New Home Build Help Needed

[Mark Leuck]

HAHAHAHAHA... it is soooo easy to push your buttons!!!

If you really want to protect your family, you would go for tactical
training like I did.

Tell me something, what will your local law enforcement do when your alarm
goes off.... kick in the door and go storming around looking for bad guys?
Guess again... you could be bleeding to death with your assailant standing
right next to you.

Actually I've seen the aftermath of just that (except for the bleeding to
death part)

If they see no obvious signs of a break-in and no one
answers the door, they won't do anything... and they'll even send a bill to
you for a "false alarm"... hopefully they won't be sending it to a

funeral.

Sometimes yes but sometimes no

It's a shock that I was right that you're a dealer. You are such a great
businessman... you must have studied under Dale Carnegie. Repeat after
me... "I will get Nunya Business with an attitude like this."

The cop neighbor thing was a joke, as another cop friend of mine was
standing over my shoulder when I wrote it. He laughed and called me an ass.
He did get broken into a couple years ago in another neighborhood... funny
thing was that he was home when it happened, and that was the sorriest piece
of human waste that night!

Yea I wonder what would have happened had he not been home?

I would like to extend a sincere thanks to all of the people who
constructively criticized me. The part I didn't consider was fire alerting.
Sometimes I get caught in the present rather than into the future. My kids
are at the age where they are never home, but when they get older and can
stay home alone for an evening, I would rather that 911 would be called for
a fire... kids can tend to panic in those situations. Since I'm new to
this, shouldn't there be a way for your system to directly notify 911 that a
fire alarm has been tripped? I guess it might come down to local
regulations.

Yup, having a system direct dial 911 is illegal in most cities

 

[Mark Leuck]

My God! If you deal with someone from this newsgroup you better keep one eye
open while your sleep at night!

1. Which eye do you open at night?

2. Do you alternate eyes?

3. Doesn't that eye dry out after a few hours?




5. What if you have a fake eye? Is it still okay to open it at night?

6. Does it make any difference if you are severely near-sighted and can't
see?

7. If you are near-sighted and can't see can you wear glasses?

8. What if you are blind in one eye?

9. What if you are blind in both eyes?

10. What if you are cross-eyed and can only see double? Does that then mean
you would have to open one eye part-way to see?

11. If you are married does the spouse also have to keep one eye open?

12. If the spouse doesn't have to keep one eye open while you do can you
then alternate between you and the spouse?

13. Why would you be buying alarm equipment online while you are asleep at
night?

14. HOW would you buy alarm equipment online while you are asleep at night?

15. What would you be looking for if you slept with one eye open at night?
We are all on the internet and far far away, I assume you turn the computer
off at night so you'd be staring at a blank monitor which is kinda dumb

16. Don't get me started on if the pets have to keep one eye open too, thats
a bit hard to train into them...unless of course they had a false eye then
we've sorta already covered that

Just curious

 

[Aegis]

Robert Bass wrote:
"For all burglar alarm sensors run 22/4 solid (22-gauge, 4-conductor)
cable."

Out of curiousity, why you specifically recommend solid conductors for
sensors? I prefer stranded...

 

[Frank Olson]

You are correct that hard wired is the best way to go. If at all possible
you'll want to run your cables just after the electrician finishes his work.
That way your stuff is less likely to be damaged by other tradesmen.

For all burglar alarm sensors run 22/4 solid (22-gauge, 4-conductor) cable.
This is untwisted -- the same wire that telephones used to use. Powered
sensors for motion and glass breakage detection require 4 conductors (2 for
power and two for the "loop"). Magnetic door and window sensors only need 2
conductors but those extra wires will come in very handy if a staple should
go awry or if you decide to add something later on.

For smoke detectors you need to use cable that is rated for use with power
limited fire alarm circuits. It's usually red jacketed, 18/4 gauge solid
core.

Home run all burglar alarm sensors. Daisy chain the smoke detectors.

Unless you want to smoke detectors to annunicate on their own zones by floor
for instance - basement, main floor, second floor, garage (use heat
detectors here, not smokes) then home run the wires. Some control panels
offer remote zone expansion. This allows you to home run all the cables on
the top floor (for instance) to a central location there. If you're going
to go this route, make sure you read the manufacturer's recommended wiring
requirements for the remote drops. Always run a seperate two conductor run
of 18 gauge wire to each expander location (for powering devices terminated
there).

Run 18/2 stranded cable for siren speakers and the plug-in low voltage
transformer which goes into an unswitched outlet. Even if it's not going to
be monitored be sure to run a piece of 22/4 solid to connect the panel to
the phone line. This run *must* be a separate wire from the "protector"
where the phones come into the house to the alarm panel.

If the house is set back from the road or if you think it will otherwise
benefit in making it more obvious which home has a problem, consider running
some 22/4 for an outside strobe, say under the eaves or near the peak on a
side wall somewhere out of the weather.

Keypads also use 22/4 in most modern alarms. Run a cable from the panel to
the nearest keypad. Run another cable from there to the next and so on.
From the last keypad run an extra cable back to the panel via a different
route. This will make the system fault tolerant to a single cut in the
keypad wiring -- sometimes very handy when you have to run wires before the
sheetrock monk... er, installers arrive. :^)

Most (if not all) panel manufacturers recommend home running the keypad
wires. I'd suggest you do so. Run two quads to each keypad location. Use
the manufacturer's suggested wire gauge. Whatever you do *don't* use Cat 5.
If for some reason you wish to add addtional powered devices, you may have
to run them from a seperate power supply (if you exceed the panels aux power
output). Digressing from the manufacturer's suggested installation
instructions is *never* a good policy.

 

[Aegis]

Solid core is less likely to cause problems, especially when inexperienced
hands are at work. Stranded core can leave a stray strand loose with
disastrous results every once in a while.

Ah.. That's why we solder the ends... Nothing wrong with solid... Have to
use it for fire systems anyways (except for speaker ckts). We always run
fire wire for the keypad, power, etc so we are compliant if we ever have to
add fire to the system.

 

[Jackcsg]

There probably is a reason you don't see a Cadillac dealer also peddling
Hyundai, just as much as a one person who sees the Hyundai as adequate
transportation vs. what a person who drives a Cadillac recognizes as
adequate. It's a level of value they both recognize, but are totally
different in cost. When you step back and actually analyze the residential
market, from my perspective, the concept of making money seems bewildering.
More time less money, low RMR, with the hopes that over a long period of
time the money starts to add up. I have nothing wrong with that concept for
those who choose it, some excel, most don't on the smaller side of things. I
love to here dealers bitch about where they need to be, to be competitive,
vs. where they should be to have some value. It's the difference between
longevity, and anxiety. The ways to maximize RMR are out there, even with
what you have now. The question is not is it actually out there? The
question is would you change if you discovered it? It is out there....

Jack

 

[Frank Olson]

Tinning the ends is one way to avoid problems. I know one tech who likes to
use stranded cable but he also applies spade lugs to the ends of the cable
in the cabinet. For me that's just way too much trouble. I can do a neat
cabinet in half the time using solid core. Besides, it's much easier
servicing without spade terminals. When I have to use stranded wire I just
tin the leads like you do.

Uh huh... Sure...

http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=al...8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3552b69d.35105547@news&rnum=1

And then there's this:

http://groups.google.ca/[email protected]&rnum=2

This:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=a...&ie=UTF-8&selm=3550aa3d.405987883@news&rnum=1

When's the last time you wriggled your fat butt through an attic hatch to
run cable?? Enlighten us oh great alarm Guru Bassnak...

 

[Joe Blowe]

wow! it is amazing that a guy could ask for help and get such moronic
fucking answers! it sounds like everybody has a chip on their shoulder about
Bobby Bass or RFI.
Personally I used a CaddX NX8 fastpack.It has 8 built in zones and is
expandable to 48. It comes with a motion detector, batery backup, lcd keypad
and other stuff, reasonably priced at http://www.smarthomeusa.com ( and many
other places carry it) and find it to be sufficient. I would recommend
monitoring it although some companys are bad at doing the job I am sure you
can find a reputable one for about $10 a month for just monitoring. Take
whatever advice with a grain of salt as most of these people have a chip on
their shoulder but do have legitimate experience.
Good Luck!
Dave in St. Louis

 

[Buddy Bob]

Thanks for the info.

wow! it is amazing that a guy could ask for help and get such moronic
fucking answers! it sounds like everybody has a chip on their shoulder about
Bobby Bass or RFI.
Personally I used a CaddX NX8 fastpack.It has 8 built in zones and is
expandable to 48. It comes with a motion detector, batery backup, lcd keypad
and other stuff, reasonably priced at http://www.smarthomeusa.com ( and many
other places carry it) and find it to be sufficient. I would recommend
monitoring it although some companys are bad at doing the job I am sure you
can find a reputable one for about $10 a month for just monitoring. Take
whatever advice with a grain of salt as most of these people have a chip on
their shoulder but do have legitimate experience.
Good Luck!
Dave in St. Louis

 

[Mark Leuck]

How much is peace of mind worth?

$16.53 cents, I did the calculations this morning on the flight

 

[alarman]

Mark Leuck wrote

$16.53 cents, I did the calculations this morning on the flight

That's exactly what my upgrade to digital cable cost! Amazing!
js

 

[Mark Leuck]

Mark Leuck wrote

That's exactly what my upgrade to digital cable cost! Amazing!
js

You forgot to factor in the hidden costs Cox will add later tho, in your
case peace of mind costs $85.47 if you include Showtime

Note I didn't say it was WORTH $85.47 because I'm still shaken from the
Janet Jackson/Justin Timberlake debacle

 

[Mark Leuck]

Subject: Re: New Home Build Help Needed
From: "Mark Leuck" [email protected]
Date: 2/14/2004 4:21 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <vjwXb.316066$na.469878@attbi_s04>




$16.53 cents, I did the calculations this morning on the flight



Mike Said:
He said MINE Leuck, not ass

In your case peace of mind is worth $3.26 which is the cost of a Budweiser
while looking for spooks at Sam's Bar & Grill in Edison NJ

http://www.hauntednewjersey.com/

 

[Frank Olson]

In your case peace of mind is worth $3.26 which is the cost of a Budweiser
while looking for spooks at Sam's Bar & Grill in Edison NJ

http://www.hauntednewjersey.com/

It's even cheaper on Tuesdays... )

 

[G. Morgan]

In your case peace of mind is worth $3.26 which is the cost of a Budweiser
while looking for spooks at Sam's Bar & Grill in Edison NJ

Careful Mark..... Bass is going to call you a racist now!

 

[Mark Leuck]

Careful Mark..... Bass is going to call you a racist now!

Here boy, wanna cookie? come here....fetch!

 

[Mark Leuck]

Subject: Re: New Home Build Help Needed
From: "Mark Leuck" [email protected]
Date: 2/14/04 7:18 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <CVyXb.39236$uV3.67870@attbi_s51>


Budweiser
while looking for spooks at Sam's Bar & Grill in Edison NJ

http://www.hauntednewjersey.com/
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I'm putting the tin foil suit on as we speak

I wouldn't if I were you, I suspect that is what caused Mike's mental
problems in the first place