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Max Hauser

Lots of old farts here these days, it seems. Here are answers from 16 years
ago, updated and supplemented. End notes include information references
that some people may find useful some time. (Note on date confusion: The
quiz was written in 1986 and first posted to sci.electronics 1987, contrary
to my earlier claim of 1988 which was based on the date of a file I had,
likely a re-posting.)


1. Assuming that you are acquainted with the "cascode" configuration, do you
know where the term came from?

A cascode amplifier has one device "stacked" on another (as in
collector-to-emitter, or plate-to-cathode). An appealing explanation of the
term, promoted in the 1980s by people I know and also reasoned out by
respondents here, is that it came from CASCading one amplifying triode
(valve) into the cathODE of another. That however is nothing like the
explanation by Hunt and Hickman (1939), the earliest coinage that I or
anyone I've read has located (and which claims explicitly to coin "cascode"
as a new word). The term appears in a long comparison of triode, tetrode,
pentode, and "cascode" tubes in DC voltage regulators. Hunt and Hickman
applied the nickname as if it designated another or "virtual" type of tube.
More detail in [Note 1] at the end.


2. What is a reflex amplifier?

A circuit that simultaneously amplifies two or more independent signals in
separate frequency bands. Used in RF receivers and TVs to amplify a
high-frequency signal and then, after detection, run the audio back through
the same tube, separating the signals via their different frequency ranges.
Led to optimal designs in technologies where the active components were very
expensive (as with tubes and early transistors).


3. What is the basic principle of a superhet receiver? of a regenerative
receiver? The difference between a mixer and a converter (in RF)?

Superheterodyne: Intermodulate an incoming RF signal with a tunable local
oscillator to yield a frequency-translated signal at an "intermediate"
frequency (IF); this can then be filtered for selectivity and sensitivity by
a *fixed* tuned-amplifier chain (see #15) [Note2]

Regenerative: positive feedback in a simple amplifier stage increases gain.

A mixer combines two signals to produce beat frequencies; it approximates an
ideal of multiplying the voltage waveforms. A converter is a
self-oscillating mixer that generates its own reference frequency. Five-grid
tubes (heptodes) were sometimes used; more recently [1987], multiple-gate
MOSFETs.


4. Who developed the op amp, and when?

Electronic amplifiers used in feedback loops to simulate other things
(electronic analog computation) appeared about 1938. That, by the way, is
how the term "analog" infiltrated electronics; earlier one heard of power,
audio, radio, and occasionally pulse and "switching" electronics. But the
op amp as a practical and familiar device is largely credited to George A.
Philbrick and Loebe Julie from the 1940s onward [Note 3].


5. What is the "purple plague"?

One of a class of parasitic alloys of gold and aluminum that can form on IC
wire bonds and impair reliability. It was a major chip reliability problem
in bipolar-technology parts circa 1970.


6. What is a class-C amplifier and where is it typically used?

An amplifying device operating in class C (as opposed to A, AB, B, D, E, F,
S, X, etc. etc. etc.) is defined as conducting current for less than 50% of
a sinusoidal cycle. Normally used in tuned power amplifiers, where a
resonant load circuit maintains output-waveform integrity despite the
distorted current waveform in the active device. Many AM transmitters
employed class-C power stages (to which modulation was applied by varying
the power supply.) [Original answer continued with gentle jab at a
late-1970s fashion for naming obscurely-different and rarely-used new
amplification "classes."]


7. Can you describe a tunnel diode? A unijunction transistor? An SCS? (What
is the basic principle of each and what are they used for.)

The tunnel (Esaki) diode (the 1N3712 series was famous, from General
Electric I believe): low-voltage incremental-negative-resistance device
based on a heavily-doped PN junction with a very thin depletion region.
Although it never fulfilled initial high hopes as an important switching
element, there is still nothing handier if you need to make a low-power VHF
transmitter the size of a pencil eraser. The tunnel diode, like the
transistor, is one of those devices that (a) occasioned a Nobel prize and
(b) had actually existed much earlier than widely assumed, but was believed
useless by earlier discoverers. (I have more info on that.)

Unijunction transistors are three-terminal (base-1, base-2, emitter)
negative-resistance devices where the emitter conducts current in a range of
voltages set by the bias on the two bases. Commonly used as a threshold
sensor or relaxation oscillator. The Semiconductor Controlled Switch is a
four-layer (PNPN) device like the Semiconductor Controlled Rectifier (SCR)
but with its gate electrode at the N mid-layer instead of the P, and
optimized for control rather than power-switching applications. The SCS is
now often lumped together under the name SCR.


8. Traditional op-amp ICs were designed whenever possible to run on +- 15
volts. Why that voltage?

Allowing a clean output swing of +- 10V, a convenient scale for their
original service as analog-computer computation elements. Vaccuum-tube op
amps set the trend earlier with +- 100V standard output swings. See also
Note 3 on op amps.


9. What do the following acronyms stand for: PDP, VAX, ASCII, EBCDIC, PRV,
BFO, RTTY, CW, VSB, VOR, Conelrad?

Programmed Data Processor (of course!); Virtual Address eXtension; American
Standard Code for Information Interchange; Extended Binary-Coded Decimal
Information Code; Peak Return Voltage; Beat-Frequency Oscillator;
RadioTeleTYpe; Continuous-Wave; Vestigial-SideBand; VHFOmnidirectional
Range; Plan for CONtrol of ELectromagnetic RADiation [Note 4]. I believe
that "PDP" is not now the "household" word it was in 1986 when this quiz
originally appeared, but it still is among old farts. In 1973, according to
DEC's advertising at the time, one-third of the world's computers were
PDP-8s.


10. What was revolutionary about the 741 op amp?

It was the first major IC op amp fully self-contained; it required no
external components for AC stability. As Jim Roberge pointed out in his
text on op amps, the particular frequency compensation built into the uA741
was performance-limiting for many non-DC applications, but it was simple to
use and it sold anyway.


11. Can you specifically describe the commercial semiconductor devices known
by the following terms: 1N34, CK722, 2N107, 2N998, 2N1304, 2N2222, 2N3055,
U222, uL900, uL958, uA703, uA709, SN7300 series, SUHL, CCSL, HTL, ECCSL,
Utilogic, COSMOS, Intel 1101, Intel 1702.

High points: 1N34, ubiquitous glass-packaged germanium signal diode; 2N998,
TO-18-packaged Darlington transistor pair; U222, early power RF junction
FET, handy but expensive; uL900, Fairchild RTL buffer chip (very SSI logic);
uL958, Fairchild early decade-counter chip (one of the classic "MSI"
circuits); 703, Fairchild RF amplifier chip; 709, Fairchild op-amp chip
(1964), hardly the first monolithic op amp but perhaps the first that was
really successful and competed with discrete-component designs. SN7300
series, TI DTL logic family, later eclipsed by TI's durable 7400 TTL family;
SUHL, Sylvania Universal High-Level Logic, and CCSL, Fairchild's Compatible
Current-Sinking Logic DTL-TTL family, both contenders in late 1960s for the
industry-standard status that finally fell to TI's 5400/7400 series; ECCSL,
Emitter-Coupled Current-Steered Logic, an ECL family from (?) RCA; Utilogic,
Signetics's offbeat SSI-MSI logic family with a mix of circuit types and
native gates of all four types; COSMOS, RCA's 1960s trademark for its
pioneering COmplementary-Symmetry MOS (later "CMOS") logic -- the original
CMOS; 1101, original MOS static RAM from Intel (256 bits, high-threshold
PMOS technology).

Extra Credit: "Signetics" was originally an acronym. Standing for?


12. Can you identify the following trademarks: Nixie, Pixie, Numitron?

The Nixie, as discussed on this newsgroup [as of 1987], is a neon glow tube
with glowing cathodes shaped like characters. The Pixie, its predecessor
and a much better article of old-fartness, had a disk anode visible from the
front with holes cut out in the shape of characters; glowing cathodes behind
them illuminated the desired character. Both are Burroughs trademarks.
Numitron was RCA's trademark for its hot-wire incandescent seven-segment
displays, popular circa 1970 but largely supplanted by LEDs and other
more-recently-perfected technologies.


13. What is a thyratron? a magic-eye tube? a compactron?

Thyratrons are hot-cathode gas-filled tubes that latch in response to a gate
signal, predecessors of PNPN devices. Used mainly in switching and
power-control applications. [In the original I predicted that they might be
useful again in switching (class-D) audio amplifiers for resolute
vaccuum-tube enthusiasts.] Some vaccuum-tube and hybrid digital computers,
such as the Sperry (?) SS-90, employed thyratrons as registers. A magic-eye
tube, for the benefit of anyone missing the earlier [1987] discussion on the
net, is an end-viewed fluorescent analog display used often as a level
indicator. Compactrons are a class of late miniature tubes, common through
the early 1970s, with lots of independent devices within each bottle, and
large pin counts.


14. What magnitudes of voltage(s) are required for operating the following
devices: neon bulb; Xenon flashtube; Geiger-Mueller tube, Esaki diode

Neon bulb, around 100V; Xenon flashtude, 200-300V for small ones, and a
trigger pulse of a few kV; G-M tube, 400-600V; Esaki (tunnel) diode,
hundreds of millivolts.


15. What IF frequencies are commonly used in the US for AM broadcast, FM
broadcast, TV sound, TV picture?

455 kHz; 10.7 MHz; 4.5 MHz; 45 MHz. See #3 for definition of IF.


16. What is a Hartley oscillator? a Colpitts oscillator? a Pierce
oscillator? a Wien-bridge oscillator? a blocking oscillator?

Hartley, LC sinusoidal oscillator with tapped coil; Colpitts, LC sinusoidal
oscillator with capacitive voltage divider; Pierce, a crystal or LC-tank
oscillator; and the Wien-bridge type, an RC sinusoidal oscillator. The
blocking oscillator is an RL oscillator typically used for timing at
sub-megahertz rates and usually realized with a transformer and a single
active device (transistor or tube).


17. Quick, without calculation: What voltage corresponds to zero dBm in a
600-ohm circuit?

0.775 V (the voltage corresponding to 1 mW in 600 ohms). This is a standard
reference value for classic 600-ohm professional audio circuits.


18. What is an Eccles-Jordan circuit? A polyflop? A switch-tail ring
counter? A Johnson counter? An AC-coupled flip-flop?

The Eccles-Jordan multivibrator is the original flip-flop, built with
vaccuum tubes. It is exactly the kind of device to which the IEEE _Spectrum_
devotes those nostalgic, elegiac articles for which it is lately [1987] so
well known. A polyflop is a generalization of the flip-flop, with more than
two outputs, only one of which is "on" at any time. It can be constructed
by cross-connecting NAND or NOR gates with as many inputs as gates.

A switch-tail ring counter or Johnson counter is a counter formed of a shift
register with its output inverted and fed to its input. In practice, it is
usually safer to gate all of the outputs back to the input so that the
circuit can recover if it enters an undesired state. AC-coupled flip-flops
are edge-triggered flip-flops whose clock input is capacitively coupled.
Common in two-valve or two-transistor discrete FF's, of the Eccles-Jordan
type, this method was also used in some bipolar monolithic FFs.


19. In the context of filters, what is a biquad? [1987 Note: most engineers
get this wrong.]

A biquad is any block that realizes a biquadratic transfer function (i.e.,
numerator and denominator are quadratic polynomials in s [for continuous
time] or in z to the -1 [for discrete time]). Many analog people think it
means a specific op-amp-based circuit that is actually only one
implementation.


20. What does it mean when a resistor is marked with bands
red-yellow-green-silver? a capacitor with letters "104K"?

2400000 ohms ["245"], 10% tolerance; 100000pF (0.1 uF), 10% tolerance [Note
5]


21. If an aluminum [UK: aluminium] electrolytic capacitor is rated for a
"working voltage" of 10 volts, in what range of voltages is it designed to
operate?

Not more, but more importantly not much less, than 10 volts. Five volts,
probably OK; two volts, it may not form the dielectric layer reliably.
[That was old wisdom. Modern experts here will if necessary correct me, I
feel confident.]


22. Roughly compare ceramic, polystyrene, and polycarbonate capacitors.

[1987] I posted separately on this earlier, but briefly, ceramic caps are
cheap, compact, wideband and not very precise; polystyrene are cheap,
stable, have very high leakage resistance, and have the larger inductance
characteristic of wound-film rather than sandwich construction; polycarb are
similar to polystyrene but extremely value-stable and expensive.


23. What is a "2 1/2 D" core memory plane?

It's a magnetic-core array of a particular wiring configuration. If the term
is familiar at all, then you remember computers from the Glory Days (IBM
1620, Univac 1108), when computers looked like proper Computers.


24. What is a couplate? a micromodule? the difference between thin-film and
thick-film hybrid circuits?

Thin-film hybrid circuits contain components (resistors, capacitors, wiring)
deposited with a screening process onto a ceramic substrate. In thick-film
hybrids, the components are discrete but leadless and they are attached to a
ceramic substrate after separate fabrication. In both cases, transistor and
IC dice also get attached after separate fabrication. These circuits are
called "hybrid" because they mix discrete-component and integrated-circuit t
echnologies.

Couplates and micromodules are two examples of thin-film hybrids: couplates
(Sprague TM?) were RC interstage coupling networks in capacitor-like
multilead packages; micromodules (IBM term) were digital logic circuits, to
be installed on small PC cards, and heavily used in the 360 (?) series of
mainframe computers.



Note 1: Cascode name

Quotation from the Hunt - Hickman 1939 survey paper coining a term new
"cascode." The relevant text concerns using simple high-gain voltage
amplifier stages for shunt output feedback in voltage regulators. (This
amplifier stage drives the grid of a series cathode follower serving as the
regulator -- standard stuff, still used.) Figure 12(a) shows a triode or
pentode tube as the feedback amplifier, Figure 12(b) a cascode, with a
footnote 14 explicitly coining the term:

This tube connection we have called the "cascode" and,
although somewhat unconventional, it is generally useful
for d. c. amplifier work in which it is inconvenient to supply
the additional bias voltages for a pentode. The dual
triode [used as cascode], as connected, may be shown to
be equivalent to a single triode having an amplification
factor of (u2 + u3 + u2u3) [subscripted] and a plate
resistance of (rp3 + (u3 + 1)rp2), where the subscripts
2 and 3 refer to the lower and upper portions of the
[cascode] tube, respectively. These coefficients must be
evaluated for the existing voltage distributions between the
two sections and experiments indicate that the effective
amplification factor for a type 6C8G tube is approximately
1300 with a plate resistance of 3 to 5 megohms.

That is the complete footnote and it appears amid a long comparison of the
behavior of triode, tetrode, pentode, and "cascode" tubes in DC voltage
regulators. Hunt and Hickman applied the nickname as if it designated
another type of tube. Hunt and Hickman, "On electronic voltage
stabilizers," _Review of Scientific Instruments_ vol. 10 no. 1 pp. 6-21,
January 1939. Coinage of "cascode" and explanation appear on page 16
including footnote 14. By the way, Hunt and Hickman stress this
configuration's "extreme versatility for low voltage (130-600)
applications." Low voltage capability was important, then as now!

There is an account of William Hewlett (famous for a brief student thesis
proposing a new practical RC-based lab oscillator whose merit was a mass of
14 pounds compared to existing technology at 93 pounds, and later
commercialized) late in his life, touring a lab and being asked by an
engineer, "Bill, who invented the cascode configuration?" and answering at
once "Hunt and Hickman." Their work was contemporaneous with his thesis.

In November 1999 I was contacted for historical material on early DC
amplifiers for the latest revision of a respected analog IC design text. I
forwarded the requested information and also a reference to this
Hunt-Hickman "cascode" article. For some reason the correspondence got lost
and instead, the new edition contains the apparently apocryphal "Cascade
into cathode" explanation instead. This will likely be revised later, since
I discussed it with the authors in person in October 2002.


Note 2: Superheterodyne

About 1972 I built an "inductorless" superhet AM radio using 160kHz active
filters for the tuned IF amplifier (Sallen-Key bandpass sections from
Darlington transistors and twin-tee RC networks). That was before recent
fashionable talk of "software-defined" radios. I await with interest the
announcement of the software TEM wave, software low-noise amp, software ADC,
PA, etc.


Note 3: Op amp origins

Julie and Philbrick (familiar names to analog specialists) commercialized
various pioneering analog amplifier and instrumentation techniques. They
collaborated on the famous K2-W (1952), known as the first mass-produced
modular op amp (plug-in octal-based case, two "miniature" tubes out the top,
and a two-gain-stage minor-loop frequency compensation that young engineers
today call "741 type"). All op amp collectors, including me, own K2-Ws, and
connoisseurs can tell you minor details from the case color. (By the way, I
recently acquired a Philbrick metal-case P65, the landmark early-1960s
solid-state op amp with the economical five- or six-transistor
three-gain-stage configuration that sustained the op-amp industry for a
decade.)

The term "operational" amplifier, referring of course to arithmetic
operations in analog computers, came from the 1947 analog-computation paper
by Ragazzini, Randall, and Russell. Philbrick and his firm promoted the
potential uses of the op amp. The firm's applications journal, the
_Lightning Empiricist,_ in the 1950s an 1960s -- supplemented periodically
by a bound Applications Manual -- more or less taught engineers what these
amplifiers can do and led to their acceptance outside computing. Many
people today cherish copies of these classy and seminal publications. In
the heyday of the Philbrick firm, its editor was Dan Sheingold and its head
of research was Bob Pease.

Many tidbits from the early days of the actual "analog" electronics industry
appear also in Jim William's first book (of two with similar titles):
_Analog Circuit Design: Art, Science, and Personalities,_
Butterworth-Heinemann 1991, ISBN 0750696400 (paper) or 0750691662
(acid-free). The high tide of analog computation (1950s-early 1960s)
produced at least two classic books rich with accumulated technique and
wisdom sometimes applicable in new ways: Jackson's _Analog Computation_
(1960) and Korn, later Korn and Korn, _Electronic Analog and Hybrid
Computers_ (two editions, 1964 and 1972).


Note 4: Conelrad

After the second world war and especially after 1949 (you DO know why that
date, don't you?) the US became newly concerned about domestic air defense.
A guidance method for hostile air fleets of "any aggressor," as Eisenhower
called Stalin, was navigation via known locations of broadcast radio
stations. Conelrad was a plan to switch some of them off and the others to
640 or 1240 kHz to remain on the air. Hence, US-made AM-broadcast radio
tuning scales of the 1950s to middle 1960s showed small marks at 640 and
1240kHz to remind people. There was a little radio jingle to a nine-note
fanfare, remembered by people older than me:
"six-forty-twelve-forty-Conelrad!" I have a type WE300 telephone (square
base, heavy, contemporaneous) with an original label on the front:

When Civil Defense Sirens Sound
DO NOT USE TELEPHONE
Turn Radio to 640 or 1240

(When, in the 1960s, friends of my parents named their child Conrad and he
proceeded to make as much noise as a civil defense siren, he earned the
nickname Conelrad.)


Note 5:

I never expected the creative discussions that ensued here over mnemonic
systems to memorize the color code, partly because I've never seen anyone
use them, who works with color-coded resistors a lot; you just learn the
colors. Which are in a natural spectrum order anyway and so easy to
remember.


Original content Copyright 2004 by Max W. Hauser
 
R

Roger Gt

in message
Lots of old farts here these days, it seems. Here are answers from 16 years
ago, updated and supplemented. End notes include information references
that some people may find useful some time. (Note on date confusion: The
quiz was written in 1986 and first posted to sci.electronics 1987, contrary
to my earlier claim of 1988 which was based on the date of a file I had,
likely a re-posting.)

11. Can you specifically describe the commercial semiconductor devices known
by the following terms: 1N34, CK722, 2N107, 2N998, 2N1304, 2N2222, 2N3055,
U222, uL900, uL958, uA703, uA709, SN7300 series, SUHL, CCSL, HTL, ECCSL,
Utilogic, COSMOS, Intel 1101, Intel 1702.

High points: 1N34, ubiquitous glass-packaged germanium signal diode; 2N998,
TO-18-packaged Darlington transistor pair; U222, early power RF junction
FET, handy but expensive; uL900, Fairchild RTL buffer chip (very SSI logic);
uL958, Fairchild early decade-counter chip (one of the classic "MSI"
circuits); 703, Fairchild RF amplifier chip; 709, Fairchild op-amp chip
(1964), hardly the first monolithic op amp but perhaps the first that was
really successful and competed with
discrete-component designs. SN7300
series, TI DTL logic family, later eclipsed by TI's durable 7400 TTL family;
SUHL, Sylvania Universal High-Level Logic, and CCSL, Fairchild's Compatible
Current-Sinking Logic DTL-TTL family, both
contenders in late 1960s for the
industry-standard status that finally fell to TI's 5400/7400 series; ECCSL,
Emitter-Coupled Current-Steered Logic, an ECL family from (?) RCA; Utilogic,
Signetics's offbeat SSI-MSI logic family with a mix of circuit types and
native gates of all four types; COSMOS, RCA's 1960s trademark for its
pioneering COmplementary-Symmetry MOS (later "CMOS") logic -- the original
CMOS; 1101, original MOS static RAM from Intel (256 bits, high-threshold
PMOS technology).

Interesting, not all numbers are accounted for:
Here's one or you. What were the "TWO"
predecessors to Motorola's Big Star 2N2222?

15. What IF frequencies are commonly used in the US for AM broadcast, FM
broadcast, TV sound, TV picture?

455 kHz; 10.7 MHz; 4.5 MHz; 45 MHz. See #3 for
definition of IF.

What happened to the 21.5 Mhz (Mcps?) of the
earlier TV's.
Zenith, Admiral, RCA, GE, Hoffman, Sylvania, and
others had it!

It played hell with the 15 meter band!

I don't remember the Hallicrafters TV 'IF'.

<snip>
 
J

John Popelish

Max Hauser wrote:

Than you very much for providing these answers (including the books
listed in the notes, several of which are now on the way here). I
know I could have dug in and found out almost all of them with Google,
but I an enjoying reading your concise answers so much more. :)
A mixer combines two signals to produce beat frequencies; it approximates an
ideal of multiplying the voltage waveforms. A converter is a
self-oscillating mixer that generates its own reference frequency. Five-grid
tubes (heptodes) were sometimes used; more recently [1987], multiple-gate
MOSFETs.

So a converter could be seen as an application of a reflex amplifier
using a specialized device?
 
M

Mike

2. What is a reflex amplifier?

A circuit that simultaneously amplifies two or more independent signals in
separate frequency bands. Used in RF receivers and TVs to amplify a
high-frequency signal and then, after detection, run the audio back through
the same tube, separating the signals via their different frequency ranges.
Led to optimal designs in technologies where the active components were very
expensive (as with tubes and early transistors).

You don't have to be an old fart. A friend called me up about a year ago
and asked if I'd ever heard of such a thing. I hadn't, but found a
description in the Radiotron handbook. I don't know how his project ended
up, but his plan was to use a reflex amplifier in a new RF chip. I'll bet
that would confuse the reverse-engineers...

A follow-up question about names: where did the name of the J-K flip-flop
originate?

There was some speculation in a SED thread a while back that it was named
after Jack Kilby (that seems to be a popular claim on the internet as
well), but someone else said they'd been using them since the mid-50's,
before Kilby's name became well known to engineers. Naming a flip-flop
after someone seems a little strange, but so does naming the inputs J and
K, which seemingly have no meaning. Any ideas?

-- Mike --
 
M

Mike

Max Hauser wrote:

Than you very much for providing these answers (including the books
listed in the notes, several of which are now on the way here). I
know I could have dug in and found out almost all of them with Google,
but I an enjoying reading your concise answers so much more. :)
A mixer combines two signals to produce beat frequencies; it approximates an
ideal of multiplying the voltage waveforms. A converter is a
self-oscillating mixer that generates its own reference frequency. Five-grid
tubes (heptodes) were sometimes used; more recently [1987], multiple-gate
MOSFETs.

So a converter could be seen as an application of a reflex amplifier
using a specialized device?

I wonder how many converters resulted from the not-too-careful design of a
reflex amplifier?

"No need to fix it, Bill, you've just invented the double-IF radio!"

-- Mike --
 
B

Ben Bradley

In sci.electronics.design said:
Max Hauser wrote:

Than you very much for providing these answers (including the books
listed in the notes, several of which are now on the way here). I
know I could have dug in and found out almost all of them with Google,
but I an enjoying reading your concise answers so much more. :)
A mixer combines two signals to produce beat frequencies; it approximates an
ideal of multiplying the voltage waveforms. A converter is a
self-oscillating mixer that generates its own reference frequency. Five-grid
tubes (heptodes) were sometimes used; more recently [1987], multiple-gate
MOSFETs.

I somehow missed the point of this question, but now I recall that
one of the tubes in a 5-tube line-powered (at least in the US) AM
radio is called a "pentagrid converter." that functioned as both Local
Oscillator and mixer with gain.
So a converter could be seen as an application of a reflex amplifier
using a specialized device?

Nah :) The definition of reflex means amplify something twice,
without oscillating.
 
J

John Woodgate

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Popelish <[email protected]>
wrote (in said:
Max Hauser wrote:

Than you very much for providing these answers (including the books
listed in the notes, several of which are now on the way here). I
know I could have dug in and found out almost all of them with Google,
but I an enjoying reading your concise answers so much more. :)
A mixer combines two signals to produce beat frequencies; it approximates an
ideal of multiplying the voltage waveforms. A converter is a
self-oscillating mixer that generates its own reference frequency. Five-grid
tubes (heptodes) were sometimes used; more recently [1987], multiple-gate
MOSFETs.

So a converter could be seen as an application of a reflex amplifier
using a specialized device?
I don't think Max's definition is the one usually recognized. A
converter has a fixed LO frequency, and a receiver is used as a tuneable
IF amplifier.
 
J

John Woodgate

Naming a flip-flop
after someone seems a little strange, but so does naming the inputs J and
K, which seemingly have no meaning. Any ideas?

j and k are typical symbols for 'index' subscript symbols in
mathematics, such as for the naming of matrix elements.

Up-market mathematicians, like Albert, often used Greek [mu] and [nu].
 
B

Ben Bradley

Max Hauser said:
21. If an aluminum [UK: aluminium] electrolytic capacitor is rated for a
"working voltage" of 10 volts, in what range of voltages is it designed to
operate?

Not more, but more importantly not much less, than 10 volts. Five volts,
probably OK; two volts, it may not form the dielectric layer reliably.
[That was old wisdom. Modern experts here will if necessary correct me, I
feel confident.]

I was expecting a little controversy over this question. Was I the
only one to get it "right"?

23. What is a "2 1/2 D" core memory plane?

It's a magnetic-core array of a particular wiring configuration.

Well, I figured that... what WAS the wiring configuration?
If the term
is familiar at all, then you remember computers from the Glory Days (IBM
1620, Univac 1108), when computers looked like proper Computers.

When they showed "computers" on TV, they showed the tape drives (I
specifically recall a "Lost In Space" episode). Apparently, that was
the only part that visibly moved.
 
M

Mark Zenier

[repost]
8. Traditional op-amp ICs were designed whenever possible to run on +- 15
volts. Why that voltage?

Allowing a clean output swing of +- 10V, a convenient scale for their
original service as analog-computer computation elements. Vaccuum-tube op
amps set the trend earlier with +- 100V standard output swings. See also
Note 3 on op amps.

Welcome back.

This brought to mind a fairly long running discussion, from a few years
ago, that never came to a definitive conclusion. (That you probably
know the answer to).

Why was the 7400 TTL power supply 5+/-5% volts?


Mark Zenier [email protected] Washington State resident
 
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glen herrmannsfeldt

Max Hauser wrote:

(snip)
Unijunction transistors are three-terminal (base-1, base-2, emitter)
negative-resistance devices where the emitter conducts current in a range of
voltages set by the bias on the two bases. Commonly used as a threshold
sensor or relaxation oscillator. The Semiconductor Controlled Switch is a
four-layer (PNPN) device like the Semiconductor Controlled Rectifier (SCR)
but with its gate electrode at the N mid-layer instead of the P, and
optimized for control rather than power-switching applications. The SCS is
now often lumped together under the name SCR.

I always knew them as Silicon Controlled Rectifier and Silicon
Controlled Switch.

(snip)
9. What do the following acronyms stand for: PDP, VAX, ASCII, EBCDIC, PRV,
BFO, RTTY, CW, VSB, VOR, Conelrad?

Programmed Data Processor (of course!); Virtual Address eXtension; American
Standard Code for Information Interchange;

I believe: Extended Binary-Coded Decimal Interchange Code;

(snip)
that "PDP" is not now the "household" word it was in 1986 when this quiz
originally appeared, but it still is among old farts. In 1973, according to
DEC's advertising at the time, one-third of the world's computers were
PDP-8s.

They were called Programmable Data Processors instead of Computers to
avoid the paperwork many companies required to buy real "computers".


Otherwise, thanks for reminding me of some things I already knew,
and even more that I didn't.

-- glen
 
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John Woodgate

I read in sci.electronics.design that Ben Bradley <ben_nospam_bradley@mi
ndspring.example.com> wrote (in <h9ht0090jrvl02lcgqfih793udknft7tnb@4ax.
com>) about 'Answers to old-fart electronics quiz', on Wed, 21 Jan 2004:
I somehow missed the point of this question, but now I recall that
one of the tubes in a 5-tube line-powered (at least in the US) AM
radio is called a "pentagrid converter." that functioned as both Local
Oscillator and mixer with gain.

Heptode mixer or frequency-changer in Europe.
 
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N. Thornton

Hi
4. Who developed the op amp, and when?

Electronic amplifiers used in feedback loops to simulate other things
(electronic analog computation) appeared about 1938. That, by the way, is
how the term "analog" infiltrated electronics; earlier one heard of power,
audio, radio, and occasionally pulse and "switching" electronics. But the
op amp as a practical and familiar device is largely credited to George A.
Philbrick and Loebe Julie from the 1940s onward [Note 3].

I'm sure I saw a high gain differential input amplifier earlier than
that, being used as an ECG. If and when I get my books sorted out...
but I think we're talking in the 19 teens. I'll have to find out some
time.

[Original answer continued with gentle jab at a
late-1970s fashion for naming obscurely-different and rarely-used new
amplification "classes."]

Now thats something I would like to see. Any chance?


Regards, NT
 
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John Larkin

Nah :) The definition of reflex means amplify something twice,
without oscillating.

Except for klystrons; a reflex klystron oscillates!

John
 
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Jan Panteltje

I read in sci.electronics.design that Ben Bradley <ben_nospam_bradley@mi
ndspring.example.com> wrote (in <h9ht0090jrvl02lcgqfih793udknft7tnb@4ax.
com>) about 'Answers to old-fart electronics quiz', on Wed, 21 Jan 2004:


Heptode mixer or frequency-changer in Europe.
ECH8? where ? was 1?
(C for triode, H for the more complicated part).
Was in EVERY tube radio ....
Usually it was
ECC85 (FM tuner oscillator / mixer)
ECH81 oscillator / mixer
EF80 IF (1 or 2 )
EABC???? detector was a combined tube too.
EL84 audio out
EZ80? rectifier
EM84 'magic eye'
this now becoming a complete radio,
add an AD9700 M speaker (double cone)
Big wooden cabinet...
Nice bulbs in a big tuning scale with
those 500 pF fantastic tuning capacitors..
mmm, should have kept one, Philips 'Plano'.
If you go back further in time AZ1 rectifier....
even further in time REN1004 (was it triode?)
big bulbs.
Of cause the cheaper radios had P tubes, and
I had a battery one with DL92 etc...
Old times...
Those that call us old farts .... and complain
we know nothing, learned all that including making fire
all by themselves I suppose ;-)
Big problem of current times (but maybe it was the
same when I was young), is a bit perhaps like
going to the moon.
Wernher von Braun knew how to do it, he was one of the last.
So since then we are stuck here with the puppies hehe.
Yesterday I was playing some music I liked, the kids here
turned up their radio, so then I thought well what would THEY like,
so I played 'do you want to dance' (from the sixties).
That did it, that got their attention, but blew up a speaker
as I thought wtf max volume.
So have been looking for something bigger.... tannoys came to mind...
maybe reading this newsgroup inspires to such things....
 
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Max Hauser

Answers to answers to "Answers" (to date)

[Apologies in advance if any extra line feeds here, I am hopping among
newsreaders]


From: "Roger Gt said:
Interesting, not all numbers are accounted for

Glad to be of interest! Personally I found that less interesting than some
recently added material, buried inside or at the ends (e.g., child called
Conelrad) and also I thought that recent respondents did a good job of
explaining that list of product numbers, so I focused on updating other
things instead.

From: "John Popelish said:
Than you very much for providing these answers ... I
know I could have dug in and found out almost all of them with Google,
but I an enjoying reading your concise answers so much more. :)

That's very kind. Regarding search engines and factual info, I'll copy here
something I posted on a Web site in the world of food (where I am also
involved):

Not long ago (to use an admittedly non-food example but one of personal
interest, and one on which you might think the Internet, for once, reliable)
I searched for the point of origin of the phrase "Silicon Valley." Now I
happened to know the answer already because I saw it at the time, about
1971, coined as the title of a series of articles on the history of the
semiconductor industry -- "The Saga Of Silicon Valley," by Don Hoeffler, in
a trade newspaper, the then-new phrase causing much comment at the time in
the same industry. In my recent online search I found assertions (without
any uncertainty), and you can find them too if you look, of diverse origins
from 1962 to 1982. I've also read that the same industry started in Hewlett
or Packard's garage in the 1960s (deeply impossible, the garage was active
1939-1940 and in another industry anyway) or that the computer industry
started either in (a) the same garage (which would have surprised Hewlett
and Packard, whose business was unrelated to computers for decades) or (b)
the same valley (computers were around long before silicon and only
coincidentally related to Silicon Valley). No possible garbled rearrangement
of these dates and places and businesses, it seems, lacks an
authoritative-looking exponent online, waiting for today's journalists and
eager students to discover and repeat it. After all, it was on the Internet,
therefore it must be true!

Such unexpectedly informative information experiences prompted a contrarian
paper I wrote a few years ago on the mixed benefits of all this new
information technology and "free" information. (Title was "Obstacles to
expression are not all bad." It was for a current-events discussion group,
www.navitus.org .)

Let the reader beware!


From: "John Woodgate said:
I don't think Max's definition is the one usually recognized. A
converter has a fixed LO frequency, and a receiver is used as a tuneable
IF amplifier.

I warrant here only that the information posted is consistent with what I've
seen. (The dissatisfied are entitled to a full refund of what they've paid
me!) However in my own limited contact with "converters" in this RF sense,
they were combined oscillator-mixer circuits, such as the "Pentagrid" or
Heptode (tube) converters. I believe that the US Federal Communications
Commission also used that definition when I passed for my FCC commercial
license 30 years ago. Of course, they may have been wrong.


From: "Mike said:
A follow-up question about names: where did the name of
the J-K flip-flop originate?

If I were moderating this group (God forbid) I would prohibit such questions
and others like them, because they can be hard to answer definitively but
easy to feel certain about. Here is what I know.

John J. Kardash was an old veteran digital-circuit designer, with experience
I believe from the 1950s, when I spoke to him professionally a decade ago.
His name had been loosely associated with these flip-flops and when I asked
him, he replied that he had used his initials on the pins on the blueprints,
arbitrarily, because they were as good as anything else, and this stuck.
Others corroborated this to me. That's not definitive history, it's just
all I know.


From: "glen herrmannsfeldt said:
(SCR)

I always knew them as Silicon Controlled Rectifier and Silicon
Controlled Switch.

Yes, in fact, so did I, for a long time. "Semiconductor" is slightly more
general and formal. Like Metal-Oxide-Semiconductor, which was often
Metal-Oxide-Silicon when I was much younger. And did you know, by the way,
that MOSFETs are attributed to two undergraduates (2nd and 4th year) at
CalTech, working during a holiday? I once said in public that this reflects
questionably on the holiday recreational options at CalTech. :)


From: "N. Thornton said:
I'm sure I saw a high gain differential input amplifier earlier than
that, being used as an ECG. If and when I get my books sorted out...

The famous "long-tailed pair" patent, so named of course because the HUGE
resistor in the cathode path was often drawn longer than usual due to its
large value -- draftsman's (UK draughtsman's) option, I've seen it even into
the 1960s -- was about 1936, I have the info, just not handy; it was
British, assigned to the BBC if I recall. That was the basis for most DC
amplifiers with tubes that were not "chopped." My own point concerned the
popularization and elaboration of the operational amplifier as a mainstream
product. Substantive information about developments of op amps in the
19-teens would be very welcome and could even be a major historical
contribution; pls get in touch if you find it.



Original content Copyright 2004 by Max W. Hauser
 
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John Woodgate

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jan Panteltje
01.evisp.enertel.nl>) about 'Answers to old-fart electronics quiz', on
Thu, 22 Jan 2004:
ECH8? where ? was 1?
(C for triode, H for the more complicated part).

No, that a triode-hexode. There wasn't a B9A based heptode, AFAIK, but
the code for that would be EK8x. There was an EK90; only 7 pins! Some
'K's were octodes.
Was in EVERY tube radio ....
Usually it was
ECC85 (FM tuner oscillator / mixer)
ECH81 oscillator / mixer
EF80 IF (1 or 2 )

That would be EF89, the vari-mu device. The EF80 is a linear pentode,
intended for TV IF and video.
EABC???? detector was a combined tube too.

EABC80 - triple-diode-triode. One for AM detector, two for FM detector,
one triode for AF amp.

Did you ever find an EQ80 - nonode FM detector?
EL84 audio out
EZ80? rectifier

Yes, usually
 
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Active8

Note 5:

I never expected the creative discussions that ensued here over mnemonic
systems to memorize the color code, partly because I've never seen anyone
use them, who works with color-coded resistors a lot; you just learn the
colors. Which are in a natural spectrum order anyway and so easy to
remember.

Even so, if you want to remember the spectrum without having to
have a chart handy, you use the mnemonic ROY G BIV and then you
still have to remember to prepend B B and fix the last two.
 
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Active8

Max Hauser wrote:

(snip)


I always knew them as Silicon Controlled Rectifier and Silicon
Controlled Switch.
yup

I believe: Extended Binary-Coded Decimal Interchange Code;

yeah. i gave both answers but i think interchange rings a louder
bell.
 
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Jerry Avins

glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:

(snip)
They were called Programmable Data Processors instead of Computers to
avoid the paperwork many companies required to buy real "computers".

Another reason: by second wife was a computer late in WW II. She worked
in a room with lots of others working a Frieden calculators.

Jerry
 
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