Newbie question: Can I Light a 12VDC LED from 24VAC source?

[taurus]

Newbie question:

I'd like to have an led light from 24VAC (when an HVAC thermostat closes).

I have a few 12VDC leds (automotive) - is it relatively easy to get these to
light from 24VAC? What might the circuit look like - diodes, resistors??

Or are there such things as 24VAC leds?

Thanks

 

[petrus bitbyter]

Newbie question:

I'd like to have an led light from 24VAC (when an HVAC thermostat closes).

I have a few 12VDC leds (automotive) - is it relatively easy to get these
to light from 24VAC? What might the circuit look like - diodes,
resistors??

Or are there such things as 24VAC leds?

Thanks

Most simple solution: A rectifier bridge and two 12V LEDs in series.

petrus bitbyter

 

[John Fields]

Most simple solution: A rectifier bridge and two 12V LEDs in series.

petrus bitbyter

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Disagree:

For If = 20mA
/
24VAC>---[620R]--+--[LED>]--+
1/2W | |
+--[<LED]--+
|
24VAC>----------------------+

 

[Impmon]

Most simple solution: A rectifier bridge and two 12V LEDs in series.

petrus bitbyter

---
Disagree:

For If = 20mA
/
24VAC>---[620R]--+--[LED>]--+
1/2W | |
+--[<LED]--+
|
24VAC>----------------------+

 

[Impmon]

Most simple solution: A rectifier bridge and two 12V LEDs in series.

petrus bitbyter

---
Disagree:

For If = 20mA
/
24VAC>---[620R]--+--[LED>]--+
1/2W | |
+--[<LED]--+
|
24VAC>----------------------+

Blah last post got sent too quick.

24v AC can't be used to drive a single 12v LED for a good reason. The
AC voltage is usually measured in RMS (Root Mean Square) and is not
the same as peak voltage. With half a wave to light the LED, you
would have an "average" voltage of 24v and peak voltage of about 34v
and this will fry 12v LED quickly. A 620 ohms resistor above will
help but l'd think 1k resistor is safer.

Putting 2 LEDs close together, 1 in reverse from other, will give the
illusion they are always lit. If you use only 1 LED, you'll get a
noticeable flicker like cheap LED christmas lights.

 

[John Fields]

Most simple solution: A rectifier bridge and two 12V LEDs in series.

petrus bitbyter

---
Disagree:

For If = 20mA
/
24VAC>---[620R]--+--[LED>]--+
1/2W | |
+--[<LED]--+
|
24VAC>----------------------+

Blah last post got sent too quick.

24v AC can't be used to drive a single 12v LED for a good reason.
The AC voltage is usually measured in RMS (Root Mean Square) and is not
the same as peak voltage. With half a wave to light the LED, you
would have an "average" voltage of 24v and peak voltage of about 34v
and this will fry 12v LED quickly. A 620 ohms resistor above will
help but l'd think 1k resistor is safer.

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What kills LEDs (when charge is flowing through them in the forward
direction) is overheating because of excessive power dissipation,
and as far as heating the LED and the resistor goes, 24VRMS is
exactly the same as 24VDC. Moreover, since each LED is only on 50%
of the time they'll each be dissipating 240mW instead of 480.

 

[taurus]

Thanks for taking the time to reply - I'm off to the components store now!