Mista Kotta .....I almost forgot. When he did do
the second floor windows, he was able to "drill *** down *** " from the
attic. Or ... or wait a minute, no, maybe he cut a hole in the dry
wall and put a phoney outlet beside each window. Or was that a siren
speaker? No .... no wait, wait, I think he drilled a hole at the top
side of the window, stuck a wire in the bay and ran a snake up to the
second floor from the basement and was able to hook the wire with his
insulation rejecting hook. And, and there's no such thing as fire stops
in *his* walls. They wouldn't DARE put fire stops anyplace he ran a
wire.

 

[Bob Worthy]

Unless the central station owns the account

Which can be the problematic ones

there should be no reason they
need to do anything with service issues other than alerting the installer

Which the customer, in this case, would or should have the number to call
for service anyway. How many of these third party monitoring centers are
monitoring accounts where the installing company is gone? The monitoring
bill didn't get paid so the central took over the account and is billing
directly, but who are they using for service? These guys that put on 10-20
accounts and then go belly up are quite common, leaving the customer
monitored by some clandestine CS with no service provider. We get calls all
of the time because their central told them it was up to them to find
service, so they open the yellow pages. Problem for the customer is that
most companies will not service an account if it is not theirs or the price
for service is through the roof. A call just came in yesterday that one of
the bigs, because the lady did not have their service agreement, wanted $200
to reset her smoke detector and she was their monitored customer. Amazing.
When her agreement is up, I'll bet she will remember her experience with
that company.

 

[no wires showing]

Fire stops????????? Shittttttttttttttttttt there were no studs on the
wire runs he's talked about.
Jim you had to see the disaster he called a system at the Mt Olive
Church. It looked like an evil scientist created a spider that shot
22/2 webs, and used the occassional staple.
The front door contact was literally hanging off the frame, and the
keypad wire was naturally mounted to the panel with the siren right
above it.

 

[Frank Olson]

Fire stops????????? Shittttttttttttttttttt there were no studs on the
wire runs he's talked about.
Jim you had to see the disaster he called a system at the Mt Olive
Church. It looked like an evil scientist created a spider that shot
22/2 webs, and used the occassional staple.
The front door contact was literally hanging off the frame, and the
keypad wire was naturally mounted to the panel with the siren right
above it.

What a load of "bullbass" ("jiminex", "bullfrank" - take your pick).
There's no way Robert would've installed a system like that. His
installations are all *perfect*. Just like those of his DIY customers, who
after about an hour on the phone with him, can install "circles" around any
trained primate (even the ones that are licensed "profeshunils").

;-))