When AOE 3rd ED to be published?

[jmc]

Anyone know when the next edition of The Art Of Electronics is due out?
jmc

 

[Winfield Hill]

jmc wrote...

Anyone know when the next edition of The Art Of Electronics is due out?

According to our publisher, several years ago! Sorry! But rest assured
that we are working on it. :>) Suggestions are solicited and welcome.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

 

[Joel Kolstad]

Anyone know when the next edition of The Art Of Electronics is due out?

I seem to recall Win saying about a decade back now that he was hoping to
find the time to work on it 'shortly?' Guess he's been busier than
expected!

Still, I think the most important parts on the book on analog design are
still quite relevant barring what might be consider the contemporary 'best
in class' devices listed. The digital stuff is dated, but at the level that
AoE addresses it, it's easy to pick up on one's own.

---Joel Kolstad

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Anyone know when the next edition of The Art Of Electronics is due out?
jmc

Ask Win Hill, the author. As busy as he is, I wouldn't hold my
breath.

 

[John Crighton]

jmc wrote...

According to our publisher, several years ago! Sorry! But rest assured
that we are working on it. :>) Suggestions are solicited and welcome.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

Hello Win,
I was visiting my old mum in Adelaide a few months ago
and she wanted me to see the state library of South Australia's
new face lift and modernisation. Just for fun I looked up
A of E on their computer. I searched the shelves and could
not find it, so I checked with the enquiries desk.

"Oh! That is an old book, it is down in storage."
"What! That is one of the electronic bibles, what is it
doing there? It should be on the main shelves"
"Anything over several years old with computer stuff goes
in the dungeon. That is library policy"

The library staff got the book up from storage and I was
expecting to see it covered in pencil marks and dog eared.
Nope, it was still pristine like new. It must have spent most
of its life in storage. I explained that this book is so valuable,
student wise, it should be out on shelves not hidden in storage.
"Sorry, that is library policy."

A bit of a depressing story. The computer content of the
book sent it to the dungeon. Makes me wonder how
many other libraries have similar weird policies.

Regards,
John Crighton
Sydney

 

[jmc]

jmc wrote...

According to our publisher, several years ago! Sorry! But rest assured
that we are working on it. :>) Suggestions are solicited and welcome.

Thanks,
- Win

Oh! So do you mean that the book is ready to publish, but in the mean time
you are open to suggestions? If so, where do I send them?
jmc

 

[Winfield Hill]

Michael A. Terrell wrote...

Ask Win Hill, the author. As busy as he is, I wouldn't
hold my breath.

Yawn....

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

 

[Winfield Hill]

jmc wrote...

Oh! So do you mean that the book is ready to publish, but in the
mean time you are open to suggestions? If so, where do I send them?

Ready> In my dreams! Anyway, suggestions are easier to respond to
when the paper is still blank (hopefully our minds are not blank!).

It's good to post the suggestions right here, but my email address
is attached. I'm also the one you will reach if you click from our
book's home page, www.artofelectronics.com

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

 

[Steve Sousa]

Oh! So do you mean that the book is ready to publish, but in the mean
time you are open to suggestions? If so, where do I send them?

If they are still taking sugestions it means it's still far from being
printed... :-(

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Michael A. Terrell wrote...

Yawn....

Win, that wasn't meant as a put down. I was simply stating that you
had many other projects that keep you too busy to devote all your time
to writing. No one can do everything at once.

 

[Winfield Hill]

Michael A. Terrell wrote...

Win, that wasn't meant as a put down. I was simply stating that
you had many other projects that keep you too busy to devote all
your time to writing. No one can do everything at once.

I understand. What I meant was, yawn..., I'm not all that busy!

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Michael A. Terrell wrote...

I understand. What I meant was, yawn..., I'm not all that busy!

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

Unfortunately, I know that feeling all too well these days. Maybe
you'll be able to knock out a chapter or two before you're two busy to
turn around again? ;-)

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Winfield Hill

I understand. What I meant was, yawn..., I'm not all that busy!

And I thought you implied that you were tired out!

Any more meanings for 'Yawn!'? (Apart from 'Boring!', that is.)

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

In Winfield Hill typed:

jmc wrote...

According to our publisher, several years ago! Sorry! But rest
assured that we are working on it. :>) Suggestions are solicited
and welcome.

OK. When you print an example circuit with no analysis it isn't very
helpful. All examples of both good circuits and bad circuits should
include some circuit analysis. People who don't need to see the
analysis usually don't need to see the schematic either.

 

[Winfield Hill]

Tom Del Rosso wrote...

OK. When you print an example circuit with no analysis it isn't very
helpful. All examples of both good circuits and bad circuits should
include some circuit analysis. People who don't need to see the
analysis usually don't need to see the schematic either.

Good point. The circuits in the main body of the text are given only
after we have provided the necessary analysis tools and understanding
by that point in the text. Ditto for the "Good Circuits" collection.

In this way the circuits are there in part as little exercises in how
to apply the principles taught (and with some further guidance in the
text), but without a design "recipe". I do understand your point: for
someone who's going back and just wants to use the circuit "cookbook"
style, the circuits are tantalizing and incomplete. So in the new
edition we're adding relevant design formulas to each circuit, right
in the figure. That should help. But still there's an issue of what
for some will seem incomplete information for some of the more complex
or subtle circuits that we show.

Furthermore, I haven't decided how to deal with the "Good Circuits"
section in regard to the formulas. Page space is a serious issue, so
expanding these figures may not be an option. Moreover we've had many
complaints saying, what's wrong with this or that "Bad Circuit"?

Adding additional details on our web page may be the answer to most of
these problems, but we're not quite there yet. More accurately, it's
not the right time yet to make those decisions.

Suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

In Winfield Hill typed:

In this way the circuits are there in part as little exercises in how
to apply the principles taught (and with some further guidance in the
text), but without a design "recipe". I do understand your point:
for someone who's going back and just wants to use the circuit
"cookbook" style, the circuits are tantalizing and incomplete. So
in the new edition we're adding relevant design formulas to each
circuit, right in the figure. That should help. But still there's
an issue of what for some will seem incomplete information for some
of the more complex or subtle circuits that we show.

I was thinking of reinforcing the explanations, not using it cookbook
style. You don't need to provide all the formulas when they have
already been explained, and you should never use an algebraically
derived formula specific to that circuit, combining several basic
formulas, since that's just confusing.

Instead you can give at least abbreviated analysis that points the right
direction. Which formula to apply, and an intermediate result that can
be checked by the reader, but checked one step at a time. "By the
method in fig. x, the impedance of the feedback network at freq f is 5,
so the gain is..." For most methods explained in the 2nd edition there
is only one worked example, and going from that to application often
requires at least pointing out which method to use.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

Adding additional details on our web page may be the answer to most of
these problems, but we're not quite there yet. More accurately, it's
not the right time yet to make those decisions.

Suggestions are welcome.

Will there be a DVD-ROM (or CD-ROM) included?

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Winfield Hill]

Spehro Pefhany wrote...

Will there be a DVD-ROM (or CD-ROM) included?

Not as now envisioned. The issues seem obvious. First, any included
CDROM or DVD can immediately be assumed to be widely available over
the net at little or no cost. Second, this adds a non-trivial cost
factor to production. This cost must stand on its own, against the
simple expedient of free content-delivery over the internet. If we
provide important material over the net, someone who sees it but who
doesn't have a copy of the book may have limited use of its content,
and hopefully will be inclined to explore further by buying a copy.

Some owners of older editions may not need the newer edition to find
the free material useful, and some knowledgeable engineers may also get
an immediate benefit, but this is part of the scene and not a problem.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

 

[Joel Kolstad]

Not as now envisioned. The issues seem obvious. First, any included
CDROM or DVD can immediately be assumed to be widely available over
the net at little or no cost.

A compromise I've seen is a good search engine on a CD ROM that will link
you to the page of the book the material is on -- far more useful than a
simple 'index' (since you can do more complicated queries), yet none of the
actual content is available within the search engine's database.

Second, this adds a non-trivial cost
factor to production.

Really? It seems that every $35 soft-back computer book has a CD these
days, whereas for a $75 hard cover book I'd think the extra production cost
wouldn't be significant.

---Joel Kolstad

 

[Costas Vlachos]

Furthermore, I haven't decided how to deal with the "Good Circuits"
section in regard to the formulas. Page space is a serious issue, so
expanding these figures may not be an option. Moreover we've had many
complaints saying, what's wrong with this or that "Bad Circuit"?

It would be great if you added very brief explanations/comments about each
of the "bad circuits". They don't need to be lengthy, just hints to point
the beginner/intermediate reader to the right direction. I know the text
should be sufficient to explain them, but often readers are left with the
"what if" feeling if there is absolutely no direct explanation of a circuit.
Putting additional comments up in the AoE web site is a great idea too.

Finally, we can always ask you here at s.e.d ;-)

Looking fwd to the 3rd edition.

Adding additional details on our web page may be the answer to most of
these problems, but we're not quite there yet. More accurately, it's
not the right time yet to make those decisions.

Suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

cheers,
Costas