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Ross A. Finlayson
I try to build a coilgun.
The coil is better at the beginning of the winding than towards the
end, there are five or six gaps of a millimeter or so in the latter
half of the coil. I started by drilling a hole through the 1/2" inner
diameter PVC pipe and threading an end of the wire through it, then
wrapping the wire as tightly as feasible by hand around the pipe, with
the threaded end acting as a backstop. I wound twenty or thirty
coils, then drilled another hole at six inches from the first and kept
winding until that was reached, then the wire was snipped from the
spool giving a foot or so extra and that end threaded through the
second hole. The first hole didn't have enough coming through to work
with so I pulled it out and unwound a coil and rethreaded it.
The coil is almost decent, the average diameter is pretty good as it
is wound tightly around the pipe, but there are five or six gaps of
about a millimeter. I try to even those out. I have access to lots
of 10 gauge round and square magnet wire.
So now I plan to tape the coil to help hold it in place, then pull the
end out of the PVC to be the leads. It might be better to use an
epoxy to hold the coil down, but I plan to just leave it on there a
couple days and handle it and figure it will come to rest in its
coiled form. I put tape around the coil, and pull the backstops, it
spreads a little.
The wire is some surplus wire, it looks like copper wire and is soft
enough to turn by hand, but some of the insulation has come off and it
looks like aluminum. The spool says 11 gauge wire, the wire is about
3/32" in diameter. It has about 62 1/4 turns that will be usable, one
winding, in a 5/8" inner diameter coil that is about 6" in length.
I got from Radio Shack, the local 'lectronic parts retail outlet, a
bag of assorted resistors and one of electrolytic capacitors, and some
LEDs and a battery case to hold four 1.58V AA batteries, and some
circuit board, I wanted to get but didn't see one of those 9V battery
posts. I look through the capacitors from the three dollar capacitor
assortment and the biggest ones are only 47 microfarads at 200 Volts.
I can wire three of them in parallel for basically a capacitor of 141
uF at 200V. That is not a large enough capacitor.
I search the Internet for car audio capacitors, they have ones with
extra digital baggage that are some 2.5 farads, 24V, for a hundred
dollars or so. To charge something like that I would instead of
alkaline batteries be looking towards 6V motorcycle batteries, or a
12/13.8 volt automotive battery, or a transformer fed with wall
current. I read that adding EDTA powder dissolved in distilled water
helps with desulfonation of liquid electrolye lead acid batteries.
So I guess I should tape this coil and wire its ends into modular
leads of some form, then I will be running various wires into the
leads. I think I should start with low power and just try to get an
idea using a couple cheap multimeters what happens to the coil with
various inputs, and if it is of enough power to draw these wood screws
in a dowel into the coil, then I can run the dowel through by hand and
help determine if I can use some effects of the variable solenoid to
automate the switching.
I look for a model to Barry's Mark II coilgun. I only have puny 47
microfarad capacitors here, where his design is using a 28000
microfarad capacitor. I take the piece of circuit board and lay out
the wires and components, three of those capacitors in parallel, an
10000 Ohm bleed resistor, and the line with the coil and the SCR, for
each from positive to negative. I don't have a diode protecting the
capacitors. I solder the wires and components, and connect the wires
to the power supply (four ganged AA batteries) and the coil. I test
all the connections as possible. I put on safety goggles, because I
am afraid of the capacitors, and put the batteries in and then apply
the gate charge to the SCR with the 9V battery. The screw sits
obstinately in the coil.
I conclude perhaps the coil is bad, I fried some element, the power
supply or capacitance is too weak, I assembled it incorrectly, or the
power supply is too weak.
I connect the battery pack to the coil. The coil does not exhibit
enough magnetic activity to pick up little bits of wire, it's an air
cored coil. The battery pack grows warm quickly. I remove a battery
to break the circuit and reassemble the other circuit. I put the
ammeter in line between the coil and SCR. When I connect the gate
line to the SCR some amperage goes through the coil, otherwise none.
This leads me to believe the circuit is correct, but there is not
enough power going into the coil. I reiterate dissasembling the
circuit and reassembling it and repeating the SCR experiment. There
is again not amperage into the coil until I apply the 9V, dropped over
a 330 Ohm resistor, to the gate of the SCR which says "trigger
current: 25 mA Typ." When I remove the trigger current stops flowing
and the ammeter drops again to zero. There doesn't seem to be a pulse
from the capacitors, maybe they are incorrectly installed or bad.
+ -----------------
| | |
R1 | coil
| /|\ |
| C1C2C3 SCR -- R2 -
| \|/ | |
| | | +
| | | -
| | | |
- ---------------------------
R1: ~11000 Ohm bleed resistor
C1, C2, C3: 47 uF 200V electrolytic capacitors
SCR: 1A, 200V SCR
R2: 330 Ohm resistor
I've put about thirty or forty hours into reading and studying,
shopping for parts took a couple hours and assembly and testing a
couple hours, or four or five hours. I can see the benefit of one of
those solder vacuums. I fried an LED in connecting it to a 9V
battery, aw, my first ruined part.
I guess next thing to do is to get or build a transformer for working
with wall current, with the "full-wave bridge rectifier", and see if
that would be enough power to energize the coil, and track down some
higher rated capacitors. What's the most "bang for buck" in
capacitors?
Here's my main question: assuming I get enough power into the coil
that it draws something into the coil, how can I determine
electronically from the dynamic electromagnetic characteristics of the
coil when the item has been drawn into the coil with the most force,
to then deenergize the coil so the projectile gets maximum impetus
from the coil? In a related question, how could I sense from a coil
that is magnetized at low power when something enters its magnetic
field strongly, the idea here being having feedback timing instead of
programmed or photosensor timing?
Please describe the design of a coilgun to launch 10000 kilograms into
space.
I search sci.electronics for coilguns. I read some interesting
comment on "Does anyone see anything inherently wrong with this
design?", taking note of "Wheeler's equation" and induced-current
effects from motion. Here's a design schmematic from Russia:
http://www.pskovinfo.ru/coilgun/vcircuit.gif
That design is using 47 uF capacitors, but 400V, and 150uF caps at
400V. Oh, I guess if the capacitor is wired in series it sums the
voltage, where I have wired them in parallel to sum the capacitance.
I read something that said wiring the capacitors in series is 1/C1 +
1/C2 +....
I look to http://mgc314.home.comcast.net/opticoil_trans_in.htm . It
says 11 gauge wire should use around 2500V.
Can a small battery charge a large capacitor? What's the cheapest way
that I could put together a coilgun that I could carry around that
shoots projectiles faster than my bow at 325 fps? How would square
wire be different? Is it the skin effect? Capacitors used to be huge
and full of liquid.
Basically I want to drive the 62 turns of 11 gauge wire, my first
coil, 2.2 millimeter diameter wire, 15.8 millimeter internal diameter
coil, around 11.8 millimeter plastic pipe, to launch a 7.05 gram nail
among ~12 grams of wood at 100 m/s. Please advise. I'm off to read
the rabid teenagers' high voltage coilgun progress. Thank you for
your advice.
Ross Finlayson
The coil is better at the beginning of the winding than towards the
end, there are five or six gaps of a millimeter or so in the latter
half of the coil. I started by drilling a hole through the 1/2" inner
diameter PVC pipe and threading an end of the wire through it, then
wrapping the wire as tightly as feasible by hand around the pipe, with
the threaded end acting as a backstop. I wound twenty or thirty
coils, then drilled another hole at six inches from the first and kept
winding until that was reached, then the wire was snipped from the
spool giving a foot or so extra and that end threaded through the
second hole. The first hole didn't have enough coming through to work
with so I pulled it out and unwound a coil and rethreaded it.
The coil is almost decent, the average diameter is pretty good as it
is wound tightly around the pipe, but there are five or six gaps of
about a millimeter. I try to even those out. I have access to lots
of 10 gauge round and square magnet wire.
So now I plan to tape the coil to help hold it in place, then pull the
end out of the PVC to be the leads. It might be better to use an
epoxy to hold the coil down, but I plan to just leave it on there a
couple days and handle it and figure it will come to rest in its
coiled form. I put tape around the coil, and pull the backstops, it
spreads a little.
The wire is some surplus wire, it looks like copper wire and is soft
enough to turn by hand, but some of the insulation has come off and it
looks like aluminum. The spool says 11 gauge wire, the wire is about
3/32" in diameter. It has about 62 1/4 turns that will be usable, one
winding, in a 5/8" inner diameter coil that is about 6" in length.
I got from Radio Shack, the local 'lectronic parts retail outlet, a
bag of assorted resistors and one of electrolytic capacitors, and some
LEDs and a battery case to hold four 1.58V AA batteries, and some
circuit board, I wanted to get but didn't see one of those 9V battery
posts. I look through the capacitors from the three dollar capacitor
assortment and the biggest ones are only 47 microfarads at 200 Volts.
I can wire three of them in parallel for basically a capacitor of 141
uF at 200V. That is not a large enough capacitor.
I search the Internet for car audio capacitors, they have ones with
extra digital baggage that are some 2.5 farads, 24V, for a hundred
dollars or so. To charge something like that I would instead of
alkaline batteries be looking towards 6V motorcycle batteries, or a
12/13.8 volt automotive battery, or a transformer fed with wall
current. I read that adding EDTA powder dissolved in distilled water
helps with desulfonation of liquid electrolye lead acid batteries.
So I guess I should tape this coil and wire its ends into modular
leads of some form, then I will be running various wires into the
leads. I think I should start with low power and just try to get an
idea using a couple cheap multimeters what happens to the coil with
various inputs, and if it is of enough power to draw these wood screws
in a dowel into the coil, then I can run the dowel through by hand and
help determine if I can use some effects of the variable solenoid to
automate the switching.
I look for a model to Barry's Mark II coilgun. I only have puny 47
microfarad capacitors here, where his design is using a 28000
microfarad capacitor. I take the piece of circuit board and lay out
the wires and components, three of those capacitors in parallel, an
10000 Ohm bleed resistor, and the line with the coil and the SCR, for
each from positive to negative. I don't have a diode protecting the
capacitors. I solder the wires and components, and connect the wires
to the power supply (four ganged AA batteries) and the coil. I test
all the connections as possible. I put on safety goggles, because I
am afraid of the capacitors, and put the batteries in and then apply
the gate charge to the SCR with the 9V battery. The screw sits
obstinately in the coil.
I conclude perhaps the coil is bad, I fried some element, the power
supply or capacitance is too weak, I assembled it incorrectly, or the
power supply is too weak.
I connect the battery pack to the coil. The coil does not exhibit
enough magnetic activity to pick up little bits of wire, it's an air
cored coil. The battery pack grows warm quickly. I remove a battery
to break the circuit and reassemble the other circuit. I put the
ammeter in line between the coil and SCR. When I connect the gate
line to the SCR some amperage goes through the coil, otherwise none.
This leads me to believe the circuit is correct, but there is not
enough power going into the coil. I reiterate dissasembling the
circuit and reassembling it and repeating the SCR experiment. There
is again not amperage into the coil until I apply the 9V, dropped over
a 330 Ohm resistor, to the gate of the SCR which says "trigger
current: 25 mA Typ." When I remove the trigger current stops flowing
and the ammeter drops again to zero. There doesn't seem to be a pulse
from the capacitors, maybe they are incorrectly installed or bad.
+ -----------------
| | |
R1 | coil
| /|\ |
| C1C2C3 SCR -- R2 -
| \|/ | |
| | | +
| | | -
| | | |
- ---------------------------
R1: ~11000 Ohm bleed resistor
C1, C2, C3: 47 uF 200V electrolytic capacitors
SCR: 1A, 200V SCR
R2: 330 Ohm resistor
I've put about thirty or forty hours into reading and studying,
shopping for parts took a couple hours and assembly and testing a
couple hours, or four or five hours. I can see the benefit of one of
those solder vacuums. I fried an LED in connecting it to a 9V
battery, aw, my first ruined part.
I guess next thing to do is to get or build a transformer for working
with wall current, with the "full-wave bridge rectifier", and see if
that would be enough power to energize the coil, and track down some
higher rated capacitors. What's the most "bang for buck" in
capacitors?
Here's my main question: assuming I get enough power into the coil
that it draws something into the coil, how can I determine
electronically from the dynamic electromagnetic characteristics of the
coil when the item has been drawn into the coil with the most force,
to then deenergize the coil so the projectile gets maximum impetus
from the coil? In a related question, how could I sense from a coil
that is magnetized at low power when something enters its magnetic
field strongly, the idea here being having feedback timing instead of
programmed or photosensor timing?
Please describe the design of a coilgun to launch 10000 kilograms into
space.
I search sci.electronics for coilguns. I read some interesting
comment on "Does anyone see anything inherently wrong with this
design?", taking note of "Wheeler's equation" and induced-current
effects from motion. Here's a design schmematic from Russia:
http://www.pskovinfo.ru/coilgun/vcircuit.gif
That design is using 47 uF capacitors, but 400V, and 150uF caps at
400V. Oh, I guess if the capacitor is wired in series it sums the
voltage, where I have wired them in parallel to sum the capacitance.
I read something that said wiring the capacitors in series is 1/C1 +
1/C2 +....
I look to http://mgc314.home.comcast.net/opticoil_trans_in.htm . It
says 11 gauge wire should use around 2500V.
Can a small battery charge a large capacitor? What's the cheapest way
that I could put together a coilgun that I could carry around that
shoots projectiles faster than my bow at 325 fps? How would square
wire be different? Is it the skin effect? Capacitors used to be huge
and full of liquid.
Basically I want to drive the 62 turns of 11 gauge wire, my first
coil, 2.2 millimeter diameter wire, 15.8 millimeter internal diameter
coil, around 11.8 millimeter plastic pipe, to launch a 7.05 gram nail
among ~12 grams of wood at 100 m/s. Please advise. I'm off to read
the rabid teenagers' high voltage coilgun progress. Thank you for
your advice.
Ross Finlayson