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Yes, but you see...

Expence to install initial facilities - MINE
Expence to maintain facilities - UTILITY

Well, one out of two ain't bad You are right about the up front logic,
but the utilities don't have any money. They just take it from the
customer, and use it to keep putting up the downed lines, year in and
year out, for decades now, so I can see that they are not motivated to do
anything less expensive, or different than they have always done. Short
term thinking is all that it is.

Also, underground utilities are not maintance free. Flooding and water
penetration are a major problem, as are the fact that rodents seem to
like chewing on them. Also, the problem of someone digging a new fence
in right through your utilty line, etc.

This sounds reasonable, but there are a lot of areas in the country where
the lines are buried, so I am guessing that technology is allowing for it
more and more, given the proper environment, and perhaps there are some
forward thinking people in charge, somewhere, who see the financial
benefit over the long term? <shrug>

I would assume that the lines are not buried as just wire, but it goes in
conduits, right? Given a better kind of enclosure, much of what you say
could be avoided?

The lines are under ground in my area, and for the most part, we have no
outage problems during storms. Across the valley, folks were out of power
for three weeks a few winters ago, while they went around with trucks and
poles putting everything back together, in the worst possible weather
conditions. When I see them putting the poles and the lines back up, I
just have to wonder what exactly they are thinking, and I wonder where the
outrage is from the consumers in the first place?

Of course, these are the same consumers who, when the power went out for
three weeks in the dead of the winter, they complained long and loud about
how they were freezing cold in their own living rooms, and then they
bitched about how the food in the refrigerator and their deep freezers all
was ruined since they couldn't keep it cold.......... It is a strange
planet we live on....


JB

 

[Charlie Edmondson]

In <[email protected]>, on 04/21/05



Well, one out of two ain't bad You are right about the up front logic,
but the utilities don't have any money. They just take it from the
customer, and use it to keep putting up the downed lines, year in and
year out, for decades now, so I can see that they are not motivated to do
anything less expensive, or different than they have always done. Short
term thinking is all that it is.




This sounds reasonable, but there are a lot of areas in the country where
the lines are buried, so I am guessing that technology is allowing for it
more and more, given the proper environment, and perhaps there are some
forward thinking people in charge, somewhere, who see the financial
benefit over the long term? <shrug>

I would assume that the lines are not buried as just wire, but it goes in
conduits, right? Given a better kind of enclosure, much of what you say
could be avoided?

The lines are under ground in my area, and for the most part, we have no
outage problems during storms. Across the valley, folks were out of power
for three weeks a few winters ago, while they went around with trucks and
poles putting everything back together, in the worst possible weather
conditions. When I see them putting the poles and the lines back up, I
just have to wonder what exactly they are thinking, and I wonder where the
outrage is from the consumers in the first place?

Of course, these are the same consumers who, when the power went out for
three weeks in the dead of the winter, they complained long and loud about
how they were freezing cold in their own living rooms, and then they
bitched about how the food in the refrigerator and their deep freezers all
was ruined since they couldn't keep it cold.......... It is a strange
planet we live on....


JB

Yep, there are a lot of benefits for the buried utilities, but since you
have to dig through and under the right of way to bury the conduits. In
an established neighborhood that means cutting trees (a big no-no)
burrowing under roads, getting access to peoples land for big trucks,
etc. If it was easy, they would do it, cause it would save them money.

Also, even though the cable is pulled through conduit, and into sealed
manholes and underground vaults, they STILL get water, gas, and rodents
in them. There are always some leaks, and holes, so you have to build
everything like it will be installed underwater. But it does work!

Charlie

 

[douglas dwyer]

Yep, there are a lot of benefits for the buried utilities, but since
you have to dig through and under the right of way to bury the
conduits. In an established neighborhood that means cutting trees (a
big no-no) burrowing under roads, getting access to peoples land for
big trucks, etc. If it was easy, they would do it, cause it would save
them money.

Also, even though the cable is pulled through conduit, and into sealed
manholes and underground vaults, they STILL get water, gas, and rodents
in them. There are always some leaks, and holes, so you have to build
everything like it will be installed underwater. But it does work!

Uk is mostly buries utilities.
I dont understand why hollow sidewalks/pavement areas are not universal
to provide quick access. Here we are always digging then up

 

[Dirk Bruere at Neopax]

Uk is mostly buries utilities.
I dont understand why hollow sidewalks/pavement areas are not universal
to provide quick access. Here we are always digging then up

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