AoE 3rd Edition coming soon? A question for Winfield

[phaeton]

Winfield, I notice you post at times, so hopefully you won't mind if I
ask a question or three ;-)

1) Any truth to the tenative release date of AoE 3rd Edition around
August?

2) In a post here many years ago (Aug 18 1998) you stated:

"Furthermore, as Roy mentioned, the 3rd edition will necessarily
have a rather dramatic amount of good stuff removed, to stay in
our page limit. So the 2nd edition will certainly be a keeper! "

Is this still the case? I do not have any copy of AoE at the moment,
but was hoping to get the latest and greatest and be done.

3) Will there also be the smattering of Student Guides and Supplemental
test books to follow the 3rd edition?

4) ???

Thanks for your time and suggestions. (Thanks to anyone else that
answers too)

-phaeton

 

[Michael Black]

Winfield, I notice you post at times, so hopefully you won't mind if I
ask a question or three ;-)

1) Any truth to the tenative release date of AoE 3rd Edition around
August?

2) In a post here many years ago (Aug 18 1998) you stated:

"Furthermore, as Roy mentioned, the 3rd edition will necessarily
have a rather dramatic amount of good stuff removed, to stay in
our page limit. So the 2nd edition will certainly be a keeper! "

I seem to recall he posted more recently than 1998 about the next
edition, though that was likely two years or so ago.

I get the feeling chances are good that there will be a third edition,
but it's a long time coming.

Michael

 

[phaeton]

I get the feeling chances are good that there will be a third edition,
but it's a long time coming.

Michael

http://isbn.nu/0521809266
and
http://www.fetchbook.info/Art_Of_Electronics.html

Is what got me going. However, I notice that Amazon and Barnes N Noble
appear oblivious. I somehow recall Amazon typically having general
data on books prior to their release, but who knows.

Hopefully I haven't painted Winfield (nor Paul) into a corner now with
the links. ;-P

I guess we'll see.

-Phaeton

 

[Genome]

Winfield, I notice you post at times, so hopefully you won't mind if I
ask a question or three ;-)

2) In a post here many years ago (Aug 18 1998) you stated:

"Furthermore, as Roy mentioned, the 3rd edition will necessarily
have a rather dramatic amount of good stuff removed, to stay in
our page limit. So the 2nd edition will certainly be a keeper! "


-phaeton

There is a rumour that Paul and Win are in negotiation with the producers of
'Star Trek Enterprise' for an episode where they are recombobulated to solve
a problem with the deep core electronics of the something or another that
was designed by Zaphod Beeblebrox.

As a result of the above statement the crew have access to the 2nd Edition,
preserved from a car boot sale but, unfortunately, Zefram Cochrane was
referring to the 1st Edition.

Having discovered that Zaphod resulted from a problem with the MySQL
database, and is a has been from the days of the BBC (there is a problem
with recombobulation resulting in a bloke with one head who knows **** all
about electronics) they find that Zefram, the true holder of all things
multidimensional is otherwise out to lunch.

As a last resort our Heroes are brought back to life but who should the crew
believe The Old Senile Bloke or the Young Buck?

As the clock ticks down to final Galactic Armageddon.

Captain Jonathon Archer tries to come to terms with the father he has lost
to a war torn mind. 'You're the bloke who skipped through time and dressed
up as a woman, my son would not do this to me'.

Sub-Commander T'Pol finds herself in love with a Legend she will never
understand.

How many cardigans must she knit with No.1 needles to win the heart of this
quiet and tormented stranger?

Is the number an integer?

Who will discover the final meaning of the colour code?

Will it provide the answer?

Why did the BOFH rip me off?

The final twist to the tail..... I leave you in anticipation.

DNA

 

[phaeton]

The final twist to the tail..... I leave you in anticipation.

DNA

Very very good points, however, you've overlooked a few minor details-

Prior to the S.O.L. crashing to earth, Tom Servo destroyed all but two
of his clones (under direction of Dr. Who). Instead, he jettisoned
them into outer space, where they've since hooked up with Obi Wan
Tapioca to fight off the likes of Feyd and the blister-faced floating
fat guy.

Oar something.

(Otherwise, I give you a thumbs up for the post. I'm nowhere near as
imaginative as you) :-D

-Phaeton

 

[Rich Grise]

Winfield, I notice you post at times, so hopefully you won't mind if I
ask a question or three ;-)

1) Any truth to the tenative release date of AoE 3rd Edition around
August?

2) In a post here many years ago (Aug 18 1998) you stated:

"Furthermore, as Roy mentioned, the 3rd edition will necessarily
have a rather dramatic amount of good stuff removed, to stay in
our page limit. So the 2nd edition will certainly be a keeper! "

Is this still the case? I do not have any copy of AoE at the moment,
but was hoping to get the latest and greatest and be done.

3) Will there also be the smattering of Student Guides and Supplemental
test books to follow the 3rd edition?

4) ???

Thanks for your time and suggestions. (Thanks to anyone else that
answers too)

I've downloaded "Thinking in C++", vols. 1 and 2, and they do a clever
thing - at the end of each chapter, there's a little review, and a link
which says, "To get the answer sheet, just visit ..." and they sell
the _answer sheet_!

Probably not a whole heck of a lot of money in it, but who knows? In
any case, Win Hill and Mr. Horowitz should certainly be compensated for
their time!

I hadn't heard that so much good stuff would get gone, but there must
be a lot more bleeding-edge stuff in it, or something.

Thanks!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

I seem to recall he posted more recently than 1998 about the next
edition, though that was likely two years or so ago.

I get the feeling chances are good that there will be a third edition,
but it's a long time coming.

Do you suppose that he's keeping us salivating, just so it will be a big
hit when it hits the streets? ;-) There's at least a dozen people just
around s.e.d who would buy the thing. Win, are you going to go around and
do book signings? ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie]

There is a rumour that Paul and Win are in negotiation with the
producers of 'Star Trek Enterprise' for an episode where they are
recombobulated to solve a problem with the deep core electronics of the
something or another that was designed by Zaphod Beeblebrox.

As a result of the above statement the crew have access to the 2nd
Edition, preserved from a car boot sale but, unfortunately, Zefram
Cochrane was referring to the 1st Edition.

Speaking of Zephram Cochrane, (sp?) I think a way kewl idea for a new
space opera series would be something like: "Star Trek: The Other Side"
It picks up where the other alternate universe story leaves off - Hoshi,
having just dispatched Archer (albeit relatively painlessly), and
captaining the way, way advanced Enterprise that's from the future in the
"good" universe. The final line in the ep is something like, "This is
Empress Sato."

Would it be kewl to see The Earth Empire kicking the Klingons' asses, and
enslaving the Vulcans? >:->

Cheers!
Rich the nerd
"recombobulated" - heh! I like that! ;-)
Recombobulate yourself!

 

[Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie]

Very very good points, however, you've overlooked a few minor details-

Prior to the S.O.L. crashing to earth, Tom Servo destroyed all but two
of his clones (under direction of Dr. Who). Instead, he jettisoned
them into outer space, where they've since hooked up with Obi Wan
Tapioca to fight off the likes of Feyd and the blister-faced floating
fat guy.

Oar something.

(Otherwise, I give you a thumbs up for the post. I'm nowhere near as
imaginative as you) :-D

Tom Servo? Wasn't he the partner of H. Ross Perobot?

Thanks!
Rich

 

[Mac]

Winfield, I notice you post at times, so hopefully you won't mind if I
ask a question or three ;-)

1) Any truth to the tenative release date of AoE 3rd Edition around
August?

Last I heard (here in SED), there was no firm release date. Win jokes
about it once in a while. Search his old posts.

2) In a post here many years ago (Aug 18 1998) you stated:

"Furthermore, as Roy mentioned, the 3rd edition will necessarily
have a rather dramatic amount of good stuff removed, to stay in
our page limit. So the 2nd edition will certainly be a keeper! "

Is this still the case? I do not have any copy of AoE at the moment,
but was hoping to get the latest and greatest and be done.

Personally, I recommend you buy the 2nd edition in the mean time, just in
case...

3) Will there also be the smattering of Student Guides and Supplemental
test books to follow the 3rd edition?

4) ???

Thanks for your time and suggestions. (Thanks to anyone else that
answers too)

-phaeton

--Mac

 

[Deefoo]

Do you suppose that he's keeping us salivating, just so it will be a big
hit when it hits the streets? ;-) There's at least a dozen people just
around s.e.d who would buy the thing. Win, are you going to go around and
do book signings? ;-)

Wow, a whole dozen?!?! That sure is a big hit. Seriously, what I find truly
amazing is that AoE is listed around nr 7500 (of about 4.5 million!) on
Amazon's top book sellers list.

--DF

 

[[email protected]]

Wow, a whole dozen?!?! That sure is a big hit. Seriously, what I find truly
amazing is that AoE is listed around nr 7500 (of about 4.5 million!) on
Amazon's top book sellers list.

The book is a university text book - admittedly aimed at bright
students. Paul Horowitz originally developed it for his electronics for
physicists ourse at Harvard, and it was an undergraduate text in the
electronic engineering course at Cambridge University in the U.K. when
I was working in Cambridge (not at the university).

Successful undergraduate textbooks sell very well - a psychologist that
I know got a $250,000 advance from his pulbisher for the third edition
of his first-year psychology textbook, which only stands at 52,000 in
the Amazon sales rankings.

 

[Winfield Hill]

phaeton wrote...

Winfield, I notice you post at times, so hopefully you won't
mind if I ask a question or three ;-)
1) Any truth to the tenative release date of AoE 3rd Edition
around August?

I'm sorry, but no. We're only about 1/3 through the project,
but we intend to pick up the pace. The 3rd-edition listings
seem to have come from the ISBN number that was assigned for
the project, and perhaps a leak from a project database at
C.U.G., we haven't been able to get a definitive answer.

2) In a post here many years ago (Aug 18 1998) you stated:
"Furthermore, as Roy mentioned, the 3rd edition will necessarily
have a rather dramatic amount of good stuff removed, to stay in
our page limit. So the 2nd edition will certainly be a keeper! "

Is this still the case? I do not have any copy of AoE at the
moment, but was hoping to get the latest and greatest and be done.

Yes. Huge portions of the 2nd edition will disappear, to slightly
shorten the book, and to make room for new material. For example,
most of the last third of the book is at risk. Selected portions
from the deleted chapters will be moved into advanced "X-chapters"
following each conventional chapter, but much good material will be
lost. BTW, lots of good stuff in the first edition didn't make it
into the 2nd edition.

3) Will there also be the smattering of Student Guides and
Supplemental test books to follow the 3rd edition?

Smattering? The student manual will be updated.

 

[Winfield Hill]

[email protected] wrote...

The book is a university text book - admittedly aimed at bright
students. Paul Horowitz originally developed it for his electronics for
physicists ourse at Harvard, and it was an undergraduate text in the
electronic engineering course at Cambridge University in the U.K. when
I was working in Cambridge (not at the university).

That's not wholly true. Our book was written as a reference book as
well as a textbook. To the extent we start at a basic level, we hoped
the book could be a self-learning and reference tool for a non-engineer
or hobbyist. We wanted to appeal to graduate students in fields other
than physics or engineering. It's true that Paul's motivation to work
on the book came in part from his need for a book for Physics 123, the
Harvard Physics dept electronics course. But my motivation came from
a desire to tell the world about my bag of design tricks and my favored
back-of-the-envelope approach to electronics engineering. As we say in
the preface, it's a book by a practicing engineer and a teacher. Even
though the early project-pitch to publishers was based on Paul's class
notes, there's not much in common between them and the finished book.
That early pitch to publishers, BTW, resulted in a stream of rejections.

Successful undergraduate textbooks sell very well - a psychologist that
I know got a $250,000 advance from his pulbisher for the third edition
of his first-year psychology textbook, which only stands at 52,000 in
the Amazon sales rankings.

It does do well in Amazon's rankings and has sold over 500,000 copies
worldwide, IIRC. But our publisher's analysis shows that less than
half of those were for classroom textbook use. Our book is clearly not
optimally designed as a textbook, it has far too much reference material
that's not relevant to teaching and confuses the student who's preparing
for taking exams. It's ideally oriented, in our minds, to a scientific
experimenter who needs to make something to improve their experiment.

It can be helpful to a classically-educated electronics engineer who
needs to pick up some practical circuit-design skills. You know, the
engineer who may be well trained in FPGAs, microprocessors and MatLab,
but who doesn't know much about soldering irons, JFETs, opamp current
sources, or power transformers with bridge rectifiers and filter caps.
It also goes into considerable detail in some areas not often taught
in EE school, but often needed in the real world, such as low-noise
amplifiers and low-power circuit-design tricks.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

[email protected] wrote...



That's not wholly true. Our book was written as a reference book as
well as a textbook. To the extent we start at a basic level, we hoped
the book could be a self-learning and reference tool for a non-engineer
or hobbyist. We wanted to appeal to graduate students in fields other
than physics or engineering. It's true that Paul's motivation to work
on the book came in part from his need for a book for Physics 123, the
Harvard Physics dept electronics course. But my motivation came from
a desire to tell the world about my bag of design tricks and my favored
back-of-the-envelope approach to electronics engineering. As we say in
the preface, it's a book by a practicing engineer and a teacher. Even
though the early project-pitch to publishers was based on Paul's class
notes, there's not much in common between them and the finished book.
That early pitch to publishers, BTW, resulted in a stream of rejections.




It does do well in Amazon's rankings and has sold over 500,000 copies
worldwide, IIRC. But our publisher's analysis shows that less than
half of those were for classroom textbook use. Our book is clearly not
optimally designed as a textbook, it has far too much reference material
that's not relevant to teaching and confuses the student who's preparing
for taking exams. It's ideally oriented, in our minds, to a scientific
experimenter who needs to make something to improve their experiment.

It can be helpful to a classically-educated electronics engineer who
needs to pick up some practical circuit-design skills. You know, the
engineer who may be well trained in FPGAs, microprocessors and MatLab,
but who doesn't know much about soldering irons, JFETs, opamp current
sources, or power transformers with bridge rectifiers and filter caps.
It also goes into considerable detail in some areas not often taught
in EE school, but often needed in the real world, such as low-noise
amplifiers and low-power circuit-design tricks.

I never find an application circuit in that thing when I'm looking for one.

 

[John Larkin]

I never find an application circuit in that thing when I'm looking for one.

I'm an engineer, so I never look for application circuits; I design
circuits. What I look for in a book like AoE [1] is ideas, tricks,
lore, and new perspectives.

John

[1] And there are few like AoE. Jim Williams' two books on analog
circuit design, and Phil Hobbs' one on EO systems, come to mind. Can
anyone recommend more?

 

[[email protected]]

suggestions for 3rd edition

1. more on UHF and above RF
2. more on high speed sampling, better explation of aliasing and
practical FFTs
3. more info on basic conductivity, insulators in a medium or high
voltage environment, very high value resistors, and measuring low ohms.



I often find myself handing my copy of edition two to chemical
engineers working on their masters and doctorates in Polymer Science.
We do have some here working on really conductive pastes for
replacing solder. A few work on better HV insulators. Many chemists
have a hard time wrapping their minds around Ohm's law, let alone using
a Keithly electrometer. Simple leakage in insulators really blows their
minds. A few hours with AOE usually gets them asking the right
questions

Thanks,
Steve Roberts

 

[Joel Kolstad]

[1] And there are few like AoE. Jim Williams' two books on analog
circuit design, and Phil Hobbs' one on EO systems, come to mind. Can
anyone recommend more?

If you narrow your focus to op-amp designs, Jim's suggestion of "Intuitive IC
Op Amps" by Fredericksen has a lot of practical hints & tricks within.

---Joel

 

[Joel Kolstad]

2. more on high speed sampling, better explation of aliasing and
practical FFTs

While you're waiting for the 3rd edition of AoE, Rick Carter's DSP book has
plenty on this topic... it's also an Amazon.Com best seller for good reason.

 

[mc]

Winfield, could you drop me a line by e-mail about a related project?
Either your e-mail isn't working or I haven't successfully
reverse-engineered the address. Thanks.

mc at
uga
dot edu