LCD or Plasma

[Mr.T]

Surprisingly, watching movies on DVD.

I use my TV to do that too. I'm glad then that I don't need a Plasma *AND*
an LCD to watch both. How awful, not to mention expensive.

Most of the regular TV watching gets done in the (bright) kitchen/
living room on the LCD, but that's no place to relax and watch a movie
for several hours. That's what the dark loungeroom, comfy leather
couches, 5.1 surround and bigger screen plasma is for.

Or two much cheaper CRT screens like I have, (In fact I have three, and all
3 combined still cost less than either of yours I'll bet)

guess.

No apples with apples.

Or maybe you just can't tell the difference between an apple and a banana?

If you really think a Hires LCD can only be compared to a standard def CRT,
then I agree with you.
And I also agree that a 480 line plasma is inferior too.
By default that makes a HiDef CRT best, so we are not disagreeing after all.

Of course I know which one wins there, 480 lines on the plasma does
not cut the mustard. It does not even let you see Region 4 PAL DVD's
or SD Digital TV at their full resolution (576 lines).

I'm glad you agree.

The reason I don't compare them is because they are not in the same
market, so that would be comparing apples with oranges.

HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not in the same market would apply to comparing a low cost standard def CRT
to a FAR more expensive Hires LCD or plasma, rather than compare with a
still cheaper HiDef CRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can't get
a plasma under 40" or so, and you can't get a CRT over 32" or so, they
are two entirely different market segments.

Agreed, IF size is the only consideration.

LCD's on the other hand are designed to replace replace CRT in the
smaller screen market, so it is fair to compare those. And I don't
think there are any LCD's under 768 lines (I stand to be corrected
though), so the resolution is a whole lot better than standard def
CRT's.

And you still insist on comparing LCD to the far cheaper standard def CRT's
rather than the still cheaper HiDef CRT's, just to make some stupid point.

The only thing you have proven is that you haven't even seen the real
competition, so your whole rant is completely pointless.

I'm still waiting for your list of 32" LCD monitors with HiDef tuner for
$1000 that you think beat the LG 32FS4D? That would be comparing at the same
price point at least!

MrT.

 

[David L. Jones]

I use my TV to do that too. I'm glad then that I don't need a Plasma *AND*
an LCD to watch both. How awful, not to mention expensive.

*yawn*
This is indeed getting very boring MrT
You think I bought both types and have two sets because I *have* to?
No, I *wanted to*.

I had a top-of-the-line 76cm widscreen European CRT that was only a
couple of years old, but I wanted to upgrade to a larger screen, as a
great majority of people do these days.

Or two much cheaper CRT screens like I have, (In fact I have three, and all
3 combined still cost less than either of yours I'll bet)

I'm incredibly happy for you.
I would rather have *one* of my big screen, smaller, lighter, and much
better looking TV's to your 3 smaller, heavier and uglier CRT's any
day, thanks.

Agreed, IF size is the only consideration.

Most people want bigger and better looking screens these days, didn't
you know?
In the smaller market segment people prefer LCD over CRT for many
reasons, that is why CRT's are almost dead.

And you still insist on comparing LCD to the far cheaper standard def CRT's
rather than the still cheaper HiDef CRT's, just to make some stupid point.

I'm doing that because that is basically all you can see and get in
most shops. I bet the average Joe doesn't even know you can get hi-def
CRT's, not that they would care I suspect, as they like LCD better
even if they are more expensive.
Hi-def CRT's came along far too late, they have missed the boat
completely and get hardly any shelf space in the shops (as do most
CRT's now).
Hi-def CRT's will *never* sell and will die an early death, stock up
now dude.

It is clear we are making two entirely different points, neither of
which is "stupid".

Dave.

 

[David L. Jones]

Oh, another advantage of LCD over CRTs (even your beloved LG hi-def
I'm sure) I don't think I've mentioned (only in relation to plasma),
CRT's suck in bright light conditions. The glare and washed out
colours are awful, LCD perform much better in this respect.

Dave.

 

[Mr.T]

*yawn*
This is indeed getting very boring MrT

So true, and yet you still want to flog a dead horse.

<snip more garbage>

MrT.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

Sure, but what are the average stats re percentage of screens returned
in X years etc?
If you are in the TV repair business then you are obviously going to
see lots of TV's in for repair :->
What are the common failure modes?
etc...

There are LG plasma, Sharp LCD, and JVC plasma TVs in the Serviceman's
Log in the latest issue of Silicon Chip mag. The JVC was deemed
uneconomical to repair due to "faulty scan and control modules", the
LG required a new Z SUS board, and the Sharp needed a kit of smt
parts. I can see that in the near future all appliance "repairs" will
be done by trained monkeys. Maybe someone should start an appliance
wrecking yard.

- Franc Zabkar

 

[James]

Speaking of CRT, monitors will be there for a while.
LCDs just do not have same color reproduction as CRTs do and you can not
make small high-res plasmas.

Rudolf

Since CRT sets are no longer produced,

What crap!

what are you going to do when you can no longer have this type of

technology.

Hope that something better than LCD/Plasma is developed.

I remember when high end solid state sound systems came out. Even a few
years later, there were people saying that solid state sound systems
were
crap. At least, even today, if you want to spend a big amount of
dollars,
you can have a good tube amplifier. ]

Good example, you can pay far more money for far less performance if you
really want.

But, with CRT's there will soon be zero availability.

Which is what they said about valve amps 40 years ago!

One of the big problems with the CRT technology was the disposal
problem.
When disposing of CRT's there are many environmental problems. This was one
of the reason for its disappearance.

Who was it that said "news of my death appears to be premature" (or
something like that

Another problem with CRT sets, is that there are some X-Ray emissions,
and
heavy EMF emissions. This is a possible health hazard. The government
here
in Canada and the UK have been raising their safety standards. There are no
CRT sets that can pass these new regulations.

Regulations are another issue entirely. I'll bet the manufacturers simply
choose not to bother since demand is too low.

MrT.

Interesting you should say that Rudolf. I always thought the same thing, but
have noticed most graphic designers (Well the ones I deal with anyway) are
using LCD displays, despite the colour gamut limitations. Although mybe they
have little choice with a new Mac, I don't know. And let's face it, they are
the majority of Mac users

James

 

[mark krawczuk]

hi, lcd tv`s are absolute crap , ever noticed the blacks are not really
black ???? and as soon as you go to the side a bit it looks crap.
plasma , only way to go .
mark k

 

[Mr.T]

Interesting you should say that Rudolf. I always thought the same thing, but
have noticed most graphic designers (Well the ones I deal with anyway) are
using LCD displays, despite the colour gamut limitations. Although mybe they
have little choice with a new Mac, I don't know.

Did you ask them how much their professional LCD monitor cost though?
Even the Apple Cinema display is not satisfactory for much professional
graphic work IMO.
Of course it is fine for some uses though.

MrT.

 

[James]

Did you ask them how much their professional LCD monitor cost though?
Even the Apple Cinema display is not satisfactory for much professional
graphic work IMO.
Of course it is fine for some uses though.

MrT.

I was at one of the establishments today and the Apple HD Cinema display IS
what one of the graphic artists and the production manager were using. The
others were using what looked to be run of the mill 19" displays.

James

 

[Mr.T]

I was at one of the establishments today and the Apple HD Cinema display IS
what one of the graphic artists and the production manager were using. The
others were using what looked to be run of the mill 19" displays.

Which just proves you can use *anything* that your are happy with, if you
are prepared to put your name on the work

MrT.

 

[Matthew Kirkcaldie]

Which just proves you can use *anything* that your are happy with, if you
are prepared to put your name on the work

Well, actually it shows that the people doing the design are not the
people who are most concerned with colour accuracy. For critical work,
that would usually be entrusted to a prepress agency who colour-correct
images on calibrated monitors before they go to press. Designers often
bypass prepress these days because automatic profile-based colour
matching is good enough 90% of the time. For serious work requiring high
quality, you wouldn't find the designer doing it him/herself, nor would
you find the colour correction being done on an Apple display or similar
mid-range LCD. Or an LCD at all, most likely (with the exception of
that LED backlit thing whose manufacturer I can't recall).

Cheers, MK.

 

[Mr.T]

"Matthew Kirkcaldie" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
..

Well, actually it shows that the people doing the design are not the
people who are most concerned with colour accuracy.

It shows no such thing, just THOSE people.
There is just as much variation among professional peoples decisions,
quality of work, and cost, as the community at large. Why would you expect
anything else?

For critical work,
that would usually be entrusted to a prepress agency who colour-correct
images on calibrated monitors before they go to press. Designers often
bypass prepress these days because automatic profile-based colour
matching is good enough 90% of the time. For serious work requiring high
quality, you wouldn't find the designer doing it him/herself, nor would
you find the colour correction being done on an Apple display or similar
mid-range LCD. Or an LCD at all, most likely (with the exception of
that LED backlit thing whose manufacturer I can't recall).

Mostly true, but still depends on each individual and their definition of
"critical work".

MrT.