45-degree diagonal cutters?

[life imitates life]

A test for *any* decent cutter is piano wire. Properly hardened jaws won't
be damaged by this.

You are an idiot, and a troll.

Piano wire is cut with a heavy shear, not a nip cutter. There are no
nip style cutters made meant for steel with the exception of bolt cutters
and they are a completely different animal. That is why a block shear
cutter is used.

 

[life imitates life]

I can't believe these nattering nitwitted nincompoops from
alt.engineering.electrical, sci.electronics.basics,
sci.electronics.design are still bleating about these fucking cutters
like a flock of sheeple.

I responded to YOUR horseshit, dumbfuck.

So, Mr. nattering, nitwitted nincompoop, you are also a sheeple member
by your criteria...


...and an ass... by ours.

Goddamned follow up editing retard.

 

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Try learning something about tools. It's a standard test to check the
quality of side cutter jaws. There is no difference in principle between
cutting any sort of wire.

You're an idiot. There is a HUGE difference between pincer type
cutting and shear cutting and both are used in the industry, dingledorf.

If your favourite brand fails this go get a decent one.

Wrong. It is the standard "destructive" analysis. There are other
methods for testing the hardness without damaging the cutting face.

Also, they are not all tested that way. There are softer materials used
for lighter duty work media, and they get tested differently.

As far as "what any cutter can do..." goes, the construction of the
cutter determines its correct usage limits. regardless of any cutting
edge hardness tests that may or may not have been specified or performed.
Not only do the edges have to have specific hardness ratings, but the
meat of the cutter jaws have to be designed heavy enough to be able to
withstand the forces a given size and type of wire proposed to be cut by
it, as well as the shock wave that traverses through the jaws at the
moment the wire snaps and the cutting edge 'mating faces' close together.

THAT is for pincer type "cutters". Shear type is a different test
standard. Not that you would know about such things.

I know more about tools than you ever will.

The FEA analysis on your skull comes back with a reading of "Hollow
structure found... Analysis halted" Even the phrenologist nearly
vomited.

 

[life imitates life]

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That's the whole point. They don't damage decent ones. I'm not interested
in your cheap shoddy ones.

I was the one that suggested Lindstrom, you retarded ****. So "my cheap
shoddy ones" are far better than yours, if you have some other brand and
I have yet to give them a once over. My opinion is the only one that
counts.

 

[life imitates life]

What compromise? You're a vindictive jackass. You sghould have kept
your toolbox locked if you didn't want people messing with it.

It was *my* prototype parts cabinets, and **** you, and the horse that
rode in up your mother's ass.

I was the eight year tenured engineering tech, and he was the newly
hired, no HV experience whatsoever test tech, *at best*.

He had no business anywhere near ANY of my things, including my desk or
ANYTHING that was in MY LAB, including my benches, cabinets, desk,
computer, etc. etc. etc. He had no business there, which was not even
where he was assigned to work from to begin with. NONE of my things
needed to be locked up before the little zit faced bastard showed up, so
they should have shit canned him as soon as I declared the severe ethics
breech and character flaw.

You're a dopey bastard if you think every company has enclosed labs for
everyone. Like I originally stated, I caught him as I came downstairs
because I had to traverse the balcony area to get to the staircase. It
is a wide open lab from several pathways. Never a problem until the guy
that apparently acts just like you would got hired.

**** you, and him.

 

[life imitates life]

Cotter pins, safety lockwire, steel fence wire and various other steel wire
products are routinely cut with hand tool diagonal cutters or wire cutters
that are not specifically made for copper or aluminum only.
Many quality wiring pliers/crimpers/strippers include screw cutters, that
cut steel screws without any damage to the tool.

I have a pair of twister pliers for lock wire. They are not actually
meant to be use to CUT the wire either, even though they have side
cutters incorporated into them. Any monkey knows how to flex fracture
wire that uses a medium that work hardens. That is the right way to
"cut" lock wire. In fact, one is supposed to use the side cutter to
simply score the wire a bit, and then the number of flexes is reduced to
just a few.

 

[life imitates life]

Shear type cutters would have to be vastly heavier to cut wire etc - they
have a tendency to spring open when doing this. Bolt cutters are simply a
heavy duty version of side cutters.

A shear cutter for wire looks NOTHING like the shear cutter in your
tiny brain, boy. You refer to a sheet metal shear. You are a stupid
little twit. Shear cutter for wire is like the little screw cutter in
the all purpose wire stripper/crimper/cutter tool you should be aware of.

Alas, you should also be aware of what the shear operation is. The
fact that you obviously envisioned that I was referring to a pair of
scissors tell us that you have very little grasp of the mechanics, much
less the tools being used in the industry.

 

[life imitates life]

Don't use 'all purpose tools. You really should walk past that pound shop.

It was an example of the mechanism, dipshit. It has nothing to do with
the tool suggested to examine for a dippy twit like you to understand the
concept by.

 

[life imitates life]

You're till a homo, I see, dimbulb.

No, dumbfuck. I never was, so you never "saw" a goddamned thing, not
that your retarded genes ever could.

**** off, you little sub-human scumbag. I hope your jaw kills you...
soon.

 

[Ban]

I'm not playing this game, but you're entirely incorrect that there
are no hand tool cutters that are capable of, or intended to
withstand the cutting forces of steel.

Cotter pins, safety lockwire, steel fence wire and various other
steel wire products are routinely cut with hand tool diagonal cutters
or wire cutters that are not specifically made for copper or aluminum
only. Many quality wiring pliers/crimpers/strippers include screw cutters,
that cut steel screws without any damage to the tool.

The cutters don't have to be big Channelock, Klein or other
industrial duty models.
I have miniature cutters that I've cut steel wire with for many years
without damage, and have also been used to cut small springs. The
cutting edges are unharmed.

My Channelock side cutters and several other wire cutters I own have
cut lots of nails, been used to pull nails and large steel staples,
even at the tips of the cutting edges, without damage to the tools.
I don't try to cut drywall screws with them, or twist drills, or
endmills. They still cut stranded or solid copper wire and cables
just fine, and nylon cord or steel coat hanger wire or any other
materials that I need them to cut, essentially like they were still
new.
The only attention that these cutters and pliers have needed in many
years of use, is an occasional 1 or 2 drops of oil at the hinge, and
proper storage.

right, I have here a pair of wirecutters made by Belzer (Titan2000) which I
bought in '86. Sill perfect with a small spring that keeps the cut wires
from flying into your eyes.
ciao Ban

 

[life imitates life]

right, I have here a pair of wirecutters made by Belzer (Titan2000) which I
bought in '86. Sill perfect with a small spring that keeps the cut wires
from flying into your eyes.
ciao Ban

Yes, but would you ever use them to cut piano wire?

I rest my case.

 

[life imitates life]

Think you're the one who needs to understand basic engineering principles.
And actually get some hands on experience before spouting your rubbish.

No, you taking the suggestion to examine a multi use tool for the shear
action of the bolt cutters they have, and claiming some stupidity about
how cheap such a tool usually is, is what I was talking about, you
fucking idiot.. Since you are such an utter fucking dope, I thought I
would use an easy example for you. You missed the entire premise.

You missed all of it. Particularly since you think that flush cutting
side cutters were ever made for cutting piano wire. You are pathetic.
You know NOTHING about tools whatsoever. Your remarks in this thread
alone proves that fact.

 

[life imitates life]

Lock wire is soft steel. If you have pliers not able to cut that, put them
back in the kid's play box where they came from.

Lock wire is NOT "soft steel" you complete and utter retard. It is a
very specialized, high tensile strength wire. Soft steel does not get
made into wire AT ALL.

You really are one stupid fucktard.

 

[life imitates life]

Bolt cutters are the same in principle as side cutters. Do you know
anything about tools?

YOU are WRONG AGAIN! Dumbfuck! I am not talking about a three foot
long tool, dumbass. THey utilize a pincer operating mechanism. Not that
you could ever have a grasp of metal working methodologies.

Do you even know what a shear operation is?

**** naming a tool. DO YOU KNOW WHAT A SHEAR OPERATION IS?

I have serious doubts that you know a goddamned thing about it.

And you've just proved any information you have comes from Google. Not
from hands on experience.

You are an IDIOT. I was building racing engines in 1970! You dumb
motherfucker. I wouldn't need Google to drop your ass in the idiot bin
EVER. You get there all on your own!

Remember? You are the fucking retard that said that lock wire was made
from soft steel!

 

[life imitates life]

Seems you know nothing of even US suppliers.

http://www.malinco.com/

It comes in many varieties.

There is NO lock wire that is "soft steel" as you declared, you dumb
fucktard. And all the dancing in the world will not allow you to achieve
escape velocity from your utter stupidity.

LOCK WIRE IS HIGH STRENGTH STAINLESS.

YOU are a goddamned retard.

 

[life imitates life]

In other words, your still a subhuman bastard.

When will your group abusing ass ever DIE! DIE! DIE!?

 

[Jasen Betts]

Lock wire is NOT "soft steel" you complete and utter retard. It is a
very specialized, high tensile strength wire. Soft steel does not get
made into wire AT ALL.

tie wire is soft steel.

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[life imitates life]

tie wire is soft steel.

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"Tie wire"? Is that what you brits call "lock wire"? The wire used to
keep fasteners from becoming loose and falling off of an assembly?

If so, you are dumber than dog shit. LOCK WIRE is ALL stainless. HIGH
GRADE STAINLESS. It is a mission critical assembly element in nearly ANY
AND ALL military assemblies where vibration is introduced.

That pretty much covers all of it, and no, they do not use soft steel
for this purpose EVER, ANYWHERE. Anytime you get a chance, take a look
and see if you EVER see any locked fasteners and assembly where the lock
wire has rusted. You cannot. The reason is simple. Aside from the
apparent lack of aptitude to grasp the concept to begin with that some
here seem to possess.

 

[life imitates life]

So bolt cutters? The same principle as side cutters?

That is yet another place where your aptitude for the discussion is
shown to be below that which is required to understand the principles
involved.

You seem to want to apply terms to whatever you feel like. Bolt cutters to
the man in the street work in the same way as side cutters.

You really are an idiot. There are SEVERAL different varieties and
styles of bolt cutter, dumbass!

The ones most of you lay fucktards are aware of are the type you
describe. A lay fucktard like you could never grasp the concept of a
shear operation. You have proven that in this very thread. You have
arrived at a place that has shown you to have a competency level below
that which you claim to possess.

As long as you are in it, this discussion is meaningless. You blatant
lack of understanding of the physical realm suggests that you should go
find another forum to plow in, Plowtard.

 

[life imitates life]

I take it you didn't read the site of a locking wire supplier I provided
for you? It can be made of a variety of materials. You really need to get
out more from that narrow little environment you're stuck in.

No, YOU didn't read the site. They sell MORE than lock wire. The lock
wire, however, is stainless, idiot. Now **** off, you goddamned stubborn,
retarded twit.