New idea for oscillator

[ratstar]

Ive just got this crazy idea, where I was thinking an oscillator pretty much is a capacitor, in a loop with another capacitor (with a controlled voltage of course.), and back and forth it goes pinging off its transistors.

I was wondering, it seems like it would be a lot of work, but if u instead of using a feedback loop, you actually play out the twin state in a tree like fashion and u can get all the pulses down a linear array of wires at the output! There would be a million wires for a megahert. (thats a 1000x1000 fat fist wad of wires.) if you were charging it back and forth for a second, with a million pathways.
The cool thing, is youd know the hz of your oscillator just by looking at the pathways.

So its like a binary tree, and of every right node, it has a short to fill a slowdown capacitor, so every time it goes right, it waits a step, and every time it goes left, it gets it straight away.

If you didnt want to go crazy pearling out a megahert million wires, it still would be good for adding extra rotations that maybe your logic requires, if your osc has only 2 states to begin with, u can get more.

 

[(*steve*)]

Ive just got this crazy idea, where I was thinking an oscillator pretty much is a capacitor, in a loop with another capacitor (with a controlled voltage of course.), and back and forth it goes pinging off its transistors

Yep, that's a crazy idea.

It might be worth investigating what an oscillator actually is.

 

[ratstar]

In your definition what is it?

 

[(*steve*)]

Oh, wait, wait. Lmgtfy!

 

[hevans1944]

Oh, wait, wait. Lmgtfy!

Hey! Hey! Hey! I followed that link and it led to other links. And when I looked at all of them, nowhere did I find a 1000 x 1000 fat fist full of wires! So maybe this IS a crazy new idea! Well, crazy anyway. But wait! What if I want a 0.1 Hz oscillator? Does that require a tenth of a wire? Much more detailed information is required of @ratstar, including schematic drawings, wire gauges and wire lengths, theory of operation sans hand waving, maybe some photographs of a working prototype. You know... engineering sh!t, no smoke and mirrors. Or maybe someone could move this thread from General Electronics Discussion to the Twilight Zone.

 

[LvW]

It might be worth investigating what an oscillator actually is.

Here is one of the general definitions:
Oscillators are systems producing timing information without any external information.
An example of a simple mechanical oscillator is the pendulum clock

 

[Harald Kapp]

@ratstar Have you ever heard of a ring oscillator?

 

[Ratch]

Ive just got this crazy idea, where I was thinking an oscillator pretty much is a capacitor, in a loop with another capacitor (with a controlled voltage of course.), and back and forth it goes pinging off its transistors.

I was wondering, it seems like it would be a lot of work, but if u instead of using a feedback loop, you actually play out the twin state in a tree like fashion and u can get all the pulses down a linear array of wires at the output! There would be a million wires for a megahert. (thats a 1000x1000 fat fist wad of wires.) if you were charging it back and forth for a second, with a million pathways.
The cool thing, is youd know the hz of your oscillator just by looking at the pathways.

So its like a binary tree, and of every right node, it has a short to fill a slowdown capacitor, so every time it goes right, it waits a step, and every time it goes left, it gets it straight away.

If you didnt want to go crazy pearling out a megahert million wires, it still would be good for adding extra rotations that maybe your logic requires, if your osc has only 2 states to begin with, u can get more.

What kind of oscillator? Sine wave, square, pulse, what? There is plenty of material in textbooks and the internet to keep you busy studying.


Ratch

 

[AnalogKid]

an oscillator pretty much is a capacitor, in a loop with another capacitor (with a controlled voltage of course.),

No, it isn't.

and back and forth it goes pinging off its transistors.

You are (very poorly) trying to describe a multivibrator circuit, but that is only one type of oscillator out of dozens.

"it goes ..." - What is "it"?

And, what is "pinging"?

ak

 

[ratstar]

I think you guys actually understood what i said to some degree due to what you replied,
so ill keep my boasting to myself, whats the use of giving good ideas away.

 

[BobK]

You could use a long wire to delay a signal and feed it back to an input in an oscillator. Not sure that is what you are talking about though.

Bob

 

[LvW]

You could use a long wire to delay a signal and feed it back to an input in an oscillator. Not sure that is what you are talking about though.
Bob

Bob - do you think, such a device will oscillate?
I am afraid it will lock.

 

[Harald Kapp]

WIth an inverting amplifier that's exactly the configuration of an oscillator. See the examples here and replace the lumped RC elements by distributed RC elements as in a long wire.

 

[AnalogKid]

ill keep my boasting to myself,

I think that's a good plan. What you described is incorrect in so many ways...

whats the use of giving good ideas away.

No fear of that.

ak