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Me

GeekBoy said:
Oh yeah suuuuree...that is why for the longest time the Chevy diesel v8
engine was just a gasonline engine that had been converted to use diesel.

About the only parts that are the same between the two engines are the
Block, and the oiling system. The Heads, crank, cam, valves, pistons,
connecting rods, and most of the fuel system are totally different.
It would cost more to buy the replacement parts than just buy a complete
engine. what part of "uneconomical" don't you understand??????


Me who knows a dumb idea, when I read one.............
 
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Dave Hinz

Guess you're not familiar with that history, son. The story from GM
was that they went round and round with:

Who are you answering, Barry? You give no context.
 
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Nottingham

GeekBoy said:
True but was hoping someone made a conversion kit..new head and an injector
to replace the carb.

Why not just buy a diesel engine and toss the existing one? Gas engines
aren't built to handle the higher compression loads of diesel.
 
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Arnold Walker

Nottingham said:
Why not just buy a diesel engine and toss the existing one? Gas engines
aren't built to handle the higher compression loads of diesel.
Because of the still weak demand for old diesels ......you can buy the whole
vehicle
for less than a gas engine by itself.Seem some contractors replacing the six
cylinder gas
engine in a van with a mercedes diesel that way.
Granted ,mercedes have jumped from 25% of gas engine car prices to half
price in past year.
But that is still cheaper than gas engine prices. I figure it won't be long
before they are more
as gas price rise.
If you do that. Get a manual transmission(only 1 in about 15 were) ,but it
will make a better truck
setup for towing.And well, what trucks are supposed to be doing when they
are not cruising the mall.
And get a good automotive shop that is into driveshaft work.Mercedes run
hydradualic clutches...
to give you some idea on the linkage work.
A turbo 3liter is 132hp and 4?? ...double a gas 6 cylinder at 200ft/lbs.
assuming you pulling a trailer.
Not rolling the winning lap at Daytona.
 
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Arnold Walker

Because of the still weak demand for old diesels ......you can buy the whole
vehicle
for less than a gas engine by itself.Seem some contractors replacing the six
cylinder gas
engine in a van with a mercedes diesel that way.
Granted ,mercedes have jumped from 25% of gas engine car prices to half
price in past year.
But that is still cheaper than gas engine prices. I figure it won't be long
before they are more
as gas price rise.
If you do that. Get a manual transmission(only 1 in about 15 were) ,but it
will make a better truck
setup for towing.And well, what trucks are supposed to be doing when they
are not cruising the mall.
And get a good automotive shop that is into driveshaft work.Mercedes run
hydradualic clutches...
to give you some idea on the linkage work.
A turbo 3liter is 132hp and 4?? ...double a gas 6 cylinder at 200ft/lbs.
assuming you pulling a trailer.
Not rolling the winning lap at Daytona.
Another possible engine swap is you have a Heavy Chevy dually......
Check out used schoolbuses in the area.
Them, Allison automatics are one tough transmission for a diesel powered
vehicle.
If the bus drives good without the transmission seesawing between shifts on
hard pulls.
And common sense on the engine condition.
You got a powerplant that outpulls that 454 gashog and gets good fuel
economy to boot.
And many cases,schoolbuses are dirt cheap for what you are getting.
 
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Steve Spence

Arnold said:
Because of the still weak demand for old diesels ......you can buy the whole
vehicle
for less than a gas engine by itself.Seem some contractors replacing the six
cylinder gas
engine in a van with a mercedes diesel that way.
Granted ,mercedes have jumped from 25% of gas engine car prices to half
price in past year.
But that is still cheaper than gas engine prices. I figure it won't be long
before they are more
as gas price rise.
If you do that. Get a manual transmission(only 1 in about 15 were) ,but it
will make a better truck
setup for towing.And well, what trucks are supposed to be doing when they
are not cruising the mall.
And get a good automotive shop that is into driveshaft work.Mercedes run
hydradualic clutches...
to give you some idea on the linkage work.
A turbo 3liter is 132hp and 4?? ...double a gas 6 cylinder at 200ft/lbs.
assuming you pulling a trailer.
Not rolling the winning lap at Daytona.


I'll take all the old diesels folks want to donate. Charitable Tax
Deductions apply.
 
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samc

Robert said:
It is possible to run a gas engine on kerosene or diesel but it is still an
spark ignition, not compression ignition. The engine must be warmed up on
gas and then switched to the other fuel. Briggs and Stratton had a factory
engine around 10 hp many years ago with a dual chamber fuel tank. Many of
the gas tractors from the 30's to the 50's also could burn alternate fuels.
arr yes I have t20 furgie with a tvo (tractor vapourising oil) eng .
the mix verys but a commom one is 20% petrol and 80% other oil's .
the oil is heated by the exsorst/inlet as it is the same casting .
 
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Richard W.

GeekBoy said:
Oh yeah suuuuree...that is why for the longest time the Chevy diesel v8
engine was just a gasonline engine that had been converted to use diesel.

They had to beef everything up to do it, that's why they had problems with
it until they finally came out with the DX version. Gas engine about 9 to 1
compression with diesel compression of 20 to 1. They had to beef up
everything for the compression ratio. One problem they had was breaking
head bolts on the earlier versions.
Had one in an 80 Olds cutlass.
 
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Richard W.

Gordon Richmond said:
Lots of misinformation in this thread.

To answer Geekboy's original question: no Diesel conversion kits that
I know of, and for most of the reasons other posters have mentioned.
Even if the the bottom end of your existing engine could stand the
guff, and in the case of Briggs and Stratton, I'd suggest not, you
need a tougher piston, a totally different cylinder head, different
camshaft, not to mention an injection pump.

Kind of like making a cow into racehorse. I mean they've both got four
feet.....

As far as I know, the Diesel VW was a conversion from the gasoline
motor, which was originally an Audi design. Biggest weakness is the
belt-driven camshaft. It's an interference engine, big time.

The 5.7 liter Oldsmobile-derived GM Diesel was indeed put in cars,
Oldsmobiles and Cadillacs among them. I remember driving an Olds
Diesel that friend brought to me for electrical work. Engine ran just
fine; I think it was a '77 model.

People like to deride the 5.7 GM Diesel, and to a lesser extent the
6.2 which succeeded it. I think the biggest strike it had against it
was the fact that GM had begun selling Diesel vehicles to a car-buying
public that was for the most part really ill-informed as to the need
of developing new driving habits such as, horror of horrors, actually
letting the engine warm up before driving off. And maybe changing the
oil regularly, regardless.

I have been driving a Suburban with a 6.2 liter Diesel for five years
now, and it has never missed a beat, and I've probably put over
300,000 km on an engine that already was far from new. I replaced the
water pump this Spring, as a preventive maintenance measure, and
changed the front crankshaft seal at the same time. That is as deep as
I've had to go into that engine.

I have been told that the 6.2 is built by Detroit.
 
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David Hunt

Hi GeekBoy,
I usually end up being a little bit like a target in many circles. I'd
like to set up the bull's-eye
on me for my reply to your very good and honest question.

One of the things people here seem to have forgotten is that the word
Diesel is used in two
different ways around here.

First way the word Diesel is used -and obviously the default default way
around here- the word diesel identifies
a method of ignition that uses the
heat of compressing a gas (not gasoline, but something
in it's gaseous state) to ignite a fuel.
This is how diesel engines work. When the compression stroke
compresses the gases in the
combustion chamber they increase in temperature. If you
have high enough compression and
the cycle can be done faster than the heat is wicked
away; you can use this heat to ignite a
fuel that you inject into it.

Second way the word Diesel is used -not obviously thought of often
around here- it is also a fuel that was designed to
be burned in engines that use the Diesel Ignition System
to ignite it.

Some irony exists here. This is the newsgroup that speaks of bio-diesel
and running vegetable oils in their diesel engines.
This would make vegetable oil a Diesel Fuel for them. Hopefully they
don;t fry their chickens in Exxon Diesel Fuel !!

You can run gasoline in a diesel engine. It won't sound good or last long,
but it can be done. If you ran a diesel on
methanol, it would still be running -though not for long. The diesel
ignition temperatures will ignite a wide range of fuels.
Unfortunately most fuels are not acceptable for using in a diesel long term.
They either don't have the lubricating properties,
octane (hexane) ratings, as well as a lot of other issues. You will note
that on a really cold day, some people spray a little
bit of starting fluid into the intake of a diesel to start it. When this
happens; it is running on ether. That doesn't make it an ether
engine -or conversely- it doesn't make ether a diesel fuel (even though it
will run a diesel ignited engine). Ask a firefighter that
is worth his salt about driving his engine, and he will tell you of the
hazards of driving a diesel into thick smoke or other fuel rich
atmospheres.... the engine will run away from you because it is getting
plenty of fuel without having any injected. Some stories
of the past; speak of driving dump trucks down a hill. When the driver lets
off of the accelerator peddle, the engine (old and worn
out, barely enough compression to run) sucks up engine oil from the crank
case and runs away with it. Imagine getting out
of the Rockies and when you wanted to stop, it accelerates on you..
aaarrrgghhh.

Your question was "anyone know of a kit or way to convert these over to
diesel?"
If you mean to convert them over to run on the diesel ignition
system -it is not practical because they are deigned with too little
compression. You would need to re-design and rebuild it to meet
this objective. With all of the parts in a BS designed for
running on gasoline pressures you won;t find any part worth
re-using in your new engine anyway. You will end up in-front
of a lathe with a big new hunk of metal. Since starting from
scratch just to get the diesel ignition system to work is ridiculous,
don;t bother. (my suggestion, though someone COULD do it -I'm sure)
BUT if you meant "can I run my Briggs & Stratton on the fuel designed
for diesel engines.... THAT is another issue.
Some of the problems on using diesel fuel in a B&S sound funny; for
they require you to lower your compression in the
engine to get it to run correctly. Quite a few years ago I
researched this issue as well. B&S had, themselves, issued a
paper on running one of their engines on diesel fuel.

As I remember it, you need to:

Double up on your head gasket (this was to lower the compression
and lessen the detonation damage from the fuel)
Expect about a 50% decreased horsepower (from the rating) from
your engine.
Expect to re-adjust carburation settings.
Expect plugs to foul more often (especially if you are stopping
it and starting it often)

It runs best in a warm engine. If you can start on another -more
volatile- fuel, then switch over, you may save on some
severe rope pulling.
Try the hottest plug you can get for it.
Don;t expect simplicity, or perfection, but PLEASE DO try it.
Everyone in this group would love to know how it turned out. Not
that they would ever use one, but you never know when
the flood will come-in, and you would love to do SOMETHING to
pump yourself out. Gas might not always be around,
but a resourceful survivor like you might just have a tank of
diesel fuel... or home heating oil around. But if you end up down
to these levels ... just convert your B&S into a Stirling
Cycle Engine and burn ANY crap to run it. :=>

LET THE ARROWS FLY !!!!
 
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