Creating a LENR Newsgroup

[amdx]

Hi all,
Anyone want to discuss creating a LENR newsgroup.

My first thought is;

alt.lenr

Here's a tutorial for alt.** newsgroups.

http://nylon.net/alt/

I don't have the time, knowledge, or determination to
follow this idea through to completion.

I do want stimulate the desire in someone else.

Thanks, Mikek

 

[amdx]

Hi all,
Anyone want to discuss creating a LENR newsgroup.

My first thought is;

alt.lenr

Here's a tutorial for alt.** newsgroups.

http://nylon.net/alt/

I don't have the time, knowledge, or determination to
follow this idea through to completion.

I do want stimulate the desire in someone else.

Thanks, Mikek

I found this on http://nylon.net/alt/barb.htm

I don't think this will be hard to make happen at this time
with all the discussions about LENR and E-Cat.

"THE PROPONENT MUST PROMOTE THE GROUP.

The proponent is responsible for seeing that the group is added to
servers. He must request the group from the providers he subscribes to,
and he must advertise the group to other users and ask them to request
the group on the servers they use (and tell them how to reach their news
administrator). Almost no administrators will add an alt group until it
is requested by a subscriber. Without multiple copies of the group on
many servers {propagation), the group will die for lack of users.
THE PROPONENT MUST NURSE THE GROUP UNTIL IT PROPAGATES.

The proponent must be prepared to nurse the group for at least six
months or until the traffic becomes self-sustaining.It means searching
out the users who are discussing the topic in other groups and asking
them if they want and would use a new group. It means constant posting
of interesting material to the new group. Users who do ask for the group
and find it empty or boring will not return. At that point the group
becomes a spam trap on the servers who have added it. This frequently
happens to topics of short-term interest or one-note joke groups."

 

[amdx]

It would probably fit better as alt.energy.lenr - but it's worth asking
yourself "who is going to post" and "who is going to read", and then
considering what signal-to-noise ratio the group is likely to have...

I had thought about signal to noise, my real concern is the noise
I've been putting on the group we share. But the group hasn't had much
else lately.
Mikek

 

[Mho]

Your hero just got fired.

Bunch of Bologna?

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"amdx" wrote in message
Hi all,
Anyone want to discuss creating a LENR newsgroup.

My first thought is;

alt.lenr

Here's a tutorial for alt.** newsgroups.

http://nylon.net/alt/

I don't have the time, knowledge, or determination to
follow this idea through to completion.

I do want stimulate the desire in someone else.

Thanks, Mikek

 

[amdx]

Your hero just got fired.

Bunch of Bologna?

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in message Hi all,
Anyone want to discuss creating a LENR newsgroup.

My first thought is;

alt.lenr

Here's a tutorial for alt.** newsgroups.

http://nylon.net/alt/

I don't have the time, knowledge, or determination to
follow this idea through to completion.

I do want stimulate the desire in someone else.

Thanks, Mikek



Your hero just got fired.

Bunch of Bologna?

Following along very closely.

Why?

Mikek

 

[[email protected]]

I had thought about signal to noise, my real concern is the noise I've
been putting on the group we share. But the group hasn't had much else
lately.

This is doubtless a bad idea. First because the interested parties are
few and second because it will be a MAJOR noise target for "debunkers"
determined to disrupt any reasonable civilized discussions with the
usual name-calling and thread highjacking.

If you want an example just go take a peer at ANY of the UFO groups.
Have you EVER and I mean EVER seen ANY reasonable discussion of credible
UFO data there? Nay. Instead it's a personal posting ground for all UFO
"strategic writers". Expect the same for any LENR group.

I urge you to consider setting up a forum instead. You know like
PhysicsForums and the guitar forums etc. There are a million of them out
there and the all seem to use the same software. The downside is you
have to find a server and pay for software etc. but it allows a couple
of things that are essential. One would be moderating the discussions to
keep disruptors out. And the other would be that it would provide a nice
centralized storage area for all the important fundamental papers
(including user-supplied data) on the subject. You know, sort of a
combination discussion group and LENR "wikipedia" in one site.

The downside of a forum, is that once the "wrong" people get in charge,
it loses it's open character and becomes an organ of establishment
agenda (like PhysicsForums or Wikipedia).


Think about that. Like I said, go check the UFO groups to see what
happens to specialized groups like alt.LENR would be.

 

[sno]

This is doubtless a bad idea. First because the interested parties are
few and second because it will be a MAJOR noise target for "debunkers"
determined to disrupt any reasonable civilized discussions with the
usual name-calling and thread highjacking.

If you want an example just go take a peer at ANY of the UFO groups.
Have you EVER and I mean EVER seen ANY reasonable discussion of credible
UFO data there? Nay. Instead it's a personal posting ground for all UFO
"strategic writers". Expect the same for any LENR group.

I urge you to consider setting up a forum instead. You know like
PhysicsForums and the guitar forums etc. There are a million of them out
there and the all seem to use the same software. The downside is you
have to find a server and pay for software etc. but it allows a couple
of things that are essential. One would be moderating the discussions to
keep disruptors out. And the other would be that it would provide a nice
centralized storage area for all the important fundamental papers
(including user-supplied data) on the subject. You know, sort of a
combination discussion group and LENR "wikipedia" in one site.

The downside of a forum, is that once the "wrong" people get in charge,
it loses it's open character and becomes an organ of establishment
agenda (like PhysicsForums or Wikipedia).


Think about that. Like I said, go check the UFO groups to see what
happens to specialized groups like alt.LENR would be.

sci.physics.fusion is a newsgroup for fusion and especial cold fusion....

see description here....

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.fusion/topics

have fun.....sno




--
Correct Scientific Terminology:
Hypothesis - a guess as to why or how something occurs
Theory - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments
to be generally assumed to be true.
Law - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments
in enough different ways that it is assumed to be truer then a theory.
Note: nothing is proven in science, things are assumed to be true.

 

[sno]

Bad idea. It is an unmoderated group, and the same trolls who killed
sci.physics.fusion still look at it now and then so they can jump in and
trash it again should it come back to life.

While I appreciated their criticism of LENR, their insults and other bad
behavior was unnecessary.

I thought homepower would be appropriate to post to since if proven lenr
would be mainly used for home heating and possibly home electricity
generation...

have fun....sno

 

[amdx]

Hi all,
Anyone want to discuss creating a LENR newsgroup.

My first thought is;

alt.lenr

Here's a tutorial for alt.** newsgroups.

http://nylon.net/alt/

I don't have the time, knowledge, or determination to
follow this idea through to completion.

I do want stimulate the desire in someone else.

Thanks, Mikek

Ok guys,
I'm convinced and happy to stay here on homepower for E-Cat/LENR posts.

Thanks, Mikek

 

[[email protected]]

How about archiving the trolls for future generations to laugh at?

Been there. Done that. don't think for a minute that you can prove any
troll wrong. GOPPs will argue tooth and nail for establishment textbook
physics and then the minute one of the new theories becomes the "new"
dogma, they will all turn on a dime and be arguing that "everyone"
always knew the new theory was "fact". And just like your dog who leaves
a stinking pile on your new carpet, you can go rub their noses in it,
and they will simply deny they ever had anything to do with it right to
your face. It's hard to deal with basic dishonesty like that. But as
I've pointed out here a thousand times, this kind of behavior isn't
science, it's POLITICS. All standard political fare easily observed in
any election cycle.

And it is of interest that the very reason I was "banned for life" from
PhysicsForums was a discussion (in the "lounge", not even a regular
"science" forum) of how I used to argue with a host of scientists (back
when they were all bashing Velikovsky's theories) over "the theory of
uniformity" which they all assured me was a "fact"...you know just like
AGW is today, and then later once science decided that volcanos,
asteroids, earthquakes and other major events actually DO occur, they
all swore up and down that they NEVER had advocated the uniformity
theory. Never! Right to my face! PhysicsForums felt that this personal
saga was proof positive I was a "crackpot". That is was "treating
scientists with disrespect" Isn't it amazing how many people there
are seeking public esteem for their scientific ability who wouldn't
(couldn't?) practice the scientific method if their lives depended on
it. And even lower are the herd of bootlickers such as the Internet GOPP
trolls and moderators of (so-called) PhysicsForums.

 

[amdx]

Why ALT rather than SCI?

I'm not sure it deserves sci. at this time.
A year from now, we will know, but then we won't
need a newsgroup. If the the technology is proven,
we will need forums and websites to help us all build our own.

Mikek

 

[Han]

I'm not sure it deserves sci. at this time.
A year from now, we will know, but then we won't
need a newsgroup. If the the technology is proven,
we will need forums and websites to help us all build our own.

Mikek

I believe starting an alt group involves much less than starting a sci
group.

I'm reading only alt.energy.homepower

 

[Mho]

From the short editorial crapped up stuff I read they just got tired of no
progress.

If you do as you stated you should know more than me about this subject.


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"amdx" wrote in message Following along very closely.

Why?


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[Mho]

His funding and job was cut. There won't be a next year, apparently.

No need for name calling. State your case.

 

[Mho]

....and the people complaining about noise becomes the higher pitch noise and
they'll tell two friends and so on..



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"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
I'm fairly sure that people will complain if you (or I or sno or
whoever) inject too much noise into alt.energy.homepower.

Until it's been proven or disproven, it's just another subject for
investigation. If it turns out to have substance, then it does sound as
if there could be home application - so it probably is on-topic for
alt.energy.homepower.

I can understand that the sci.* folks may well prefer to restrict their
discussions to well-established and well-documented phenomena, and
exclude speculative topics.

Meanwhile, I plan to continue as I've been doing and, if I have
something I think might be of interest to the group, I'll post it (or a
link to it) for people to see.

Today I finished the controller code that processes pulses from my
little Geiger-Müller detector and let it run for a couple of hours. This
weekend I'll try to get over to Radio Shack for a mini stereo phone jack
so I can plug in the detector and see background radiation. If RS
doesn't have 'em, I can add them to my next on-line order.

I still haven't come up with a circuit to monitor the reaction chamber
temperature (nor any good way to bring out thermocouple leads), so I
suppose that's what I'll need to focus on in the week ahead.

Somehow the actual work seems a lot less interesting (and goes a lot
slower) than talking about it. :-/

 

[amdx]

From the short editorial crapped up stuff I read they just got tired of
no progress.

If you do as you stated you should know more than me about this subject.

You are following along very closely.

Why?

Mikek

 

[amdx]

His funding and job was cut. There won't be a next year, apparently.

No need for name calling. State your case.


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in message

In other words, you're just being lame.

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His funding and job was cut. There won't be a next year, apparently.

No need for name calling. State your case.

I don't see any name calling.
Mikek

 

[Mho]

I just wanted to know what LENR stood for and found the article how the
Bologna people fired him, just recently.


I wasn't following closely, IMHO. Just mildly interested what the group was
being spammed with.


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"amdx" wrote in message You are following along very closely.

Why?

Mikek

 

[Mho]

Well if the shoe fits....

 

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You misspelled, "Grandiose claims, never backed up by the tiniest
shred of evidence, and the consequent ridicule, led the
hype-mongers to adjourn to their own web boards where they could
lie as much as they liked and never be mocked, while the sane
people lost interest and wandered off."

From this we conclude that Marvin gave a correct historical description
and Bill Snyder was clearly one of the idiot trolls who disrupted all
reasonable discussion with insults, accusations that anyone not taking a
"debunking' position was "insane", and denigration of all participants.
(you know, just like he does here)