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Dave Plowman (News)
Mid '30s - and 240v AC from the start.
Not really. Domestically, for GP recepticals, there is only the the one
basic standard with a few minor variation, all backwards compatible to
the parallel blade two prong plug.
Technically likely not. But there is a two round pin plug that will fit
into most of Europe's sockets, and the CEE7/7 (AKA Shucko) which will
fit into a subset of those.
I can see that a modern three pin socket might accept older plugs, but
the other way round?
I can see that a modern three pin socket might accept older plugs, but the
other way round?
N Cook said:Helps ?
It must be easier learning Japanese than learning to differentiate all
that
lot and then ominously on top of that sections marked "Reserved for Future
Configurations"
Is it subsets of that lot for each state or each utility company or a
total
mish-mash ?
I dont see how. Cooking fire risks certainly differ by socio-economic
group, but I dont think electrical fire risks vary much. Things are
perhaps different in the US.
20mA is the typical figure for our standard 30mA RCDs, but most fire
causing faults are not detected by RCD, and most properties dont have
an RCD.
But that is a separate issue to fault current discriminaiton.
There's about 3 different types of receptacles you'll find in a US
residence, the rest on that list are either industrial stuff or obsolete
things you might find in the occasional 1950s or earlier house.
Generally you'll find mostly 15A 120V grounded types, then the clothes
dryer will have a 30A 240V receptacle and the kitchen stove will have a
50A 240V receptacle. Other high powered items like an electric furnace,
water heater, spa, etc will be hard wired. Sometimes you'll find a 15
or 20A 240V receptacle in the garage for something like an air
compressor or small arc welder but these are generally added by the
homeowner. It's really not very complicated.
I know the UK has a number of plugs and receptacles in the same
category, I've got a small pile of various oddballs from over there
right here.
Dave Plowman (News) said:Not really. In a domestic environment anything that can't be plugged into
a 13 amp outlet will be hard wired. Including cookers, water heaters,
showers, etc. A very posh home workshop may use BS 4343 industrial types
though as some machine tools on single phase may need more than 13 amps.
Three phase domestic supplies are pretty unusual.
There is no such thing as an *EU* plug.
Thankfully it's one thing they haven't tried to standardise.
Technically likely not. But there is a two round pin plug that will fit
into most of Europe's sockets, and the CEE7/7 (AKA Shucko) which will fit
into a subset of those.
There is a plug which will 'fit' but isn't up to the maximum rating of
those outlets. So really of little use.
The lack of appropriate machanical stress handling is my biggest rejection of
the American type 130V power plug system, in addition to extremely poor design
of those flat contact receptacles, which wear out very easily, giving poor
contact with all bad things to follow..
I've replaced a number of two prong outlets in my house (vintage 1928)John said:Not in my experience. I've owned houses that were first wired in the
early 1900's, and I don't recall ever having a bad wall outlet. Most
of the really old ones have been replaced, not because they failed but
rather because they had to be upgraded to accept a 3-prong plug.
A decent 3-prong molded plug, plugged into even a cheap (79 cent) dual
wall outlet, seems to be perfectly reliable. Our biggest problem is
cats chewing on the cords, some of which seem to be tastier than
others.
John
James said:There's about 3 different types of receptacles you'll find in a US
residence, the rest on that list are either industrial stuff or obsolete
things you might find in the occasional 1950s or earlier house. Generally
you'll find mostly 15A 120V grounded types, then the clothes dryer will have
a 30A 240V receptacle and the kitchen stove will have a 50A 240V receptacle.
Other high powered items like an electric furnace, water heater, spa, etc
will be hard wired. Sometimes you'll find a 15 or 20A 240V receptacle in the
garage for something like an air compressor or small arc welder but these
are generally added by the homeowner. It's really not very complicated.
I know the UK has a number of plugs and receptacles in the same category,
I've got a small pile of various oddballs from over there right here.
James said:a round pin 2 amp plug that says it's for table lamps which oddly enough has
three prongs just like the big clunky plugs, got a few of those
The lack of appropriate machanical stress handling is my biggest rejection of
the American type 130V power plug system, in addition to extremely poor design
of those flat contact receptacles, which wear out very easily, giving poor
contact with all bad things to follow..
Wolfi said:Am 29.06.07 11.50 schrieb Eeyore:
Sure it is!
Here you are wrong.
The Euro plug is a flat, 2 prong, 4mm round contact plug, with pins 17mm
apart, fitting into regular 16A/240V outlets, but meant only for low power
devices. Its current rating usually is only 2,5A and they are widely used for
connecting consumer electronics (where the other end of the cable often is
pluggable too, having the 8-shape socket, if you look at it, with 2 small
receptacles 10 mm apart), small AC/DC power supplies, 240V to 2...24V
transformers and such.
They fit into the round 5mm receptacles of German type 3 contact "Schuko"
sockets, where the plug body actually dives into the outlet cover by some
20mm, allowing it to take on mechanical forces applied to the cable, rather
than having the contacts themselves deal with it.
Just the opposite. The Euro plug is not designed that you can travel
across Europe with your 3680W water boiler and plug it in everywhere,
but for all those <= 575W gadgets, people like to have with them, while
they are travelling, but also for devices being fully insolated, hence
mot requiring the protective ground like VCR, TV, RCR, audio
amplifiers, satellite receivers, battery chargers, etc, etc.
I've replaced a number of two prong outlets in my house (vintage 1928)
because the outlets failed in just the manner described. I don't know
the actual vintage of the particular sockets involved--although it's
pertinent that no two were the same, leading me to believe that they
themselves were later replacements for the originals.
In some cases it was possible to easily rewired with grounded 12/2 romex
from the breaker box. In others, where that was not practical, the
two-prongers were replaced with new outlets--also two prong.
These are still available and should be used if upgrading to a properly
grounded outlet is not done.
In any case, IME the OP's statement is entirely accurate. The
edison-style outlets are either inherently--or at least 'as
implemented'--prone to losing secure contact.