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Connecting multiple mics to a preamp?

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MRW

Hello all:

What considerations do I need to take when connecting multiple
microphones to a pre-amp? Can I even do that?

Just by looking at it, I know that I'm paralleling multiple
capacitances. This will probably change the frequency response of the
mics, right?

I got some samples for a MAX4468 and wanted to see if I can use it to
connect three condenser mics to the same input. The mics would be setup
in a small box enclosure. One mic for each side except for one.

Datasheet: http://datasheets.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/MAX4465-MAX4469.pdf


Thanks!
 
J

Jon Slaughter

MRW said:
Hello all:

What considerations do I need to take when connecting multiple
microphones to a pre-amp? Can I even do that?

I think in general you can't. For example, when I was in college I had an
amp and a friend of mine brought his guitar over. We had one amp and two
guitars. I hooked spliced the lines together and guess what? One volumn
control controlled the other guitar. I didn't realize it at the time(I was
a math student) but its quite simple now.

Its possible for all the loads of the mics to interfer with each
other(although for mics it may not be an issue but I bet it is) because they
will load each other. This is why mic preamps probably exist.
Just by looking at it, I know that I'm paralleling multiple
capacitances. This will probably change the frequency response of the
mics, right?

Yes, this is essentially what I mean. If you have a cascade of filters then
its possible for the the succeeding stages to load the previous ones. Think
of trying ot put two LP filters together. Do you get the effect of two
acting "independently"? It depends on the resister and capacitor values. I
can't explain it well but I'm sure you can find more info on it if you want.
The AOE has a very good explination of it and how to fix it.
I got some samples for a MAX4468 and wanted to see if I can use it to
connect three condenser mics to the same input. The mics would be setup
in a small box enclosure. One mic for each side except for one.

Yep, AFAIK and see it looks like this is exactly what you want.

Essentially what you want to do is use the op amps to make the mic see an
infinite load so the voltage does not depend on the load. This is what an op
amp does.

I'm not quite sure the exact configuration as I've not messed with this
stuff to much and its been a while sense I've read AOE but basically you
want to use some type of op amp for each mic such as a unity gain
buffer(this loads the mic at the load you want but essentially seperates mic
and what comes after the mic from interfering with each other) then after
those use a summing op amp configuration to do the mixing(might be able to
just using the summing op amp though but not sure as the mics might interfer
with each other).

You would have variable resisters on one of the stages to control how its
mixed. If you don't have to much experience in electronics you might and to
find a schematic already made or ask here about it more. Theres probably a
lot of nuances that can cause problems for you. I also imagine that you
have to worry about the capacitances in the mic since AFAIK the op amp
loading is mainly dealing with resistance and not reactance.

Anyways, since these are mic preamps it looks like you have everything you
need. You just gotta figure out how to put them together ;) (and some ways
will be better than others).

Jon
 
J

John Popelish

MRW said:
Hello all:

What considerations do I need to take when connecting multiple
microphones to a pre-amp? Can I even do that?

Just by looking at it, I know that I'm paralleling multiple
capacitances. This will probably change the frequency response of the
mics, right?

I got some samples for a MAX4468 and wanted to see if I can use it to
connect three condenser mics to the same input. The mics would be setup
in a small box enclosure. One mic for each side except for one.

Datasheet: http://datasheets.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/MAX4465-MAX4469.pdf

There may be exceptions (aren't there always?), but in
general, you need a mixer to individually preamp each mic
and adjust each mic's volume and mix them all together to
make a single audio signal.
 
H

Homer J Simpson

What considerations do I need to take when connecting multiple
microphones to a pre-amp? Can I even do that?

You need a mixer circuit. It needn't be complex.






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tempus fugit

MRW said:
Hello all:

What considerations do I need to take when connecting multiple
microphones to a pre-amp? Can I even do that?

Just by looking at it, I know that I'm paralleling multiple
capacitances. This will probably change the frequency response of the
mics, right?

I got some samples for a MAX4468 and wanted to see if I can use it to
connect three condenser mics to the same input. The mics would be setup
in a small box enclosure. One mic for each side except for one.

Datasheet: http://datasheets.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/MAX4465-MAX4469.pdf


Thanks!
What is your application? These things aren't likely to sound very good -
check out that noise figure of 40nV.
 
B

Ban

MRW said:
Hello all:

What considerations do I need to take when connecting multiple
microphones to a pre-amp? Can I even do that?

Just by looking at it, I know that I'm paralleling multiple
capacitances. This will probably change the frequency response of the
mics, right?

I got some samples for a MAX4468 and wanted to see if I can use it to
connect three condenser mics to the same input. The mics would be
setup in a small box enclosure. One mic for each side except for one.

Datasheet: http://datasheets.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/MAX4465-MAX4469.pdf


Thanks!

For sure these are *not* condensor mics, but cheap electret ones. Choose the
bias resistor accordingly and parallel them into a transimpedance opamp
configuration. Since these are basically current sinks, the output current
will add up fine.
Since the summing node has very low impedance, the frequency response of the
single mike will not change, but because of different path length comb
filtering will happen at higher frequencies, depending on incident angle.
A box will create awful interference patterns at those sharp bends, better
put them in a small sphere.
 
M

MRW

Homer said:
You need a mixer circuit. It needn't be complex.

That was my original thought ...... using multiple pre-amps and send
their output to a mixer. But I wanted to check if I can get away from
using multiple pre-amps.
 
M

MRW

tempus said:
What is your application? These things aren't likely to sound very good -
check out that noise figure of 40nV.

I saw a circuit online where the guy made a grenade-like sound
detector. The idea was to throw this box containing mics at a certain
distance and then you can listen on in via a wireless connection. I
think the person was inspired after playing too much Halo.

I think this application has some use when playing a friendly game of
paintball.
 
H

Homer J Simpson

MRW said:
That was my original thought ...... using multiple pre-amps and send
their output to a mixer. But I wanted to check if I can get away from
using multiple pre-amps.


You can often uses resistors to mix the signals.






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