2006 GMC Duramax converted to veg oil

[Steve Spence]

This week we converted a 2006 GMC Sierra to vegetable oil; a renewable,
sustainable homemade fuel. The owner has a vegetable oil press, grows
sunflowers, and will be fueling his truck and equipment from his own
crops. Pics are available in our photo album. http://www.green-trust.org

 

[GeekBoy]

This week we converted a 2006 GMC Sierra to vegetable oil; a renewable,
sustainable homemade fuel. The owner has a vegetable oil press, grows
sunflowers, and will be fueling his truck and equipment from his own
crops. Pics are available in our photo album. http://www.green-trust.org

Seed Gallons per Acre
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Oil Palm 635
Coconut 287
Jatropha 202
Rapeseed (canola) 127
Peanut 113
Sunflower 102
Safflower 83
Mustard 61
Soybean 48
Corn 18



Hope he has a few hundred or thousand acres along with a strong arm to fuel
that truck.

 

[Steve Spence]

Seed Gallons per Acre
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Oil Palm 635
Coconut 287
Jatropha 202
Rapeseed (canola) 127
Peanut 113
Sunflower 102
Safflower 83
Mustard 61
Soybean 48
Corn 18



Hope he has a few hundred or thousand acres along with a strong arm to fuel
that truck.

Those numbers are approximate, and not indexed to any particular
climate. He has a "few" hundred acres, a combine or three, and a
commercial oil press ;-)

He's been making organic oil for a few years. He's the one that
"invented" Canola (imported then renamed rapeseed).

He brought us some of his sunflower oil and it was liquid at 7F. Wish we
had that instead of WVO to burn. It costs about $1.25 / gallon to produce.

 

[Richard W.]

GeekBoy wrote:

Those numbers are approximate, and not indexed to any particular
climate. He has a "few" hundred acres, a combine or three, and a
commercial oil press ;-)

He's been making organic oil for a few years. He's the one that
"invented" Canola (imported then renamed rapeseed).

He brought us some of his sunflower oil and it was liquid at 7F. Wish we
had that instead of WVO to burn. It costs about $1.25 / gallon to produce.

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I was wondering about caster oil? Will it work in a diesel engine? I read
about it being used in 2 stroke airplane engines during the WW2. Mixed it
with gasoline. Any information about it?

 

[Steve Spence]

I was wondering about caster oil? Will it work in a diesel engine? I read
about it being used in 2 stroke airplane engines during the WW2. Mixed it
with gasoline. Any information about it?

yes, castor oil works in a diesel.

 

[JSF]

Big WOO,
Doesn't sound like this is going to solve any energy problems.

 

[SJC]

These are farmers doing something for their fuel needs.
They never claimed to be saving the earth or doing anything for you.

 

[Vaughn]

I was wondering about caster oil? Will it work in a diesel engine? I read
about it being used in 2 stroke airplane engines during the WW2. Mixed it
with gasoline. Any information about it?

The caster oil was used as a lubricant in a wierd aircraft engine design
where the cylinders spun around a fixed crankshaft. The inefficient engines of
the day produced a mist of caster oil that blew back on the pilot, and was
ultimately injested with predictible results!

Vaughn

 

[Steve Spence]

Steve - sounds like he would have a pretty good handle on the debat of
how much NET fuel can be raised on an acre...

what kind of yield does he get in Ontario?

Thanks
Phil

I will find out.

 

[Steve Spence]

Renewable and sustainable!!!!???

yes, he's able to regrow his own fuel with a net positive outcome.

Try calculating the number of acres of oilseeds that would
have to be grown each year to fuel just the cars of America.

I thought we were discussing one truck.

There isn't that much unused arable land left in the world.

But this farmer is already growing these crops for meal and food, so it
makes sense to use some it for fuel instead of fossil diesel, does it not?

Here's some figures I have laying around. I left out the tropical
oil plants in the vain hope that Americans and Europeans would
trash their own lands to produce this oil:He already knows how much oil he can yield from an acre. I'll find out

and report it here.

Now. How many gallons does the average American user consume
a year for his/her car, and how many cars are there?

moot point. we aren't talking about American consumers, we are talking
about one Ontario farmer.

Don't forget the all the energy needed to cultivate, harvest,
dry, crush, and expel, refine, and transport those oils.

He has to do this anyway, this is a secondary byproduct from his meal
operation.

Etc.

I think you missed the point.

 

[Steve Spence]

Big WOO,
Doesn't sound like this is going to solve any energy problems.

It solves this farmers energy problem. He can cut his fossil purchases.

 

[Steve Spence]

Alan Connor wrote:



I don't see you doing anything to make a difference. I live off-grid. I
conserve energy and water usage. What have you done? I didn't ask you to
trust me with the ecosystem, I'm just trying to leaver lighter
footprints. I wouldn't trust you with it either. It's much bigger than
one person. We all have to do our part.

This was originally at the top of the article:


/quote

Let's see "Green": ecologically sound - earthfriendly -
sustainable - non-polluting - energy efficient.....
correct.


Or did you think they called themselves that because they
painted all their barns green?

no, it's because we are using renewable energy instead of fossil energy.
we pollute less, we use less, we need less.

"Trust": Land (in this case) preserved for future [generations
(in this case)]. Their land is probably held legally a Land
Trust.

No, it's not.

People who top post usually don't take the time to think or do
any research. They are in such a hurry to say whatever popped
into their minds that they can't even be bothered to run the
cursor down to the last line of the post (if they are responding
to it as a whole). Which takes one keystroke on any decent
editor.

posting style has nothing to do with the relevancy of content. for
instance, you posted correctly, but with no content. So who was more
effectual?

Good-bye

We can only hope.

 

[You]

People who top post usually don't take the time to think or do
any research. They are in such a hurry to say whatever popped
into their minds that they can't even be bothered to run the
cursor down to the last line of the post (if they are responding
to it as a whole). Which takes one keystroke on any decent
editor.

Good-bye

Alan

Oh Lord, another newbie Netcop.....Where, Oh Lord, do you dig up these
Johnnie-cum-latelys.......I hope this doesn't start another Top Post
Bottom Post FlameWar......let alone the one already going on cause
this newbie is a holdout from the Freemans of Montana or some other
Survivalist Kookville group.....I am really suprised that Alan isn't
a WebTv'er.....must be one of the younger Survivalist Wannabes......
and learned his way around a keyboard at the local VocTech in night
classes.....

you

 

[Steve Spence]

A question for Steve, what type of anti freeze did you top up with? Does
that truck start life with the pink DEXCOOL that GM uses in the gasoline
engine? If it does, it is a bad idea to top up with the green ethylene
glycol type. The two are not compatible.

Jack

The truck comes with dexcool, and that's what we refilled with. we use
what the manufacturer specifies. It says it right on the tank cap.

 

[Steve Spence]

No he isn't.

but he is. he's been producing oil for 40 plus years, and knows what
he's about.

Let's take rapeseed. Good yield, drought tolerant, will grow
in a wide variety of soils and in colder climates (shorter
growing season)

Rapeseed (canola): 110 to 145 US gal/acre

And acre is 43,560 square feet, a square of about 209' on
a side.

Let's say he gets 130 gallons an acre. Dry land (no irrigation)
That acre has to be tilled with a tractor running an internal
combustion engine, then seeded, then harvested and hauled, then
the seeds have to be seperated and crushed with heavy machinery
and then expelled or pressed, with heavy machinery, then refined,
then treated to become usable (I believe that sodium hydroxide
is required, which is made by running massive currents through
brine).

You believe wrong. it's cold pressed, in a single press.

All that equipment must be purchased and paid for over time
and the total being divided among the number of crops it
can be used for before having to be replaced. All replacement
parts and labor over that time period need to be included. All
of that has to be subtracted from the profits and could be
expressed as an equivalent value and thence subtracted from
the projected yield.

And it all requires energy/fuel to run, some engine fuel and
some electricity which could be converted to gallons of canola
oil (btu equivalent value) and then must be subtracted from the
projected yield.

As well as all the labor needed to run those machines.

I'll bet that it's way cheaper to just buy diesel.

You'd lose the bet.

I'll bet that they can't produce enough oil to pay for growing
and processing and storing it.

You'd lose that bet as well.

The operation would have to be subsidized. Just like all the
non-solutions offered by the psuedo-progressives.

It isn't subsidized.

(Even with massive subsidies, recycled paper cost more than
new paper, and is usually inferior.)

With _honest_ accounting this would as obvious as 2+2=4

It's more obvious you don't have any understanding of the process.

That's the second sniping comment without any intelligent argument accompanying it.

It's not a sniping comment. I'm discussing one farmers method of weaning
himself off fossil fuels, and you are trying to show that it can't solve
the whole worlds problems. No kidding. We never claimed it could. But it
does solve this one farmers problems.

Sure are a lot of nasty little psuedo-progressive bitches here.

yes, I'm beginning to see that.

The REALLY don't want to talk about their alleged environmental
solutions honestly, with the math that cannot lie.

It's all airy fairy "Oh, you can trust those geeks at the
university that are supported by big corporations. They'll
come up with some magick pill or process or machine that will
allow us to preserve the nature that sustains us _and_ let
us have all of our conveniences and toys".

I thought we were discussing a farmer, not college geeks or corporations?

 

[Steve Spence]

Steve: Lets say we have 160 acres to grow sunflowers... should be easy
to compute amt of fuel to make one pass with the tractor if you can
tell us the width of the tiller, the speed and fuel comsumption of the
tractor. I understanf 3 passes per crop? (planting, harvesting,
tilling?) If the tractor fuel is less than 10% of the oil crop yield,
I's say it was a good process. If it took >50%, not so good. Lets get
it in the ballpark. Anyone know the mpg of a tractor in tilling gear?

I don't have these numbers. Maybe a farmer can give us these. I do know
that Harald says his net costs are $1.26 / US gallon of sunflower oil.
This is organic oil he sells to grocery stores. I expect he knows his
business, and isn't shorting himself. The cheapest prices for diesel I
could find in his area were $0.83 / liter. So he is saving about $0.50 /
liter on his fuel costs.

 

[Ron Purvis]

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Alan

Alan,

I am glad that you know what a troll is. Especially considering that you are
one of the worst that I have seen on this group in years.

 

[stevef27]

Neat.

Just out of curiosity, does he have a plan for the inevitable forgetting to
switch back to diesel prior to shutdown in the winter?

Steve.

 

[Anthony Matonak]

Just out of curiosity, does he have a plan for the inevitable forgetting to
switch back to diesel prior to shutdown in the winter?

http://www.greasecar.com/product_detail.cfm?prodID=21
This outfit sells a buzzer that goes off if you shut off the
vehicle without switching back to diesel. They also use a
flush system to purge the lines in under a minute.

Anthony

 

[stevef27]

http://www.greasecar.com/product_detail.cfm?prodID=21
This outfit sells a buzzer that goes off if you shut off the
vehicle without switching back to diesel. They also use a
flush system to purge the lines in under a minute.

Anthony

That'll work. This is the only concern I have about doing something like
this with my truck.

Steve.