If NASA scientists are right, the Thames will be freezing over again.

[Winston]

John Larkin wrote:

(...)

If you were to (somehow) plot mean human welfare against mean
planetary temperature, I'd guess we're currently located at an
up-slope, wild guess +5% per degree C.

I'm sure you are right.

The meanest humans I know are doing much better
than average.


--Winston<-- The meaner the better, too.

 

[John Devereux]

On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:36:08 +0000, Raveninghorde

amdx wrote:
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service


Some of the rivers are already in the process of freezing over:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/n/a/2012/02/03/international/i055420S51.DTL

[...]


Cold enough here that watefalls have frozen

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16892848

Ice skating in the fens in Eastern England and -22C reported in the
Netherlands.

Good grief. Cold kills.

Well, as the old saw says, it's an ill wind that blows nobody good.
We've had an Indian summer that lasted all the way through January. The
last couple of nights it's been about freezing, but we've hardly had a
frost all winter. On Groundhog Day, everyone was saying that they
didn't care if ol' Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow or not, because
another 6 weeks of _this_ winter would be no big hardship.

Folks elsewhere that aren't used to it are having a bad time, though.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

It's been balmy and sunny in San Francisco this week, and overall warm
and dry so far this winter. That's nice for walking and gardening, but
bad for skiing and for the water supply.

If you were to (somehow) plot mean human welfare against mean
planetary temperature, I'd guess we're currently located at an
up-slope, wild guess +5% per degree C.

Now plot it against local temperature.

 

[Glenn]

Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service

"The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an
inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing
the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.

The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to
rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the
Thames in the 17th Century.

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was
issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of
East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in
world temperatures ended in 1997."

Guess What? There's controversy!

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ight-Thames-freezing-again.html#ixzz1kx6soAc2


Mikek

Hi!

You simply has to read this article:

The heat period (1937-1947) variability and extreme weather "drowns"
compared to the weather the last 10-15 years! (see among others figure
5, 7 in the article):

10 November 2011, Climate Variability and Climate Change: The New
Climate Dice:
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2011/20111110_NewClimateDice.pdf


And GW do not exclude severe winters:


Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (2010, November 17).
Global warming could cool down northern temperatures in winter.
ScienceDaily:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101117114028.htm
Citat: "...
"Recent severe winters like last year's or the one of 2005-06 do not
conflict with the global warming picture, but rather supplement it."
....
Warming of the air over the Barents-Kara Sea seems to bring cold winter
winds to Europe. "This is not what one would expect," Petoukhov says.
"Whoever thinks that the shrinking of some far away sea-ice won't bother
him could be wrong. There are complex teleconnections in the climate
system, and in the Barents-Kara Sea we might have discovered a powerful
feedback mechanism."
...."


Compare this to the "tiny" GW. Comparison between 2000-2010 with
1937-1947 hot period - earth middle temperature has risen 0.44°C
compared to the 1937-1947 hot period:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...010&base1=1937&base2=1947&radius=1200&pol=reg

/Glenn

 

[[email protected]]

That last line pretty much sums up the current state of climate
modeling.

Isn't that pretty much expected from a chaotic system?

 

[Jamie]

We already know that you are an ignorant twit. There's no need to keep
reminding us of the fact.

You say we? Are you speaking for others or the voices in your head?


Btw, I noticed it took you long enough to dig yourself out of that 6"
of snow that fell over there? Guess that socialist's snow removal isn't
much better than the rest of the services they provide.


Jamie

 

[josephkk]

How will I know? : )

Hey Bomber, learn how to get your news client wanna-be (google groupers)
to quote a little of the previous post so that normal news readers can
figure out what you are replying to. Usenet is not a blog. A common
mistake of web-weenies writing web clients for Usenet (notably including
both Yahoo and Google).

?-)

 

[beryl]

John Devereux wrote: ...

No, I just think that some of them were rather dishonest and have
exhibited ethically questionable behavior.

Well, that's pretty watered down. Here is some genuine conspiracy mixed
in with dishonesty and questionable ethics.

<http://arstechnica.com/science/news...k-tank-pays-climate-contrarians-very-well.ars>

http://tinyurl.com/6m766sh

This is a nice piece:
"Effort will focus on providing curriculum that shows that the topic of
climate change is controversial and uncertain—two key points that are
effective at dissuading teachers from teaching science."

 

[John Devereux]

Well, that's pretty watered down. Here is some genuine conspiracy
mixed in with dishonesty and questionable ethics.

<http://arstechnica.com/science/news...k-tank-pays-climate-contrarians-very-well.ars>

http://tinyurl.com/6m766sh

This is a nice piece:
"Effort will focus on providing curriculum that shows that the topic
of climate change is controversial and uncertain—two key points that
are effective at dissuading teachers from teaching science."

Ha ha yes I saw that piece too. Does seem to confirm what Bill has been
going on about!