Compact Fluorescent Lamp

[Phil Allison]

"Eeysore"

Morrisons supermarket

** Total RED HERRING !!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi

Bloody TROLL !!



..... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Eeysore"

They must keep all the bad ones especially for you.

** Wot a desperate mental retard.




.... Phil

 

[Eeyore]

"Eeysore"

** Wot a desperate mental retard.

Indeed you are. I have had ZERO problems with any CFL except dropping one
once.

Graham

 

[Phil Allison]

"Don Klipstein"

You also dredged up something from 2004 - but then again,

** Huh ????????

Philips " Tornado " CFLs are on sale right now - asshole.

Also, in ambient 18 C or warmer, my experience is that bare spirals
start a lot brighter than "one candle"!

** And which CFL was my remark about - asshole ??

You need to learn what a RED HERRING is too - wanker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi




....... Phil

 

[Eeyore]

"Eeysore"


** Total RED HERRING !!!

PINK SALMON !

 

[Phil Allison]

"Eeysore"

I have had ZERO problems with any CFL except dropping one
once.

** The YOU are clearly NOT in any position to discuss the many
problems with CFLs.

Ignorance is NOT knowledge.

Red herrings are NOT valid points.

You pathetic bloody fool.




....... Phil

 

[Don Klipstein]

"Don Klipstein"


** You are SOOOOO full of shit !!

Some of the slowest lighting CFLs are made by Philips and use an exposed
spiral - eg

http://www.lamptech.co.uk/Spec Sheets/Philips CFL Tornado.htm

The "warm up" time is stated to be 2 minutes.

The initial light level is about 10%, it depends on room temp.

Exceptionally extreme dim-starting (according to figures I
consider unverified) and slow-warming (what percentage after 2
minutes? 90%? 99%) spiral that I have yet to see anywhere except
your citation.

I have Philips spirals that are mostly warmed up in less than a minute
and at 1 second after power is applied they are a #@(# of a lot brighter
than 10% of full even at 18 degree C ambient!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

"Don Klipstein"

** Could be sold under a different name in the USA.


** What you have NOT seen is NOT any kind of information.

Rooms are often colder than 18C and 1 minute to reach half brightness is an
annoying wait or even dangerous in many situations.

What I "have seen" being *notably absent* in *usual situations* with
*common products* is atually information.

Also, I have found and posted as such that taking half a minute to a
minute to get to more than halfway to full brightness is often not
so bad - I usually find that outright welcome in bathrooms!

Also, colder than 18 C is exception more than rule for rooms.

Furthermore, how the bleep often is light output of 20-25% of
full "dangerous and also lacking escape from danger by waiting for half a
minute to 45 seconds?

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Phil Allison]

"Don Klipstein"

Exceptionally extreme dim-starting (according to figures I
consider unverified) and slow-warming (what percentage after 2
minutes? 90%? 99%) spiral that I have yet to see anywhere except
your citation.

** Do your own search on " Philips Tornado CFL " .

Maybe they are not sold in the USA ( ie no 120 volt version exists)

Maybe there ARE sold in the USA under another name.

Does not matter a damn to the ORIGINAL QUESTION !!!

SLOW LIGHTING CFLs are sold all over.

I have Philips spirals that are mostly warmed up in less than a minute
and at 1 second after power is applied they are a #@(# of a lot brighter
than 10% of full even at 18 degree C ambient!

** So fucking what ?????

What YOU have NOT seen is not EVIDENCE - asshole.

Room ambients can be way less than 18C too - dickhead.




..... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Don Klipstein"

** This complete loon must be one of the biggest JERKOFFs on usenet !!

What I "have seen" being *notably absent* in *usual situations* with
*common products* is atually information.

** Yaaawnnn - more meaningless drivel.

Also, I have found and posted as such that taking half a minute to a
minute to get to more than halfway to full brightness is often not
so bad - I usually find that outright welcome in bathrooms!

** While most others find it damn annoying.

Also, colder than 18 C is exception more than rule for rooms.

** It is very common in bathrooms, in winter, in many places for the temp
to fall to near 0C overnight.

What a utterly stupid ass you are.

Furthermore, how the bleep often is light output of 20-25% of
full "dangerous and also lacking escape from danger by waiting for half a
minute to 45 seconds?

** What YOU are too damn stupid to realise is YOUR problem.




...... Phil

 

[Don Klipstein]

"Don Klipstein"


** Huh ????????

Philips " Tornado " CFLs are on sale right now - asshole.

Where? Please tell me where I can get one at a retail establishment
without burning gasoline costing more than purchase price of *one unit*!
I reside in Delaware County PA near Philadelphia.

** And which CFL was my remark about - asshole ??

One that appears to me based on my huge experience to have an
exceptionally slow warmup time for its general type/style, that I have yet
to experience personally despite testing about 150 models of about 30
"brands" of CFLs including all 3 of the "Big 3" due to lack of
availability in USA.
Unless the USA version is Philips spirals available in USA that I have
tested, and found to have lesser warmup requirement that I have found
typical of bare-tubing CFLs in general!

You need to learn what a RED HERRING is too - wanker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi

But I have had actual good experience with Philips spirals in USA!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Phil Allison]

"Don Klipstein the IMBECILE "

Where?

** The UK, Australia and all over Asia for sure.

Whether that same name in on USA product is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT

IMBECILE !!!!!!!!!!

One that appears to me

** Go read the damn thread & see what I was referring to.

You pathetic ASSHOLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you have never seen a problem -

THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT !!!!




....... Phil

 

[Eeyore]

"Eeysore"


** The YOU are clearly NOT in any position to discuss the many
problems with CFLs.

I've been using them for 20 years. Buy quality brands and you'll see no
problems. Sure, they age a bit after many thousands of hours. At 39p I
can afford to replace them then.

How long have YOU been using them ?

Graham

 

[Don Klipstein]

"Don Klipstein"


** Do your own search on " Philips Tornado CFL " .

Why should I since you have already presented a citation to those?
And I found the 2 minute warmup data to be useless (due to lack of
qualifying to 50% or 99% of "full"), along with lack of data as to how dim
they start.

Maybe they are not sold in the USA ( ie no 120 volt version exists)

Maybe there ARE sold in the USA under another name.

Does not matter a damn to the ORIGINAL QUESTION !!!

SLOW LIGHTING CFLs are sold all over.

And you have yet to show much data that the slowpokes include much of
CFLs with bare tubing.

** So fucking what ?????

I test a lot of CFLs and that is what I have seen.

What YOU have NOT seen is not EVIDENCE - asshole.

What I have not seen where I look for it or not seen as
to-your-claimed-extent exception from a rule I have found followed by
about 50 models and about a dozen "brands" with lack of exception in my
experience other than what I call "dollar store stool specimens",
is notably significant data that can't be dismissed so quickly out of
hand.

Room ambients can be way less than 18C too - dickhead.

Distinct minority! I relish the mere hours per year that I can get my
apartment down to 17 C! And my CFLs work just fine then!

I have a couple relatives having some use of lighting while heating
"only" to 17 or 18 C and having no complaints of CFLs specific to 17 C as
opposed to 25 C!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Phil Allison]

"Eeysore"

I've been using them for 20 years.

** Another red herring.

Ignorance is NOT knowledge.

Red herrings are NOT valid points.

You pathetic bloody fool.



....... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Don Klipstein MORON "

Why should I...

** Then you will know that they really exist.

Do you expect me to buy one and send it to you ?????

Shame it would be a 240 volt one if I did.

And you have yet to show much data that the slowpokes include much of
CFLs with bare tubing.

** There is no published data available from makers.

The start up performance ( especially at low room temp ) is a huge
embarrassment to CFL makers so they suppress it.

It is WAAYYYY inferior to normal fluorescent tube lighting.

It is PATHETIC compared to any incandescent lamp of course.

What I have not seen where I look for it or not seen as
to-your-claimed-extent exception from a rule I have found followed by
about 50 models and about a dozen "brands" with lack of exception in my
experience other than what I call "dollar store stool specimens",
is notably significant data that can't be dismissed so quickly out of
hand.

** I am not denying your experience.

But what YOU have NOT seen is not my problem.

Distinct minority!

** You are indeed some kind of absolute fucking IDIOT !!

Must be as autistic as all HELL !!



....... Phil

 

[Don Klipstein]

"Don Klipstein"

** This complete loon must be one of the biggest JERKOFFs on usenet !!


** Yaaawnnn - more meaningless drivel.


** While most others find it damn annoying.


** It is very common in bathrooms, in winter, in many places for the temp
to fall to near 0C overnight.

What a utterly stupid ass you are.

Oh please, cite when and where? Besides outhouses and single family
dwellings befallen by severe winter storms that interrupt power for days?

I know one person who so much as had his bathroom cool to about +7
degrees C during an almost-weeklong power outage in January 1994 after the
"Great Ice Storm" of January 1994. That was Philadelphia's first day on
record for weather-related official lack of mail delivery service - for
only one day!

** What YOU are too damn stupid to realise is YOUR problem.

Non-problem to me - I do that often and have done that a lot and been
there a lot!

You claim that's a problem where I find that a non-problem?

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

"Don Klipstein the IMBECILE "

** The UK, Australia and all over Asia for sure.
Whether that same name in on USA product is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT

IMBECILE !!!!!!!!!!


** Go read the damn thread & see what I was referring to.

I know bleeping well what you were referring to.

You pathetic ASSHOLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you have never seen a problem -

THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT !!!!

What I have seen is great absence of the trouble that you claim and
notably cite incomplete data for on that style of CFL, even of Philips
brand!

You cited one cite of data that did not include percentage of full
light output at start and did not state what percentage of full light
output was achieved at 2 minutes - that could have vbeen 99%.

I do use Philips spirals and find complete lack of failure to have
been most-of-the-way warmed up within a minute.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

"Don Klipstein MORON "

** Then you will know that they really exist.

I know they really exist, but I do not know from your link how dim they
start nor what percentage of full output (such as 99%) that they achieve
in 2 minutes.

Do you expect me to buy one and send it to you ?????

Shame it would be a 240 volt one if I did.

What makes you think that I can't tap off a 240V line for my living room
air conditioner? I have already done that to light lamps!

What makes you think that I lack a 120/240V transformer of 2-KVA rating?
I have one of those!

<SNIP so you say CFLs are slow>

While most are far from as slow as you said!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Phil Allison]

"Don Klipstein the LYING IMBECILE "

I know bleeping well what you were referring to.

** BLATANT LIE.

You will not even look back in the thread to see.

Autistic mental defectives never will.




...... Phil