a few simple questions about "free" systems...

[PeteCB]

Setup manuals are not specifications about the wireless junk in it.
You even don't know what is a "wireless data" specification

What do you want - a schematic diagram complete with data specs?
If you do you are even thicker that I first thought you were!
Up to now I have observed 0 manufacturers in this group - even if
there were some, they wouldn't give a cretin like you their
product.

You knowledge is seriously lacking Paul. Only an idiot of enormous
proportions would spout off without having evidence.

Demented fool you are.

Peter

 

[Spike]

I think, by definition, Paul IS a virus.

No, why would I bother doing that. Wireless systems work well whether you
wan't to believe that or not. Besides, you just keep up your nonsense
because you indeed are a troll and just want to stir up needless
controversy.

You're in the same league as the sickos that release viruses

RHC

said

 

[Frank Olson]

I think, by definition, Paul IS a virus.

So where can we all get "booster shots"??

 

[P A U L ..]

What do you want

SNIP usual trash...

I want owners and future owners to have a mean to be able to compare
quality of the purshased/owned wireless alarm system subject the
wireless data loop.

The MAJOR and ONLY difference between "wired" and "wireless" system is
the data transfer means.
The remaining of the system is only mend to setup (on a abnormal
luxury way called programming by pro's) the imbedded conditions and
capabilities the system has to perform (timers, specific activations)
if they exist.
There the systems are different but that exist as well in both
systems.

Its unbelievable that a system, who is supposed to protect you and
your belongings, is not documented with the strict minimum of
information!
Its unbelievable that the basis data difference between "wired" and
"wireless" is not provided.
Where are the quality specifications of the receiver, major reception
item?
Secret performance data, not at all, for non initiated it may look
like that but in fact its more a mather of the quality of the system
who is broad to light.
ALL wireless receivers uses public available receiver circuits with
public available SAW filters.. Its interesting to know what is used so
that quality compressions can be made.
Frequency domain used is not secret neither, its governed by laws
generated by official instances, they MUST use public available shared
and unprotected frequencies of 434 and 868MHz. Why is it interesting
to know? The 433MHz is more crowded than the 868MHz at the "moment"
and less susceptible to be interfered.
Why is the transmitter power of the sensors not provided? The maximum
power is limited to a few milliWatt by law.. It can be the
manufacturers tendencies to lower the power in order to extend battery
live (also for the same reason burst length and repetition rate).
Lower sensor transmission power require side circuits like SS to
avoid more sensitive transmission path dips when conducting objects
are moved or slightly displaced (a car for instance) a few 1/10 of a
inch.

So if i cant convince low level electricians that manufacturer
specifications are required on the wireless data loops, well i don't
give up and are willing to explain it even more.

Paul

 

[Robert Skinner]

I would love to know that this $1200 dollar alarm system is composed of.
Tell him yes that you are willing to allow them to install a free system in
return for them letting you post a sign on your front lawn but that you want
the system monitored by someone else so you won't be signing a monitoring
contract with him. See how quick that pitch change to: "we can't install
the system unless you sign a monitoring agreement". The system is no longer
free is it?

If you must have the ADT name on your door, talk to corporate ADT. Their
quality control on installation is far superior to that of most of their
Authorized Dealers. You will pay more but you will get more.

Alarm Force is in a league all its own. They provide a leased system for
either a 3 or 5 year commitment. The system includes one wireless door
contact, one motion and one base unit. The equipment is mounted using
Velcro. If you want an additional sensor, that is $90.00 Cdn for
installation but again, you never own it.

The equipment is not ULC/UL rated. The system is all in one, modem, bell
and keypad without line seizure. When you open the front door, the alarm
emits a tone which guides you to its' location. You simply unplug both the
power and the phone line and the system is defeated. The two way voice is
great for when you forget your code and want to talk to someone but that is
about it. The wireless devices are not supervised in any way.

The only reason I listed the system defeat is because his advertising tells
anyone listening to defeat his competitors systems by attacking the phone
demarcation point located on the sides of houses. He claims to be the only
company that offers a "line cut technology". His system is as bad as the
"Loxxon" in my opinion. He never mentions that his competitors use
Skyroute, Cellemetry or cell back up.

I know I will take some heat for this post but I cant stand to watch people
be intentionally mislead. He stays in the grey areas and is able to avoid
prosecution somewhat like our friend Mr. Bass. Both of these guys (Alarm
Force and Bass) are out to make a buck and don't have a clue what ethics are
all about.

I suggest the same as others here will. If you are indeed thinking about an
alarm, talk to some of your neighbours see what systems or products are
available in your area. Get three quotes and pick the one that you think is
the best for you. Also, don't forget about life safety. Think about adding
a monitored co detector, smoke detector, heat detector, low temp and flood
to your system. All of these items are inexpensive to install make your
monitoring dollar a little more worthwhile.

Good luck!

 

[Robert Skinner]

So why do you constantly try to mislead folks?

Bass, show or prove one time that I have mislead anyone?

While the other fellow is obviously doing some questionable stuff, Skinner's
only beef with me is I don't take his crap. He and a few other "install
only" dealers have tried for years to make this newsgroup their private
sandbox. I sell direct to DIYers. Although I ran a small installing alarm
company with a central station for many years, I'm now "semi-retired" (never
work more than 80 hours a week) now and I only sell online.

You have it backwards, I wont take your crap. You are a pompous self
rightious piece of crap who for some reason thinks that this group is here
for the sole purpose for you to sell your store to do it your self people.
I also sell to do it your selfers when asked. I don't however suggest that
I know every answer and can solve every problem. I am hear to learn from
other professionals and assist when I can. You are a convicted criminal
pretending to be an honest business man.

Translation: I didn't accept Skinner's challenge to meet him on the beach
and duke it out. I guess he considers beating each other's heads in
ethical. Strange. :^)

I stand up to bullies. You are a bully. I suggested that we meet to
discuss our differences in our approach to business. You were the one who
warned me that you study Tae Kwon Do and some Brazillian martial art. You
also told me that you had to make sure the were several friends available
and your local sheriff. You were the one who suggested that meeting me for
a frank and open discussion of the issues would be some sort of crimnal
offence.

I have never made a direct or overt threat to you. If I have, prove it or
shut up.

 

[P A U L ..]

It doesn't avoid it .......... it detects and reports it.
Jim

So, according to YOU wireless alarm systems are unreliable from the
start of the interference till the detection..

Can you tell, according to you again, how long it take in your mind it
take to have a RFI report and what type of report is given?

Paul

 

[P A U L ..]

On 12 Nov 2003 04:20:53 GMT, [email protected] (Alarminex) wrote:

.... SNIP usual nonsense

It doesn't avoid it .......... it detects and reports it.
Jim

So, according to YOU wireless alarm systems are unreliable from the
start of the interference till the detection..

Can you tell, according to you again, how long it take in your mind it
take to have a RFI report and what type of report is given?

Paul

 

[P A U L ..]

On 12 Nov 2003 04:20:54 GMT, [email protected] (Alarminex) wrote:

Snip .... usual low level nonsence..

It doesn't avoid it .......... it detects and reports it.
Jim

So, according to YOU wireless alarm systems are unreliable from the
start of the interference till the detection..

Can you tell, according to you again, how long it take in your mind it
take to have a RFI report and what type of report is given?

Paul

 

[Frank Olson]

So, according to YOU wireless alarm systems are unreliable from the
start of the interference till the detection..

Can you tell, according to you again, how long it take in your mind it
take to have a RFI report and what type of report is given?

Sure... Jim can point you to some links... but that's not going to
convince you is it?? You have absolutely no idea how a modern professional
grade wireless alarm system works... You also have no interest in finding
out. Your sole purpose is to disrupt the group with your ridiculous
conclusions, wild theories, and retarded ideas. Do us *all* a favour and go
out and *BUY* a *real* system... Have it tested or use your own
"headphones" and try to "Nutella" (jam, "muzzle", or whatever) it...

 

[P A U L ..]

Sure... Jim can point you to some links...

I don't ask for links, i has HIS opinion, not yours.

but that's not going to convince you is it??
You have absolutely no idea how a modern professional
grade wireless alarm system works...
You also have no interest in finding out.

Pre-established opinion.
Explain with technical justified arguments, slogans there are enough
laying around.

Your sole purpose is to disrupt the group with your ridiculous
conclusions, wild theories, and retarded ideas.

Look at that, do you have a private radio communication theory who
last only in your head?
Wireless data communication problems are know and alike all over the
world.

Paul