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Radium

andy said:
Angelo said:
[SNIP]
The audio performance is entirey due to the expansion of the gas being
heated by the quantity of current flowing through it (I^2*R heating). On
an audio wave peak, the temperature and volume are greatest; on an audio
wave valley, the tempreature and volume are least. I think it is really
a clumsy way of productings ound, inherently nonlinear for moderate to
loud sound levels.

I am not sure I should be posting on this thread but just a couple of
points that may be of interest.
Plasmas in air have two mechanisms for directly producing sound. The
first is a monopole caused by expanding/contracting due to a varying
temperature and the second is a dipole caused by varying the stream of
charged particles rapidly moving between the electrodes and
transferring some of their momentum to the particles of air.

I wonder if a plasma loudspeaker could use a mechanism similar to a
stun gun. The spark from a stun gun does not produce any perceptible
heat in close proximity because -- despite being a 100,000 volts -- the
power is not enough to raise temperature sufficiently to burn the skin.


That being said, the stun gun does make sound when it sparks. I assume
that an equipment similar to the stun gun could be engineered so that
it could produce sparks that would cause the intended sound [e.g.
speech or music].

Conventional plasma speakers produce sparks that reach as high as 2,000
Celsius.

If an high-voltage, low-amperage electric current of 1,000 Hz frequency
is passed through air, a 1,000 Hz tone will result.
 
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Eeyore

Radium said:
I assume
that an equipment similar to the stun gun could be engineered so that
it could ..........

be stuck up your arse ?

I bet that would make some noise !

Graham
 
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Rich Grise

Where can I find info on cold plasma speakers?

First, you have to figure out where in Hell you can get some
"cold plasma". Plasma is hotter than hot, almost by definition.

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Rich Grise

Hadn't Elac a plasma tweeter?
Not cold, of course.
And after playing Dark side of the Moon there was so much ozon in the room
it caused lung diseases. :).
Why are we taking this Radium serious?

Primarily because this is sci.electronics.basics, where there is no such
thing as a stupid question.

And please learn to bottom-post.

Thanks!
Rich
 
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Radium

Rich said:
First, you have to figure out where in Hell you can get some
"cold plasma". Plasma is hotter than hot, almost by definition.

Cheers!
Rich

Sorry. I think "plasma" is the wrong word, then. By "plasma speaker", I
meant a speaker that generates sound by using electricity of an
analogous frequency and passing the electric current through the air.
In order for electricity to flow through a tough insulator, like air,
the voltage needs to be at least 50 kV. If the electric current flowing
through the air, has a frequency of 1,000 Hz, it will produce an
audible 1,000 Hz tone.
 
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John Larkin

Sorry. I think "plasma" is the wrong word, then. By "plasma speaker", I
meant a speaker that generates sound by using electricity of an
analogous frequency and passing the electric current through the air.
In order for electricity to flow through a tough insulator, like air,
the voltage needs to be at least 50 kV. If the electric current flowing
through the air, has a frequency of 1,000 Hz, it will produce an
audible 1,000 Hz tone.

2000. Try it.

John
 
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Angelo Campanella

John said:
2000. Try it.

True if you drive the plsma arc with straight audio.

But when a carrier is used, or - if there is a calass A amplifier mode
available - the zero audio state is a 50% current AKA "Bias". Then the
audio, ac wise, modulates the current to be greater or lesser.. etc.

Angelo Campanella
 
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Eeyore

Radium said:
Sorry. I think "plasma" is the wrong word, then. By "plasma speaker", I
meant a speaker that generates sound by using electricity of an
analogous frequency and passing the electric current through the air.
In order for electricity to flow through a tough insulator, like air,
the voltage needs to be at least 50 kV. If the electric current flowing
through the air, has a frequency of 1,000 Hz, it will produce an
audible 1,000 Hz tone.

Look here Mr Pea Brain. You appear to recognise that this 'plasma' will need
both volts and amps.

That means power, which means heat. So, no cold plasma.

Graham
 
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Echo

Guys, he's a troll, ignore him!


A sociopathic swine, and contemptable piece of human waste, by the name
Mike (Porky) Rieves, who is demonstrably devoid of moral conscience and all
generally accepted standards of ethical behavior, just farted and bestowed
upon us the above echo.
 
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