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Mark Leuck

Zone list 4


Don't AND them, not reliable - there was a lengthy discussion on this a
month or so ago.

Lemme find a V20P book, I could sworn I saw it in there.


Foo Bar said:
Hi Crash;

I did a quick scan of the manual and didn't see any zone type that that
used 2 triggers to alarm, but my reading wasn't real complete. I suppose
I could put in 2 detectors in a NO loop to effectively AND the signals.
The downside is the on time of about 3 seconds would require the
detectee to move through both detectors at about the same time. Thanks
for the idea, I will look into using a small microprocessor to do what
you suggest to combine multiple sensors with a time window.

-Bill-
this particular panel. You install 2 motion detectors in one area, then
program them as cross-zoned with each other. A trip on one will not cause an
alarm unless the other one also trips within a certain time frame (usually
programmable in the panel). Then with a little creative pir placement you're
all set.
 
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Crash Gordon®

Yah, I see what you mean.


| The notes section on zone programming says when creating a zone list 4
| "do not include zones that have delays (entry/exit zones, interior
| w/delay) or 24-hour zones as these zone types may produce unpredictable
| results and may not function as intended"
| I made the assumption that the small microprocessor used for the panel
| may only be able to track 1 or a limited number of timer events
| simultaneously. It may not be able to do the cross-zone timing while it
| is doing an entry delay even if 1 triggers the other. It looks like
| experiment time!!
|
| -Bill-
|
|
| Crash Gordon® wrote:
|
| > I'd use as an interior follower (4).
| >
| > Interior with Delay should work too, what do you mean conflicting timers(?) [again I didn't read it all so you may know something I don't] you could set it to use second entry delay time too.
| >
| > | Crash;
| > |
| > | Thanks much for the fast reply. I had missed the cross-zone stuff since
| > | it was in the zone list, not zone type.
| > | One question comes up, I am adding 2 PIR/WW sensors (zones x and y) that
| > | will go into zone list 4 (cross zones) The manual indicates that the x
| > | and y zones must be type 3, 4 or 5 (perimeter burglary, interior
| > | follower or day trouble/nitght alarm)
| > | Since we go into the garage when the alarm is armed stay, modes 3 and 5
| > | don't work as we would trigger the alarm. Mode 4 works, but would cause
| > | an instant alarm if armed away. Mode 10 (interior with delay) is my
| > | preferred mode but I don't know if it would work (problem with
| > | conflicting timers). Any suggestions?
| > |
| > | Thanks;
| > |
| > | -Bill-
| > |
| > |
| > | Crash Gordon® wrote:
| > |
| > | > Ok...never done it on Vista stuff... so..bear with me,,
| > | >
| > | > *85 field is where you set the cross-zone timer
| > | > *81 is where you set up the Zone List...it looks like List 4 is where you set the zones to be cross-zoned.
| > | >
| > | > Read the *Install* Manual you should be able to figure it out from there.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >>Hi Crash;
| > | >>
| > | >>I did a quick scan of the manual and didn't see any zone type that that
| > | >>used 2 triggers to alarm, but my reading wasn't real complete. I suppose
| > | >>I could put in 2 detectors in a NO loop to effectively AND the signals.
| > | >>The downside is the on time of about 3 seconds would require the
| > | >>detectee to move through both detectors at about the same time. Thanks
| > | >>for the idea, I will look into using a small microprocessor to do what
| > | >>you suggest to combine multiple sensors with a time window.
| > | >>
| > | >> -Bill-
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>Crash Gordon® wrote:
| > | >>
| > | >>>I believe the 20P can use cross-zoning, although I've never done it with this particular panel. You install 2 motion detectors in one area, then program them as cross-zoned with each other. A trip on one will not cause an alarm unless the other one also trips within a certain time frame (usually programmable in the panel). Then with a little creative pir placement you're all set.
| > | >>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>>>Another newbie question here.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>House is a combo wired/wireless with an Ademco 20P panel. I have a
| > | >>>>problem protecting the attached 2 car garage. The main garage door, the
| > | >>>>door to the house and the back door are mag contact protected. The
| > | >>>>problem is that we have cats and sometimes want to bypass the back door
| > | >>>>to let them go in/out while away for a short time. Thus I need some sort
| > | >>>>of "space" protection to pick up someone who may enter via the
| > | >>>>bypassed/open back door. I first tried an Aurora PIR mounted just below
| > | >>>>the open rafters. Unfortunately, with small cats, if they climb into the
| > | >>>>rafters, they are close (and hot) enough to simulate a 40lb critter. I
| > | >>>>pulled the Ademco and replaced it with a microwave/PIR combo unit. Much
| > | >>>>better but still managed to false once. I guess I could be very careful
| > | >>>>in locating the PIR and masking out the usual location that the cats
| > | >>>>might be in, but I am hoping one of the pros can suggest a more
| > | >>>>cat-proof volume protection sensor.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> -Bill-
| > | >>>
| > | >>>
| > | >
| > | >
 
C

Crash Gordon®

Not to mention the shrapnel and noise!
Dang, it was horrible...the noise... the shrapnel flying overhead...oh, the humanity!!



| Crash Gordon® wrote:
| > Walnuts?
| > Interesting idea.
| >
| >
| > | >> Crash Gordon® wrote:
| >>> I prefer 6mm, nice flat shooter good fer vermits.
| >>
| >> Too risky. I'd use a wrist rocket and a sack of walnuts. Those bad
| >> boys make an "impression" on kitty, even if they miss.
| >> js
|
| Yeah. They're not exactly aerodynamic, but they hit like a bus.
| js
|
|
 
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alarman

Crash said:
Not to mention the shrapnel and noise!
Dang, it was horrible...the noise... the shrapnel flying
overhead...oh, the humanity!!

:)
js
 
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petem

a plane pellet gun do marvel..

with a good co2 cartridge in can send a cat running for a mile or 2 before
stopping...
it wont come back for weeks..and if you ever see it back just make the
smallest noise and boom they go like if it was hit again...
 
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Mark Leuck

What fun is that when you can't find whats left of the carcass? I say use a
357 hollow point
 
N

no wires showing

It can be done but it depends on your budget.
Try a floor probe inside. The cats won't be able to set it off unless
they are some really fat bastards.
 
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Crash Gordon®

They work under concrete?...this is a garage he's talking about.


| It can be done but it depends on your budget.
| Try a floor probe inside. The cats won't be able to set it off unless
| they are some really fat bastards.
|
 
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