Why Science is Ridiculous

[PureOne]

Everyone knows that science has been proven wrong time and again, but
why do you think that is? My opinion is because science works with
assumptions that depend on previous knowledge. So its easy to build
from the start and get something more complex. As mathematicians know
though, complexity leads to total chaos. Say for example you were
working with electronics and found that resisters limited current.

From that knowledge you learned you could actually store a charge with

a capacitor. Then from there someone discovered that electricity
could actually be amplified with a transformer, to create higher
voltages.

Amazing, but then we get so complicated that we forget the source of
the invention is actually a battery, and we have limited supplies of
batteries. Then after that we come to find out batteries don't even
work correctly without wires, and we find out there is limited
supplies of superconducting gold. Finally we realize that we can't
transmit the power without an electric grid, stretching across the
whole country. Then in all the confusion we start to have blackouts
everywhere, when we should have enough energy to supply everyone.

Then later, in just the recent years we find out electricity only
really works with good electrical grounding, and no one yet
understands why. So if you don't want your equipment damaged you need
surge protectors, because the electrical grid was built without an
understanding of grounding, or ways to prevent surges, and blackouts
during storms. But maybe one day all of this will be rethought and we
will realize the origonal electrical component invented, the resister,
is actually a way of grounding cables, and that resisters eventually
go bad after a period of time & that's whats causing all of our
electrical problems. But no one can prove that's happening, and no
one wants to deal with the problem.

That's just an example. When it comes to studying medicine, the
environment, psychology, early human development, nutrition, genetics,
and life in general, we know almost absolutely nothing. Everything is
built upon statistics, and studies in laboratories on people that
aren't given any credit. Some studies have found that women and mens
development happens almost entirely in the womb, and is the product of
the chemicals and nutrition in the mothers body, which often lead to
birth defects. Other studies have found that children being raised in
one environment will develop completely differently than twins raised
in another area. The same happens with the sexes, women and men
develop completely different depending on the environmental factors,
what's good for a woman may be bad for a man. Other studies are
finding that human genes are the mechanism of development, and that
they are carried on through families forever, unless there is some
problem causing a mutation. Scientists working in one field don't
know all the information in another field, and the popular science
often disagrees with other science. It happens all the time.

We literally know nothing, and live in a sea of technology no one
understands.

 

[[email protected]]

Everyone knows that science has been proven wrong time and again, but
why do you think that is?

It's part of the scientific process. Every theory is eventually shown
to be incomplete, and is replaced by a more powerful and comprehensive
theory, which is replaced in its turn.

We literally know nothing, and live in a sea of technology no one
understands.

No. We know quite a lot, though not everything, and live in a sea of
technology that quite a few people understand - obviously, not you.
Again, nobody has mastered every human technology, nor even every
aspect of any givien technology, but if you ask nicely, in the right
forum, you can almost always get good advice.

 

[D from BC]

Everyone knows that science has been proven wrong time and again, but
why do you think that is? My opinion is because science works with
assumptions that depend on previous knowledge. So its easy to build
from the start and get something more complex. As mathematicians know
though, complexity leads to total chaos. Say for example you were
working with electronics and found that resisters limited current.
a capacitor. Then from there someone discovered that electricity
could actually be amplified with a transformer, to create higher
voltages.

Amazing, but then we get so complicated that we forget the source of
the invention is actually a battery, and we have limited supplies of
batteries. Then after that we come to find out batteries don't even
work correctly without wires, and we find out there is limited
supplies of superconducting gold. Finally we realize that we can't
transmit the power without an electric grid, stretching across the
whole country. Then in all the confusion we start to have blackouts
everywhere, when we should have enough energy to supply everyone.

Then later, in just the recent years we find out electricity only
really works with good electrical grounding, and no one yet
understands why. So if you don't want your equipment damaged you need
surge protectors, because the electrical grid was built without an
understanding of grounding, or ways to prevent surges, and blackouts
during storms. But maybe one day all of this will be rethought and we
will realize the origonal electrical component invented, the resister,
is actually a way of grounding cables, and that resisters eventually
go bad after a period of time & that's whats causing all of our
electrical problems. But no one can prove that's happening, and no
one wants to deal with the problem.

That's just an example. When it comes to studying medicine, the
environment, psychology, early human development, nutrition, genetics,
and life in general, we know almost absolutely nothing. Everything is
built upon statistics, and studies in laboratories on people that
aren't given any credit. Some studies have found that women and mens
development happens almost entirely in the womb, and is the product of
the chemicals and nutrition in the mothers body, which often lead to
birth defects. Other studies have found that children being raised in
one environment will develop completely differently than twins raised
in another area. The same happens with the sexes, women and men
develop completely different depending on the environmental factors,
what's good for a woman may be bad for a man. Other studies are
finding that human genes are the mechanism of development, and that
they are carried on through families forever, unless there is some
problem causing a mutation. Scientists working in one field don't
know all the information in another field, and the popular science
often disagrees with other science. It happens all the time.

We literally know nothing, and live in a sea of technology no one
understands.

I know that..

The solution: AI or genetically enhanced intelligence

"Start the loop."
AI makes better AI which then makes better AI which then makes better
AI.
Have thousands of AI machines figuring out everything.

One thing that might be discovered is that people are not qualified to
play with the universe and that we're better off doing what we do
best....eating, sleeping and having sex.

So..have a burger.. boink the girlfriend and have a good night's sleep
for that all you're good for..


D from BC

 

[Jon Slaughter]

Everyone knows that science has been proven wrong time and again, but
why do you think that is? My opinion is because science works with
assumptions that depend on previous knowledge. So its easy to build
from the start and get something more complex. As mathematicians know
though, complexity leads to total chaos. Say for example you were
working with electronics and found that resisters limited current.
a capacitor. Then from there someone discovered that electricity
could actually be amplified with a transformer, to create higher
voltages.

Amazing, but then we get so complicated that we forget the source of
the invention is actually a battery, and we have limited supplies of
batteries. Then after that we come to find out batteries don't even
work correctly without wires, and we find out there is limited
supplies of superconducting gold. Finally we realize that we can't
transmit the power without an electric grid, stretching across the
whole country. Then in all the confusion we start to have blackouts
everywhere, when we should have enough energy to supply everyone.

Then later, in just the recent years we find out electricity only
really works with good electrical grounding, and no one yet
understands why. So if you don't want your equipment damaged you need
surge protectors, because the electrical grid was built without an
understanding of grounding, or ways to prevent surges, and blackouts
during storms. But maybe one day all of this will be rethought and we
will realize the origonal electrical component invented, the resister,
is actually a way of grounding cables, and that resisters eventually
go bad after a period of time & that's whats causing all of our
electrical problems. But no one can prove that's happening, and no
one wants to deal with the problem.

That's just an example. When it comes to studying medicine, the
environment, psychology, early human development, nutrition, genetics,
and life in general, we know almost absolutely nothing. Everything is
built upon statistics, and studies in laboratories on people that
aren't given any credit. Some studies have found that women and mens
development happens almost entirely in the womb, and is the product of
the chemicals and nutrition in the mothers body, which often lead to
birth defects. Other studies have found that children being raised in
one environment will develop completely differently than twins raised
in another area. The same happens with the sexes, women and men
develop completely different depending on the environmental factors,
what's good for a woman may be bad for a man. Other studies are
finding that human genes are the mechanism of development, and that
they are carried on through families forever, unless there is some
problem causing a mutation. Scientists working in one field don't
know all the information in another field, and the popular science
often disagrees with other science. It happens all the time.

We literally know nothing, and live in a sea of technology no one
understands.

You seem like someone that knows far to little about science. How you
actually take a class(and actually learn something) before you claim to know
all about it.

Sure we might not know much relative to what the universe *may* hold but
science has done far more to advance our understand of the world than
anything else and has been more consistant then anything else.

What do you expect though? As things get more complex it gets harder to
learn about it and takes more memory to store all information. Do your
really think that its suppose to get easier? If that was the case we would
know everything already.

Fact of the matter is, either we adapt and develop our abilities to
understand more complex things(which we have been doing a pretty good job
IMO... for all the crap that we have do deal with(Seeing that 90% of the
population only cares about fucking and sucking and the other 10% has done
all the work(actually its probably like 99.9% and 0.1%)).

If humanity ever gets to the point where knowledge/understanding is first
over entertainment, money, sex, etc... then I would expect that the rate of
knowledge will increase exponentially from whatever it is now(which might be
exponential so we would have something like e^e^x).

Of course I doubt that will ever happen cause so many people don't give a
shit about any body but themselfs. Those people, which are essentially all
people, will ruin any chance that humanity has to do anything. So
unfortunately wether your right or wrong won't really matter.

But believe me, science has proven itself to be the best thing we have...
the issue is not science but those who don't understand it, like yourself.

When the day comes that a scientist gets paid more than an actor we will
know we are on the right track. When people stop worshiping opra, britney,
paris, etc and start opening a book... hell, I guess any book will do...
even if its about those people, as long as they read it, then we've made a
step in the right direction.

 

[[email protected]]

Everyone knows that science has been proven wrong time and again, but
why do you think that is? My opinion is because science works with
assumptions that depend on previous knowledge. So its easy to build
from the start and get something more complex. As mathematicians know
though, complexity leads to total chaos. Say for example you were
working with electronics and found that resisters limited current.>From that knowledge you learned you could actually store a charge with

a capacitor. Then from there someone discovered that electricity
could actually be amplified with a transformer, to create higher
voltages.

Amazing, but then we get so complicated that we forget the source of
the invention is actually a battery, and we have limited supplies of
batteries. Then after that we come to find out batteries don't even
work correctly without wires, and we find out there is limited
supplies of superconducting gold. Finally we realize that we can't
transmit the power without an electric grid, stretching across the
whole country. Then in all the confusion we start to have blackouts
everywhere, when we should have enough energy to supply everyone.

Then later, in just the recent years we find out electricity only
really works with good electrical grounding, and no one yet
understands why. So if you don't want your equipment damaged you need
surge protectors, because the electrical grid was built without an
understanding of grounding, or ways to prevent surges, and blackouts
during storms. But maybe one day all of this will be rethought and we
will realize the origonal electrical component invented, the resister,
is actually a way of grounding cables, and that resisters eventually
go bad after a period of time & that's whats causing all of our
electrical problems. But no one can prove that's happening, and no
one wants to deal with the problem.

That's just an example. When it comes to studying medicine, the
environment, psychology, early human development, nutrition, genetics,
and life in general, we know almost absolutely nothing. Everything is
built upon statistics, and studies in laboratories on people that
aren't given any credit. Some studies have found that women and mens
development happens almost entirely in the womb, and is the product of
the chemicals and nutrition in the mothers body, which often lead to
birth defects. Other studies have found that children being raised in
one environment will develop completely differently than twins raised
in another area. The same happens with the sexes, women and men
develop completely different depending on the environmental factors,
what's good for a woman may be bad for a man. Other studies are
finding that human genes are the mechanism of development, and that
they are carried on through families forever, unless there is some
problem causing a mutation. Scientists working in one field don't
know all the information in another field, and the popular science
often disagrees with other science. It happens all the time.

We literally know nothing, and live in a sea of technology no one
understands.

We wouldn't be here without the steady increase of entropy.

Robin

"If you prefer the good old days, then I have only word to say to you;
dentistry" - P J O' Rourke

 

[Robert Baer]

PureOne wrote:

Sheer idiot drooling blather.

 

[John Kepler]

"My opinion is because science works with

assumptions that depend on previous knowledge.

Got a better way? Also, is there an actual cogent point buried in your
waste of bandwidth?

John

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

Everyone knows that science has been proven wrong time and again,

Science has saved our collective posteriors more often than I care to
admit. Without science, we would be living in ignorance and starving.

So its easy to build
from the start and get something more complex.

Actually, if you look at scientific history, you'll find that attempts
to simplify science have resulted in more failures than by dealing
with the inevitable complexity. Around 1900, it was scientific dogma
that everything of value had already been discovered and that all
further research would yield only a few more decimal points to the
generally accepted principles. However, when they did that, the
inconsistencies of those measurements yielded a far more complex
science and previously unknown principles (e.g. Quantum mechanics).

As mathematicians know
though, complexity leads to total chaos.

Math does not equal science.

When it comes to studying medicine, the
environment, psychology, early human development, nutrition, genetics,
and life in general, we know almost absolutely nothing.

We know enough to have survived for a few million years. If you lack
some specific knowledge that's important to your survival, I would
suspect you would make an effort to obtain it. Please try not to
generalize based on your own specific condition.

Everything is
built upon statistics, and studies in laboratories on people that
aren't given any credit.

Welcome to the real world. There's plenty of credit to go around.
Just try and hold together a research group without properly
dispensing the necessary credit, honors, praise, and gratuities.

We literally know nothing, and live in a sea of technology no one
understands.

You sound overwhelmed by technology. Perhaps you should join a back
to nature commune or minimalist lifestyle group and see how much you
enjoy scraping bottom without the complex technology you apparently
detest. I did something like that when it was fashionable in the
1960's. It didn't take long to observe that poverty really does suck.

Despite your muddled logic, you also managed to miss an important
point. It is not necessary to understand how technology works in
order to benefit from it. There are all too many car drivers that
don't understand a Carnot heat engine or the basic principles of
kinematics. There are consumers of processed food products that
probably would not want to know what is in and what was done to the
food they're eating. There are many people who work on products with
no clue what the product does or the basic principles of operation.
Much as I would like to see universal scientific and mathematical
education, I don't think it should be a pre-requisite for benefiting
from the resultant technology.

 

[Doug Bashford]

Why Science is Ridiculous

When people stop worshiping opra, britney,
paris, etc and start opening a book... hell, I guess any book will do...
even if its about those people, as long as they read it, then we've made a
step in the right direction.

any book will do... ??

Why is reading garbage better than (say,)
watching garbage TV?

--Doug

 

[Michael Lewis]

Everyone knows that science has been proven wrong time and again, but
why do you think that is? My opinion is because science works with
assumptions that depend on previous knowledge. So its easy to build
from the start and get something more complex.

We literally know nothing, and live in a sea of technology no one
understands.

Science is the quest for those answers. Yes, we don't know everything,
the only people who say that they do know everything are teenagers

All technology builds upon itself, it's been that way since the cave men
invented the wheel. Can you imagine cars using large rubber triangles?
Stone Age to Bronze Age to Iron age to... Well, you see my point. Yes,
life is complex now. Would you rather live in a cave shivering? Because
you know, knocking two rocks together to make fire is evil technology
also...

 

[Tim Williams]

LOL. Nicely self-satirical piece. Has some grammatical errors though.

Hmm, I suspect this is my first post to the other four NGs. Hi!

Tim

 

[Bob Myers]

Everyone knows that science has been proven wrong time and again, but
why do you think that is?

Right off the bat, you've revealed how little you know about the
subject you're trying to discuss. Two fundamental problems
in the above:

1. Statement that begin with "everyone knows" almost
always winds up talking about something that "everyone"
MISUNDERSTANDS. This is a perfect example.

2. "Science" has not been "proven wrong time and time
again," for the simple reason that science itself is not a body
of knowledge, nor any particular collection of "facts."
Science is a PROCESS which we use to sort out truth
from a lot of things that we might like to think were so, but
which really aren't. As that sort of tool, it has a track record
far better than any alternative that mankind has attempted to
use so far.

Certain statements or beliefs held and espoused by those
calling themselves "scientists" (a term which really just means
"someone who does science") have been shown to be
wrong, either in their entirety or in part, quite often - but that's
the nature of the process, and you would do well to at least
try to understand how that process works before you attempt
to comment on it further.

The rest of your post seems to be citing examples of things that
you yourself do not understand, and claiming that therefore
"no one" understands them. I would hope the error in such an
argument would be obvious.

Bob M.

 

[John Fields]

Why Science is Ridiculous



any book will do... ??

Why is reading garbage better than (say,)
watching garbage TV?

 

[Simon S Aysdie]

By reading garbage at least some of the technicalities of the
written language (like spelling and punctuation) might seep through.

Let's talk about eating garbage. Eating garbage causes farting, which
causes global warming. It is George Bush's fault, and the oil (beef
tallow) companies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jon Slaughter]

Why Science is Ridiculous



any book will do... ??

Why is reading garbage better than (say,)
watching garbage TV?

Watching TV requires absolutely no effort except to keep your eyelids open.
So I suppose the only thing it could be consider better than is sleeping...
but sleeping is required while TV is not.

 

[kT]

Let's talk about eating garbage. Eating garbage causes farting, which
causes global warming. It is George Bush's fault, and the oil (beef
tallow) companies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's talk about the main stream media, MSNBC, CNN, FOX, Headline News.

Shit. It smells good. Smell the shit. Hmmmm ...

Shit. It feels good. Feel the shit. Ooooh ...

Shit. It tastes good. Eat the shit. Yummm ...

Shit. It's good for you. Eat more shit. Buy more shit. From US!

Americans, buying and eating shit on a daily basis, and loving it.

 

[mika]

LOL. Nicely self-satirical piece.

Unfortunately, he's not in on the joke. All evidence seems to point
to "PureOne" taking himself and his posts quite seriously.

Hmm, I suspect this is my first post to the other four NGs. Hi!

Hi.

 

[Barry Lennox]

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:40:28 +0000, Michael Lewis

snip

All technology builds upon itself, it's been that way since the cave men
invented the wheel. Can you imagine cars using large rubber triangles?
Stone Age to Bronze Age to Iron age to... Well, you see my point. Yes,
life is complex now. Would you rather live in a cave shivering? Because
you know, knocking two rocks together to make fire is evil technology
also...

Indeed all technology can be used for evil or good.

"Virtually every major technological advance in the history of the
human species-- back to the invention of stone tools and the
domestication of fire-- has been ethically ambiguous"

by Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the
Dark

 

[Nevermore]

From: "Tim Williams" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.religion.wicca,sci.electronics.design
Subject: Re: Why Science is Ridiculous
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:54:19 -0500

LOL. Nicely self-satirical piece.

Never underestimate the dead-seriousness of the self-evident hypocrite.

Has some grammatical errors though.

Hmm, I suspect this is my first post to the other four NGs. Hi!

Jello shots all around.

Nevermore (if the scientific method could repeat it, it wouldn't be
witchcraft)

 

[Donald]

PureOne wrote:

<snip non-sense>


I think is trying to cover up the Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
resignation.

There is a Bushite everywhere, lying to the American people.

How many more to get through before Bush gets castrated.

don