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amdx

Joerg said:
Has anyone used this for really fine pitch soldering?

http://www.geekalerts.com/usb-microscope-with-2gb-online-storage/

I am looking for something small that I can throw into the bag in a pinch
and that can live with my laptop (or pretty soon netbook) as a monitor,
when going to a client. Do these work?
Hi Joerg,
I would want to know how far you can get the camera away from your PCB and
get the magnification you need.
In other words can you get the camera 1ft away and get (wag) 5 to 15 times
magnification.
If you can get room to work, it could be a very useful tool.
Mike
 
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Joerg

amdx said:
Hi Joerg,
I would want to know how far you can get the camera away from your PCB and
get the magnification you need.
In other words can you get the camera 1ft away and get (wag) 5 to 15 times
magnification.
If you can get room to work, it could be a very useful tool.
Mike

I just wrote to them about that but it will take a day since they are in
the UK. The ad says focus 10mm to infinity, whatever that means. Says
zoom and focus are manual but I only see one adjuster ring. Strange.
Unfortunately there is no online manual.

The image quality probably won't be stellar but it doesn't have to be
for a soldering aid.
 
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Spehro Pefhany

I just wrote to them about that but it will take a day since they are in
the UK. The ad says focus 10mm to infinity, whatever that means. Says
zoom and focus are manual but I only see one adjuster ring. Strange.
Unfortunately there is no online manual.

The image quality probably won't be stellar but it doesn't have to be
for a soldering aid.

You'll want to keep the lens far enough away that it doesn't get
gummed up by the flux fumes. Maybe a little USB fan on the netbook if
you don't have a pocket fume extractor.
 
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John Devereux

Joerg said:
I just wrote to them about that but it will take a day since they are
in the UK. The ad says focus 10mm to infinity, whatever that
means. Says zoom and focus are manual but I only see one adjuster
ring. Strange. Unfortunately there is no online manual.

I guess you manually "zoom" by moving it closer? Then refocus.

The image quality probably won't be stellar but it doesn't have to be
for a soldering aid.

[...]
 
can I reccomend a ccd camera with the C mount lens used for watching
cash registers? Usually a .6 foot to infinity focusing range, and
a.low cost USB frame grabber. Adding a small lens extension tube or
ring(s) gives you the adjustment range you would need. Thats what I
use.

Steve Roberts
 
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Joerg

Spehro said:
You'll want to keep the lens far enough away that it doesn't get
gummed up by the flux fumes. Maybe a little USB fan on the netbook if
you don't have a pocket fume extractor.

Yes, good point. I was thinking about mounting a tiny little fan inside
the plastic spacer to blow outwards. Doesn't need much airflow.
 
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Joerg

John said:
I guess you manually "zoom" by moving it closer? Then refocus.

That would be tedious since it's mounted in a pivoting holder.

[...]
 
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Joerg

can I reccomend a ccd camera with the C mount lens used for watching
cash registers? Usually a .6 foot to infinity focusing range, and
a.low cost USB frame grabber. Adding a small lens extension tube or
ring(s) gives you the adjustment range you would need. Thats what I
use.

Initially I was thinking about something like that but I'd rather not
use a frame grabber. One more think to schlepp and potentially forget.
Thing is the USB versions of that I've seen so far were either
outrageous in price or puny in image quality.
 
can I reccomend a ccd camera with the C mount  lens used for watching
cash registers?   Usually a .6 foot to infinity focusing range, and
a.low cost USB frame grabber. Adding a small lens extension tube or
ring(s) gives you the adjustment range you would need. Thats what I
use.

Steve Roberts

I have a real microscope, but I have done what you suggested as well.
The key is to get a long focal length lens and then use c-mount
spacers. The spacers allow more working distance. You can get sets
(multiple lengths) of C-mount spacers pretty cheap on ebay. Joerg's
desire not to use a frame grabber does complicate using a CCD camera,
though you can get ethernet cameras from supercircuits.

Getting back to the maco, you need working room to solder. Regarding
gunk on the lens, a c-mount lens will be threaded. I got a nice 75mm
(very telephoto for CCD) on ebay for about $40.

I don't have the equations handy, but the macro spacer length is
related to the focal length of the lens, so a 75mm focal length will
use a longer spacer than say a 10mm fl. I set up a 12.5mm fl for use
in night vision (imaging the screen) and the working distance is
probably an inch. I can dig it up if Joerg gets serious.

I have a few Ernitec 12.5mm f1.3 as new old stock. but I think a
longer focal length would be better.
<http://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?
product=7238&sort=&cat=27&page=1>

Ebay item120338467673 would do the trick with a macro spacer.

Incidentally, I find using tools while viewing a TV screen very
unnatural. While using a probe station like that is OK, soldering was
another story. The B&L Stereozoom works much better.
 
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Joerg

I have a real microscope, but I have done what you suggested as well.
The key is to get a long focal length lens and then use c-mount
spacers. The spacers allow more working distance. You can get sets
(multiple lengths) of C-mount spacers pretty cheap on ebay. Joerg's
desire not to use a frame grabber does complicate using a CCD camera,
though you can get ethernet cameras from supercircuits.

Getting back to the maco, you need working room to solder. Regarding
gunk on the lens, a c-mount lens will be threaded. I got a nice 75mm
(very telephoto for CCD) on ebay for about $40.

I don't have the equations handy, but the macro spacer length is
related to the focal length of the lens, so a 75mm focal length will
use a longer spacer than say a 10mm fl. I set up a 12.5mm fl for use
in night vision (imaging the screen) and the working distance is
probably an inch. I can dig it up if Joerg gets serious.

I might but let me first wait for an answer from Veho in the UK. Theirs
cannot zoom below a factor of 20 but I might get used to it. 10-15 would
have been nicer. If it can be focused 5-10" away at lowest zoom I'd be
ok. I don't really care about the higher zoom ranges.

I have a few Ernitec 12.5mm f1.3 as new old stock. but I think a
longer focal length would be better.
<http://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?
product=7238&sort=&cat=27&page=1>

Ebay item120338467673 would do the trick with a macro spacer.

Incidentally, I find using tools while viewing a TV screen very
unnatural. While using a probe station like that is OK, soldering was
another story. The B&L Stereozoom works much better.


Everybody is different. I found that most folks at my previous company
were like you, preferring stereo microscope. B&L, Leica, Zeiss. I can
happily solder while looking at a screen in another direction.
 
J

Joerg

John said:
Since you can't tote a Mantis around, how about a digital camera that
has a good macro mode? Use it as a magnifier, on a mini-tripod, and it
takes pictures, too!

I have one and it does nice macro. Usually in the briefcase when I do
EMI jobs. But it won't live-stream via its USB cable. It can only
download pics and brief movies.

Back east I've used a Mantis because that's all they had. Almost became
sea-sick from its slow wobble and I usually never get sea-sick.
 
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James Arthur

Joerg said:
I might but let me first wait for an answer from Veho in the UK. Theirs
cannot zoom below a factor of 20 but I might get used to it. 10-15 would
have been nicer. If it can be focused 5-10" away at lowest zoom I'd be
ok. I don't really care about the higher zoom ranges.

Plenty of those on eBay Joerg. Just search for "USB microscope".
They all look like the same unit.

James Arthur
 
I might but let me first wait for an answer from Veho in the UK. Theirs
cannot zoom below a factor of 20 but I might get used to it. 10-15 would
have been nicer. If it can be focused 5-10" away at lowest zoom I'd be
ok. I don't really care about the higher zoom ranges.




Everybody is different. I found that most folks at my previous company
were like you, preferring stereo microscope. B&L, Leica, Zeiss. I can
happily solder while looking at a screen in another direction.

Magnification doesn't really make sense in this application unless the
screen size is known. Have you considered just wearing magnifiers. On
the low end, you just get reading glasses. There are magnifiers you
can wear.

The brain (OK, my brain) wants the motion of the iron to make sense
from my perspective. Now why a manipulator probe is not a problem is
another story. It may be that the soldering iron can move in any
direction. When you probe, you move one direction at a time.
 
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Boris Mohar

I have one and it does nice macro. Usually in the briefcase when I do
EMI jobs. But it won't live-stream via its USB cable. It can only
download pics and brief movies.

Back east I've used a Mantis because that's all they had. Almost became
sea-sick from its slow wobble and I usually never get sea-sick.

That is the first thing that I noticed with Mantis. Not to mention the back
reflection.
 
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Joerg

Boris said:
It looks like it comes with built in light but why does it need 32MB free
system memory?

Well, you know how software is usually written these days ...
 
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