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C

Charlie

Is anyone who has bought or sold monitoring accounts recently willing to
disclose what multiplier for their monthly rates was used to establish
the value of the accounts?

I've still got a few accounts I'm considering selling & need to know
what a 'fair' figure would be. The accounts pay only for monitoring; no
service contract is included in the monitoring fee.

Thanks,

Charlie
 
S

Stanley Barthfarkle

How long is your average contract? Is it an annually-renewing 1 year term?
Need specifics.
 
C

Charlie

I currently bill once per year. I also currently overpay for the
monitoring (rates were set over a decade ago & I've never re-bid them),
so whoever buys the accounts will clear more money than me, even if they
don't up the rates at the end of the terms.

What would you pay for a profit of say, $140 a year, with no service
contract involved, just monitoring? All my customers pay for service as
needed.

Thanks,
c
 
R

Robert L Bass

Is anyone who has bought or sold monitoring accounts recently willing to
disclose what multiplier for their monthly rates was used to establish
the value of the accounts?

I've still got a few accounts I'm considering selling & need to know
what a 'fair' figure would be. The accounts pay only for monitoring; no
service contract is included in the monitoring fee.

Most of my accounts were on annual contracts. Most were also
long-term customers. I got 36 multiple. We billed annually in
advance so that reduced the payout by roughly 6 multiple since
we'd already received payment from the clients.

If I'd wanted to hold out I suppose I could have gotten more but
I sold the business during my divorce and really just wanted to
get it done. One guy I know who had 3-year recurring contracts
was able to get 42 months less prepayments.

One of the issues will be the strength and assignability of your
contracts. Another consideration will be the time you've held
them. Longer is better, obviously. The types of hardware,
service obligations, etc., can all come into play.

You might also want to chat with one of the companies that
specialize in handling sales of alarm accounts to get an idea
what they think your accounts are worth.

Good luck.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
C

Charlie

Robert said:
Most of my accounts were on annual contracts. Most were also
long-term customers. I got 36 multiple. We billed annually in
advance so that reduced the payout by roughly 6 multiple since
we'd already received payment from the clients.

If I'd wanted to hold out I suppose I could have gotten more but
I sold the business during my divorce and really just wanted to
get it done. One guy I know who had 3-year recurring contracts
was able to get 42 months less prepayments.

One of the issues will be the strength and assignability of your
contracts. Another consideration will be the time you've held
them. Longer is better, obviously. The types of hardware,
service obligations, etc., can all come into play.

You might also want to chat with one of the companies that
specialize in handling sales of alarm accounts to get an idea
what they think your accounts are worth.

Good luck.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
Hmmm...I've been out of active work in the alarm business since around
'94 (all these accounts are at least that old); how do I contact these
brokers?

The 1st offer I got was waaay less than what you mentioned so I figured
it was worth asking here.


I'm grateful for the help.

Charlie
 
R

Robert L Bass

Hmmm...I've been out of active work in the alarm
business since around '94 (all these accounts are
at least that old); how do I contact these brokers?

You must have done a good job if you've kept them all that long.
The 1st offer I got was waaay less than what you
mentioned so I figured it was worth asking here.

If the hardware is good quality, the workmanship clean and the
contracts are solid, older accounts are often worth more than
"average".

I have no affiliation with either of the following. This isn't a
recommendation -- just information. The second link is to a firm
that offers an alternative to selling your accounts.

http://www.alarmdealerservices.com/
http://www.smartmonitoring.com/dealerprogram/Security_Affiliates/dealer_benefits.html

Good luck.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
B

Bob Worthy

The 1st offer I got was waaay less than what you mentioned

That is because he doesn't know his ars from page 8 about most of what he
posts to. RLB has this never ending problem of being the industry mavin. In
other words, he has a story, an opinion or some sales pitch for every item
that pops up here. Some of what he says is true, which, by just hanging out
here gets him some knowledge, but as far as putting to much faith is what he
says, my suggestion is to get a second opinion.
so I figured it was worth asking here.

There is alot to consider by both parties and the market has it peaks and
valleys. There are people funding accounts, and people buying companies. The
big competition to buy accounts between some of the bigger companies has
slowed a bit, so those high multiples are hard to find. To tell you the
truth, if your accounts are relation type accounts, you may not want to sell
to these type companies anyway. The next item is the amount of accounts you
have. The multiple is higher for larger volumn. The language contained in
the contract is important. Are they, contractually, assignable? Do they
contain limits of liability, third party indemnification, ect.? Do you have
service records on these accounts? Do you have alarm activity records on
these accounts? Do you have AR records on these accounts? Are they
residential or commercial or what percentage of each? If commercial, are any
of them UL certified? Are there radios or cell units on these systems? New
contracts are worth more than ones that are in a renewal cycle. What I am
getting to is that multiples will ultimately be decided upon, after there is
a due diligence exercise. There will be (usually) a hold back on what ever
multiple is agreed upon. If you do not stay involved, through this hold back
period, don't expect it to be there after the term expires. There will be
fall out and the other company will charge you back for these. By you
staying involved to actually handle your account base for the buying
company, through the hold back period, will eliminate the majority of this.
Bottom line is there is no cut and dry answer to your question. It is a
supply and demand type scenerio. Presently, I have heard of 24 to 32 times
from ligitimate buyers. Anything higher is most likely a tickler to get in
the door and ends up less after due diligence. The only two deals that were
a ligitimate 42 times were from Devcon with a 50 million dollar and a 65
million dollar acquisition, and there were two full blown UL central
stations that went along with the deals. At any rate, before you start
talking to mulitple people, get a confidentiality agreement signed from
each, because they will be into your records.

Good Luck!
 
B

Bob Worthy

in message
You must have done a good job if you've kept them all that long.


If the hardware is good quality, the workmanship clean and the
contracts are solid, older accounts are often worth more than
"average".

I have no affiliation with either of the following. This isn't a
recommendation -- just information. The second link is to a firm
that offers an alternative to selling your accounts.

http://www.alarmdealerservices.com/
http://www.smartmonitoring.com/dealerprogram/Security_Affiliates/dealer_benefits.html

See what I mean.....he just has to post and is usually throwing people to
the wolves.

Where are you located?
 
F

Frank Olson

Robert said:
I have no affiliation with either of the following. This isn't a
recommendation -- just information. The second link is to a firm
that offers an alternative to selling your accounts.

<snip> So what's the difference between what I do at
http://www.yoursecuritysource.com (in listing companies -- for
information) and what you do again??
 
J

Jim

Charlie said:
Hmmm...I've been out of active work in the alarm business since around
'94 (all these accounts are at least that old); how do I contact these
brokers?

The 1st offer I got was waaay less than what you mentioned so I figured
it was worth asking here.


I'm grateful for the help.

Charlie
I would like to give you a warning.
Robert Bass likes any new comers to this group to think that he is an
authority on everything. I would suggest that you be wary of his
seemingly helpful guise. In spite of the fact that he's built a large
web store, he does not install systems, has no affiliations or
association with the alarm installation trade, is unlicensed, only
sells parts and hasn't even touched an alarm part for 5 or more years,
much less know anything more about the installation trade, than what he
picks up here. He has no warehouse and no actual store or business
from which he conducts business. He simply works from his home and has
all parts shipped from various vendors around the country. He used to
own a small alarm company and if he EVER got a 42 multiple on his
accounts, I'd suspect that he got it at gun point. You see, in addition
to his deplorable conduct here, he's a convicted felon for a gun crime
and is also responsible for someones death. By the way, if this weren't
true he would be able to sue me or at least deny it. He can do neither.

His reputation here is deplorable. If you would care to do a search you
will see that , he constantly ridicules and argues any point made by
anyone else or with anyone who would make other suggestions. His sole
purpose here is to sell equipment and tries to accomplish that by
ridiculing installation companies and acting with a pompous and
arrogant attitude. If you take the time to peruse the postings in this
group, you will see that he has caused turmoil and disruption in this
group and a few other groups and has done so for years and years. 90%
of the flames that occur in this group are directed at or caused by
him.

There is not a participant in this group who doesn't help people who
come here seeking advice but they do not disparage the installation
trade or ridicule competitors out of shear arrogance and greedy self
interest, as Bass does.

Bob Worthy has given you some good an more realistic advice.
 
J

Jim

Charlie said:
Hmmm...I've been out of active work in the alarm business since around
'94 (all these accounts are at least that old); how do I contact these
brokers?

The 1st offer I got was waaay less than what you mentioned so I figured
it was worth asking here.


I'm grateful for the help.

Charlie
I would like to give you a warning.
Robert Bass likes any new comers to this group to think that he is an
authority on everything. I would suggest that you be wary of his
seemingly helpful guise. In spite of the fact that he's built a large
web store, he does not install systems, has no affiliations or
association with the alarm installation trade, is unlicensed, only
sells parts and hasn't even touched an alarm part for 5 or more years,
much less know anything more about the installation trade, than what he
picks up here. He has no warehouse and no actual store or business
from which he conducts business. He simply works from his home and has
all parts shipped from various vendors around the country. He used to
own a small alarm company and if he EVER got a 42 multiple on his
accounts, I'd suspect that he got it at gun point. You see, in addition
to his deplorable conduct here, he's a convicted felon for a gun crime
and is also responsible for someones death. By the way, if this weren't
true he would be able to sue me or at least deny it. He can do neither.

His reputation here is deplorable. If you would care to do a search you
will see that , he constantly ridicules and argues any point made by
anyone else or with anyone who would make other suggestions. His sole
purpose here is to sell equipment and tries to accomplish that by
ridiculing installation companies and acting with a pompous and
arrogant attitude. If you take the time to peruse the postings in this
group, you will see that he has caused turmoil and disruption in this
group and a few other groups and has done so for years and years. 90%
of the flames that occur in this group are directed at or caused by
him.

There is not a participant in this group who doesn't help people who
come here seeking advice but they do not disparage the installation
trade or ridicule competitors out of shear arrogance and greedy self
interest, as Bass does.

Bob Worthy has given you some good an more realistic advice.
 
J

Jim

alarman said:
snip
You're repeating yourself, Grams. Getting old's a bitch, eh?
js

Well, ya see there is a difference.

I don't have a choice.

You choose to be a cock sucker. And also it's unsanitary and you don't
care.
 
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