My AC digital clocks run fast. Cheap fix?

[Dori]

Buy radio clocks. They update to the atomic clocks in Boulder.

That is, if they can even receive the signal from the Atomic Clock in
Fort Collins.

 

[Peter]

Your VCR and DVR do not rely on the AC line freq.
So, your entire post where you piss and moan about this "problem" is
moot, because there is NO problem, other than the one that resides
between your ears.

Why do you question my ability to be able to tell time? The clocks on my DVR
and VCRs run fast. How could or would you know otherwise?

They BOTH use the same kind of clock a computer uses, which is from
your initial setting, and a 32.768 crystal oscillator.

And my Win XP computer automatically goes periodically to a time standard web
site (nist.gov) to correct any drift that might otherwise happen. Not my
add-on, it's part of XP (as you probably know, since I see that you are a Forte
agent newsreader user).

IF the DVR uses a subscription service, THEY update your clock.

As I said previously, if you would have taken as much time to read my original
posting as you are spending on spewing your hysterical insults you would not
have made this irrelevant comment. I have already said that I do not use a TV
subscription service, I get my reception over the air.If you are having problems with your cheap, off-brand crap

electronics, use the radio clock to periodically (you do know that word,
right?) update your shit electronics' clocks.

By what supernatural powers do you claim to know the brands of my equipment?
You may not think much of Toshiba, Sony, but they are probably at least in the
mid-range of quality for consumer electronics.

Sheesh, you still have a VCR in your SHIT gear stack?

Two of them. Enjoy the thought!

P.S. Don't bother responding as I've set up a filter to send your electrons
straight to the Junk folder - which is better than they deserve.

 

[krw]

The DVR most certainly uses a PC clock scenario, and the VCR may as
well.

Wrong. DVRs have no Internet connection, DimBulb.

So YOU do not know what got incorporated into either one either, you
COMPLETELY WRONG twit!

Nope. I keep telling you that *YOU* are AlwaysWrong, DimBulb.
Everyone here seems to know this but you haven't gotten your hands out
of mommy's hamper long enough to have it sink in.

 

[daestrom]

It is easy to see how a single power plant can change the frequency for
an isolated system.

How does a "regional system operator" make fine adjustments in the
frequency of an interconnected grid?

Well, the simple answer is, "By raising/lowering the speed of the
connected generators."

The more complicated answer has to do with many generators are running
as base-load where the governor is *not* the item controlling
steam/power flow into the generator. And a few generating units *are*
running as 'regulating units', where power flow into the generator is a
function of the generator's speed.

To raise the system frequency, the sysop can call a *non-regulating* and
has them pick up more load. This slowly raises the system speed and as
speed rises the regulating plants shed some load as they speed up. If
the regulating units are adjusted well, they will all shed load in
similar percentages. The result is the base-load unit is carrying more
load and the grid frequency is now maintained at a higher level by the
less-loaded regulating units.

You can get the same effect by raising the governor setting of one or
more regulating unit. But raising the setting on only a few regulating
units causes them to pick up load away from other regulating units. So
naturally you call them and ask them to speed up a bit. So 'adjusting'
all the regulating units can take a while.

Which way you choose to go depends on how well the various regulating
units are balanced and how evenly loaded your base-units are and other
factors (hydro have complex water policies).


At least that's how it used to be done. Now with deregulation you have
to also consider all sorts of price schemes where one base unit might be
obligated at one price while another is contracted to deliver a certain
amount of power corresponding to a particular customer agreement.

Also, nowadays computer programs also keep track of various contract $$
and unit limits and distribution line limits. A pretty fair amount of
prediction of what load will be needed hour-by-hour and more. Many
regulating units now can be controlled over at least part of their load
range from the sysop using SCADA computer systems. Of course as with
any computer, GIGO (garbage-in, garbage-out).

daestrom

 

[krw]

Up to a certain point, the gyro mass of the rotor will cancel that.
For that type of motor, that is.

You're a hoot DimBulb. The mass of the rotor won't cancel any long
term effects, you ass.

Many differences can be attributed to momentary outages as far as the
long term differential you described.

That's how the clocks run fast? What an idiot you are, AlwaysWrong.

 

[krw]

If it gets thrown off, it is NOT a successful "clock design" and
therefore does not even qualify as a clock at all. So none of you idiots
gets to call the failed designs "a clock" because NONE of them qualify.
You got that, you idiots?

AlwaysWrong is always so wrong.

Function is a prerequisite for use of the term. PROPER function.

Tweet! Illegal procedure! Ten yard penalty. You didn't call time-out
before you moved the goal posts, DimBulb!

Which is why you are completely clueless about it. You do not know
what the term function means, much less along with the modifier "proper".
The latter rings true in your case in particular.

The more you type the more you get wrong, AlwaysWrong. Better stop
now.

 

[krw]

Here are some more of his sock puppets for you to filter:

You're slipping Michael. You haven't added pie-eyed prick or
MaoEatsDung to DimBulb's DimBulb's mommy's hamper contents list yet.

 

[Pieyed Piper]

That is, if they can even receive the signal from the Atomic Clock in
Fort Collins.

That transmitter is the only thing on that frequency, and the carrier
is quite strong.

I do have issues updating one of my clocks, as I have to find a spot
where it can successfully receive. The radio clock that I plug in updates
immediately on a power reset. I think it may be grabbing another
transmitter's signal. Maybe the Hawaii one.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_clock

 

[Pieyed Piper]

Why do you question my ability to be able to tell time? The clocks on my DVR
and VCRs run fast. How could or would you know otherwise?

What is in question is not your capacity to examine a display, dorkass.

What is in question is your capacity to have decided that they were tied
to the line frequency when you have no clue what circuitry resides in the
devices.

The fact that you could not discern such a simple premise is quite a
tell as well.

 

[Pieyed Piper]

And my Win XP computer automatically goes periodically to a time standard web
site (nist.gov) to correct any drift that might otherwise happen.

Not always. Not automatic either. It has to be set up that way, and
it is not the default.

Not my
add-on, it's part of XP (as you probably know, since I see that you are a Forte
agent newsreader user).

What a dope. It is not about what I am using. It is about knowing
what is being used.

A computer ONLY updates online if it is setup that way.

I do NOT set mine up that way, because I DO want to know how much, if
any drift my PC's clocks may or may not have.

 

[Pieyed Piper]

By what supernatural powers do you claim to know the brands of my equipment?

Um... inaccurate clocks.

One does not hear of such things from name brand devices, so it was
easy to arrive at. It MAY not be true, but since you are withholding
instead of declaring what you have, the feeling sways even further toward
that assumption, asshole.

 

[Pieyed Piper]

You may not think much of Toshiba, Sony, but they are probably at least in the
mid-range of quality for consumer electronics.

And you know what types of clocks they utilized how? Did you get the
schematics?

 

[Capt. Cave Man]

Two of them. Enjoy the thought!

You're retarded.

P.S. Don't bother responding as I've set up a filter to send your electrons
straight to the Junk folder - which is better than they deserve.

You're a total retard, in fact. Announcing your filter file edit
sessions is the second most retarded thing a ditzy Usenet user like you
can do.

The top spot is for filtering to begin with. Your behavior is pathetic,
in fact.

This information is better than you deserve.

 

[Pieyed Piper]

Wrong. DVRs have no Internet connection, DimBulb.

A PC clock does not need the Internet, you retarded twit.

It is a 32,768 kHz crystal.

Show me where I said anything about an Internet connection, retard boy.

 

[Pieyed Piper]

That's how the clocks run fast? What an idiot you are, AlwaysWrong.

So, you are saying that phase differences always cause a positive shift
in such a clock?

The remarks mean that you are the idiot. Generally, such differences
are random, and in both directions, so the resultant change at the clock
would be negligible to nil. In your world, phase differences are always
such that an AC Line tied clock will always advance farther as opposed to
receding.

You should recede.

 

[krw]

A PC clock does not need the Internet, you retarded twit.

It is a 32,768 kHz crystal.

Show me where I said anything about an Internet connection, retard boy.

AlwaysWrong, crystals make *CRAPPY* clocks. You'll not get much
better than a few minutes a month from a raw PC clock, DimBulb. The
AC line is *far* more accurate. What a dumbass, Dimbulb.

 

[krw]

So, you are saying that phase differences always cause a positive shift
in such a clock?

A drift can be either.

The remarks mean that you are the idiot. Generally, such differences
are random, and in both directions, so the resultant change at the clock
would be negligible to nil. In your world, phase differences are always
such that an AC Line tied clock will always advance farther as opposed to
receding.

AlwaysWrong is, surprise, wrong again.

You should recede.

That reminds me. How is your mother doing? Did you get your conjugal
visit last weekend?

 

[krw]

You're retarded.

You're a total retard, in fact. Announcing your filter file edit
sessions is the second most retarded thing a ditzy Usenet user like you
can do.

The top spot is for filtering to begin with. Your behavior is pathetic,
in fact.

This information is better than you deserve.

Wow! Five responses to one post from DimBulb. ...after *two* raids
on his mother's hamper, no less. I'm positively green with envy.

 

[Pieyed Piper]

AlwaysWrong, crystals make *CRAPPY* clocks. You'll not get much
better than a few minutes a month from a raw PC clock, DimBulb.

Bullshit, you retarded twit. PC clocks can be as accurate to only be
off by a few seconds per month. I have NEVER seen a PC clock that was
off by more than a minute over the entire year.

You always embellish your total bullshit with so much kiethtard
bullshit that it is obvious that your nothing more than a full of shit
twit.

The
AC line is *far* more accurate. What a dumbass, Dimbulb.

Which further proves that he doesn't know what the **** he is talking
about. Nor do you.

 

[Pieyed Piper]

A drift can be either.

Contradict yourself much, retard?