Honda vs. Kipor

[JoeSP]

Is the extra cost of the Honda worth the money?

 

[SQLit]

Is the extra cost of the Honda worth the money?

I do not have a clue who or what a kipor is. I have seen lots of Coleman's,
generacs bite the dust and the Hondas run on and on. If quiet and
reliability are an issue. Honda is one of the best.

 

[Ecnerwal]

comment was the Honda 2000 and the Kipor look alike physically except the
Honda is red and the Kipor is yellow.

Which has nothing to do with how they are built inside. There is a
standard method for building junk machinery in China, and it involves
copying the look of something that actually works. It often involves
using the cast parts of something that works as the molds to make new
castings (which will be slightly smaller). Quality of castings,
bearings, precision, all that stuff - lousy. But you can look at a
picture and think that "the only difference is the paint color", because
the junk marketers know you do that.

In woodworking machinery, it is in fact the case that the same Taiwan or
China factory may turn out 5 brands of tool with different paint colors.
However, the cheaper tools may not only have lower quality bearings -
they may be the reject castings from the higher priced tools.

 

[Vaughn Simon]

Is the extra cost of the Honda worth the money?

FWIIW, There is also this unit to consider.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=226084 Although they sell lost of
chain saws at Home Depot, I don't think that Mcculloch makes any of their own
stuff and this may simply be a rebadged Kipor, or even something worse. At
least it is distributed (and warrantied by) a company that is on this side of
the pond.

 

[JoeSP]

FWIIW, There is also this unit to consider.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=226084 Although they sell
lost of chain saws at Home Depot, I don't think that Mcculloch makes any
of their own stuff and this may simply be a rebadged Kipor, or even
something worse. At least it is distributed (and warrantied by) a company
that is on this side of the pond.

I don't know how anyone can warranty something without test data. I'm sure
there is a MTBF (mean time before failure) number somewhere, and someone is
banking on it for their business plan.

 

[You]

Honda and Yamaha engines are legendary. There are reports of 10,000+ hours
on engines, of course with exceptional attention to oil changes, etc.

10K hours is just abit beyound "Broken In" for a Diesel Engine.....

 

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per You:

10K hours is just abit beyound "Broken In" for a Diesel Engine.....

What is it about diesels that they run so long between overhauls?

 

[JoeSP]

The oil and gas is mixed and they call it deisel...LOL

A diesel does not have spark plugs.

 

[You]

Per You:

What is it about diesels that they run so long between overhauls?

It really depends on the construction of the diesel engine. A lot of
these new high Rpm Diesels don't get the same hours that a good old
low Rpm heavy duty industrial diesel engine get. 1800 Rpm instead of
3600 Rpm is the first clue. Long Stroke, High Torque, is the second clue.
Big bearings, Pressure Lube System, with lots of BaseOil Capacity, is
the third clue. Liquid Cooling with Constant Temp Thermostat that holds
the block temps at about 180F, is the fourth clue. I know of some
Listers, that have more than 140K total hours and still going strong,
with NFrame rebuilds every 40K hours. Some of the Japaneese engines
have regularly gone 50K, with topends at 25K, before NFrame rebuilds
were done. MItsubushi, Yanmar, and Kubota make most of the under
50Hp (25Kw to you Genhead Guys) engines these days. Again it is
the design and construction that bring these kind of hours. Buy cheap,
and rebuild often, buy wise and rebuild once or twice in a lifetime.

 

[You]

Wrong again, Flare-breath. You just don't stop, do you?

Several diesel wankel engines have been designed and presented as
running prototypes. Probably the best known is the Rolls-Royce diesel
cycle Wankel engine developed for the British government in 1971 with
an aim toward tank propulsion.

Google could save you all that embarrassment of being wrong on a daily
basis.

John

John, you just have to understand that SolarFart lives out on the
Midwestern Plains, of Canada, and he isn't "Well Read".......

 

[Derek Broughton]

John, you just have to understand that SolarFart lives out on the
Midwestern Plains, of Canada, and he isn't "Well Read".......

I'm pretty sure it's just another plot to blame Canada...

 

[JoeSP]

John, you just have to understand that SolarFart lives out on the
Midwestern Plains, of Canada, and he isn't "Well Read".......

That's the dumbest comment so far. Living there has nothing to do with
being uninformed. All the stats for many decades now have shown that the
lowest level of education is in the bigger cities, and the best scores come
from the midwest region.

How that for being well-read?

 

[You]

That's the dumbest comment so far. Living there has nothing to do with
being uninformed. All the stats for many decades now have shown that the
lowest level of education is in the bigger cities, and the best scores come
from the midwest region.

How that for being well-read?

Ah, but SolarFart lives so far out, that his nearest Library is outside
his walking range, and he is still not "Well Read"........

 

[Gerald L R Stubbs]

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Honda and Yamaha engines are legendary. There are reports of 10,000+ hours
on engines, of course with exceptional attention to oil changes, etc.

As is usual, one pays extra for quality and longevity.

I would not consider a Kipor unless you can find the Chinese engine
manufacturer's website.

Over here (UK) there have been large sales of Chinese gensets which are
fitted with Honda (gas) and Yanmar(diesel) engines. The engines are
fakes and only look like what they are meant to be. They are not
badged-up Honda or Yanmar, but look identical, and in fact carry no
maker's name. The gensets are sold under many different names, made up
by the importer and stuck on the side of the machine.

Spares are impossible to source and quality is very poor. They do not
last long, even with very frequent oil changes. The alternators often
burn-out or die.

China is presently where Japan was in the early 50's . Wait till they
get going and start making quality, which they will, and are already
doing in the electronics field.

 

[Derek Broughton]

I had a Honda eu2000 last about 12,000 hours. Someday I will
repair/replace
the engine. I would expect a Kipor to last 1000 hours (wild guess here).
How much are you going to use it?

When my Honda finally died I bought another one just like it. I looked at
the Kipors but since I already have enough things to do I didn't buy it.

LOL. I've had my EU2000i for 18 months and used it for 70 hours. So if it
last me 12,000 hours - well, I won't last that long If it lasts me
1000 hours (not outrageous - I'm not good with motors), I plan to still be
here and I'll replace it with whatever is the equivalent state of the art
at the time. I don't see the "value" of buying cheap. If I'm going to use
it so much I want 12,000 hours out of it, then I want to buy quality. If I
need it for an emergency backup (which I do) I want something I can be sure
starts every time I need it - even when it hasn't been used for three
months (I had to turn mine on this morning - just about exactly 3 months
since last use).