Maker Pro
Maker Pro

Cold Plasma Speakers

R

Radium

Hi:

Where can I find info on cold plasma speakers?


Thanks,

Radium
 
B

Bob Myers

Radium said:
Hi:

Where can I find info on cold plasma speakers?

Go to the nearest blood bank; that's what they use in
their freezers.

Bob M.
 
R

Radium

Radium said:
Hi:

Where can I find info on cold plasma speakers?


Thanks,

Radium

I ask because I am looking for a type of speaker that does not use a
diaphragm and does not get too hot to touch.
 
E

Eeyore

Radium said:
Hi:

Where can I find info on cold plasma speakers?

LMAO !

Hey, I've met your namesake Archimedes Plutonium recently. He's as barking mad
as you are !

Graham
 
D

Don Bruder

Eeyore said:
LMAO !

Hey, I've met your namesake Archimedes Plutonium recently. He's as barking mad
as you are !

Graham

AP's still around? Yeesh! Ain't seen him in forever! (Not that I've
WANTED to, but...)
 
A

Angelo Campanella

Radium said:
I ask because I am looking for a type of speaker that does not use a
diaphragm and does not get too hot to touch.

Any electrosttic or piezoelectric speaker should work for you.

Angelo Campanella
 
T

The Ghost

Any electrosttic or piezoelectric speaker should work for you.

Angelo Campanella

Both electrostatic and piezoelectric speakers require/utilize a diaphragm
to produce the required SPL.
 
B

Bob

Radium said:
Hi:

Where can I find info on cold plasma speakers?


Thanks,

Radium

I don't think there is such an animal, today. There have been a few plasma
loudspeakers sold. One of them was by Plasmatronics (in the early 80's,
iirc), however, they weren't "cold". It used an inert gas (helium, I
believe) to create 'fingers' of plasma. Each finger was about 3" long and
glowed bright blue. This was only for the upper midrange and highs, and the
need for a large tank of helium was a real pita, plus the low end was a
conventional dynamic speaker.

I was also fortunate enough to have seen and heard one that did not
(apparently) use an ignited plasma. It didn't play too loudly and was never
produced commercially. It also created large amounts of ozone. It had
response down to dc. Its mode of operation was probably similar to those
plasma-based air cleaners. I've considered getting one of these air
cleaners, then apply the appropriate modulation, but I don't think it would
produce the type of sound that would sell (plus the ozone problem is still
there).

Here's a link that may give you some more info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_arc_loudspeaker

Bob
 
A

Angelo Campanella

The said:
Both electrostatic and piezoelectric speakers require/utilize a diaphragm
to produce the required SPL.

All efficient speakers will use a diaphragm.
If efficiency can be sacrificed, then the bare piezoelctric can be used.

It is my undersanduing that electrostaic speakers are flat and are all
transducer (or all diaphragm if you declare that the element itself is a
diaphragm).

Ang. C.
 
B

bert stoltenborg

Hadn't Elac a plasma tweeter?
Not cold, of course.
And after playing Dark side of the Moon there was so much ozon in the
room it caused lung diseases. :).
Why are we taking this Radium serious?
 
A

Angelo Campanella

Bob said:
I don't think there is such an animal, today. There have been a few plasma
loudspeakers sold. One of them was by Plasmatronics (in the early 80's,
iirc), however, they weren't "cold". It used an inert gas (helium, I
believe) to create 'fingers' of plasma. Each finger was about 3" long and
glowed bright blue. This was only for the upper midrange and highs, and the
need for a large tank of helium was a real pita, plus the low end was a
conventional dynamic speaker.

The device was born as an "ionophone"; a classmate in the '50's (Fuji
Oda) built and evaluated one as his masters thesis around 1955.

He had to make the transducer itself from fused quartz because it ran
white hot (about a kilowatt of input power; as an RF carrier at 27 mHz.

The transducer shape was basically like an eyw cup with an electrode on
either side wall, connected dorectly to the output transmission line
from an RF transmitter. Amplitude modulation (AM) of the rf carrier
produced sound and some light from the plasma and hot quartz at the time
for that coonfiguration.

Ozone; yes.. smelled it often.

Plasma TV screens use a low pressure gas sealed in an envelope. The gas
glows when milliamps of current flow through it. The place where the
glow occurs is around the cathode or anode (I forget which) in the case
of DC current. If AC current is used, both glow alternately. Such gas
discharges are highly nonlinear; there being no current until breakdown
occurs, the abundant current and light. That's why an AC carrier, which
can be modulated at an audio rate, was used in the beginning.

The audio performance is entirey due to the expansion of the gas being
heated by the quantity of current flowing through it (I^2*R heating). On
an audio wave peak, the temperature and volume are greatest; on an audio
wave valley, the tempreature and volume are least. I think it is really
a clumsy way of productings ound, inherently nonlinear for moderate to
loud sound levels.
I was also fortunate enough to have seen and heard one that did not
(apparently) use an ignited plasma. It didn't play too loudly and was never
produced commercially.

That's what Fuji concluded.
It also created large amounts of ozone.
Yup.

It had
response down to dc. Its mode of operation was probably similar to those
plasma-based air cleaners. I've considered getting one of these air
cleaners, then apply the appropriate modulation, but I don't think it would
produce the type of sound that would sell (plus the ozone problem is still
there).

It's just a toy.

Ang. C.
 
A

andy

Angelo said:
[SNIP]
The audio performance is entirey due to the expansion of the gas being
heated by the quantity of current flowing through it (I^2*R heating). On
an audio wave peak, the temperature and volume are greatest; on an audio
wave valley, the tempreature and volume are least. I think it is really
a clumsy way of productings ound, inherently nonlinear for moderate to
loud sound levels.

I am not sure I should be posting on this thread but just a couple of
points that may be of interest.

Plasmas in air have two mechanisms for directly producing sound. The
first is a monopole caused by expanding/contracting due to a varying
temperature and the second is a dipole caused by varying the stream of
charged particles rapidly moving between the electrodes and
transferring some of their momentum to the particles of air.

There have been a number of commercial designs of plasma speakers over
the years and several DIY projects which can be found on the web. I
believe a hifi company in Germany is still producing a tweeter for the
"audiophile" market: http://www.acapella.de

The principle of operation is nonlinear but then so is electrostatic
attraction/repulsion. If the pros outweighed the cons I suspect
engineers would find ways of handling the nonlinearity. However, it is
hard to see an application where the cons do not outweigh the pros.
 
Top