UK Wireless alarm systems

[Dave Partridge]

Hi all, I`m after input from anyone knowledgeable on the many types of
wireless alarm systems fitted in the UK to help me with content on a new
wireless section on my site, content would include items such as wireless
pro`s & cons, and possibly equipment rankings and comparisons with the
Powermax, Infinite, Honeywell Domonial, Scantronic & Menvier models that are
available.

My site is funded by myself, so unfortunately I can offer only my thanks and
a mention with any submitted material I use, but if you feel you can help me
out that would be great.

 

[Dave Partridge]

Just read all those posts concerning wireless alarm systems. Is this also
true for all UK & EU systems that comply with BS EN 50131 and any Class 6
alarm equipment..?

 

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Just read all those posts concerning wireless alarm systems. Is this also
true for all UK & EU systems that comply with BS EN 50131 and any Class 6
alarm equipment..?

No doubts.

You are in doubt, test them (see my post number 16) and find-out by
yourself.

Paul (Belgium)

 

[Dave Partridge]

Sorry Paul, but I cant base my entire review on the rantings of 1
individual, what equipment are you basing your comments on..? I want the big
picture. I have fitted Class 6 equipment in the UK and never encountered any
major problems, and I`ve fitted a few of the new Domonial systems, which are
supposed to be a new breed of wireless equipment. Getting some good reviews
over here.

Thanks to those who have emailed me replies.

 

[Frank Olson]

Sorry Paul, but I cant base my entire review on the rantings of 1
individual,

Then there's hope for you... )

what equipment are you basing your comments on..?

Here's the equipment Paul purchased:

http://www.eclats-antivols.fr/modules.php?name=Boutique&itm_ref=1845

I want the big picture.

In that case, you don't want Paul's advice or direction...

 

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Sorry Paul, but I cant base my entire review on the rantings of 1
individual, what equipment are you basing your comments on..?

That's logical, just one question, WHY did nobody mention the Radio
Frequency Interference (RFI) problem before i did first?
RFI is a well known problem in the wireless industry, do you really
think that wireless alarm systems are an exception?

I want the big
picture. I have fitted Class 6 equipment in the UK and never encountered any
major problems, and I`ve fitted a few of the new Domonial systems, which are
supposed to be a new breed of wireless equipment. Getting some good reviews
over here.

Of course, RFI is not warned, the owner nor the monitoring station
know of it.

Thanks to those who have emailed me replies.

Just look if they are credible and not business gain influenced like
YOU i understand correctly.

You like to be honest?
The ballgamer is up to you but don't do like the "low level
electricians" contact manufacturers and ask them to provide
specification on theyre wireless loop, that simple.
I'm curious to read those..

Paul

 

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Dave, do YOU like to be honest?
I have had second thought about your remark..

Dave, why are wireless alarm systems escaping from radio frequency
transmission interferences (RFI) problems generated form the outside?

Please Dave, read my previous posts, they seems alike but aren't in
fact, please read them and make your constructive comments if you
like, I'm ready to replay.

Please Dave ask manufacturers to come forward and mention the warranty
they provide about RFI.

Paul

 

[Dave Partridge]

You`ve gotto be kidding me, it looks like its out the ark. Surely his whole
gripe with wireless is founded by the use of that contraption..?

 

[Dave Partridge]

"That's logical, just one question, WHY did nobody mention the Radio
Frequency Interference (RFI) problem before I did first? RFI is a well known
problem in the wireless industry, do you really think that wireless alarm
systems are an exception?"
Paul, I probably know more about RFI than yourself, I`ve been a radio user
for the last 25 years, and a ham for the last 12. No I don't think that
wireless alarm systems are immune to RFI, I just doubt that they are quite
as susceptible as your remarks imply.

"Of course, RFI is not warned, the owner nor the monitoring station know of
it."
Now on that count I know to at least one panel which would prove you wrong,
You havn`t replied with any models of system or given any proof to your
claims other than your own experience with 1 alarm system..?

"Just look if they are credible and not business gain influenced like YOU I
understand correctly"
No you don't understand at all, your just jumping to conclusions which makes
me wonder if you`ve done the same regarding wireless systems, have you had
one bad experience and so decided all wireless systems are the same..?
Take a look at my website, I`m not selling anything and don`t make a penny
from my site, I`m just a lowly Alarm Service Engineer who`s trying to create
a good resource site for anyone owning, buying an alarm system.

Dave Partridge
www.TheSecurityInstaller.co.uk

UK Security Resource

 

[Dave Partridge]

"why are wireless alarm systems escaping from radio frequency transmission
interferences (RFI) problems generated form the outside?"

I didn`t say they weren`t, I admit that RFI could interfere and disrupt
reception of transmition devices if another more powerful transmission on
the same frequency was nearby.

Do you know anything about class 6 UK wireless systems..? If not don't reply
any further.

 

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If you know a little bit about wireless Dave you should know about RFI
and the bad consequences

OR

is the whole a ball game you play together with Frank and a predefined
setup sometimes?
Good attempt but it fails unless YOU can say why my previous posts
are in error.

Paul

 

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"why are wireless alarm systems escaping from radio frequency transmission
interferences (RFI) problems generated form the outside?"

I didn`t say they weren`t, I admit that RFI could interfere and disrupt
reception of transmition devices if another more powerful transmission on
the same frequency was nearby.

Do you know anything about class 6 UK wireless systems..? If not don't reply
any further.

Poor Dave, yes i know class 6 UK wireless systems certification
procedures.

Just explain why they are better than the CE certification
requirements..

Paul

 

[Dave Partridge]

I don`t know anyone called Frank..?

And how can you say that your posts are NOT in error when you can provide no
proof that they aren`t..?

I am not saying that RFI doesn`t exist, but the way you rant on about how
susceptible this equipment is truly pathetic, especially in this age of DSP,
and detectors that communicate digitally with the control equipment.

I cannot disprove your own personal claims regarding your experiences with
wireless alarm equipment, but if your basing your entire discussion on your
bad experience with the panel above, then I think its quite laughable and
your argument is un realistic.

 

[Dave Partridge]

UK Class 6 Equipment.

All detectors are monitored by the main control panel, which at the same
time inspects RSS from each device to ensure it matches, if not it
communicates with the device and tells it to alter frequency up/down 25Kc`s,
and then checks to ensure that the device its communicating with bears the
correct digital signature. If not the control panel CAN if setup to do so
communicate with the central station forewarning of a possible jamming
attempt. It will at least inform the client of any communication failure.

 

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Paul, I probably know more about RFI than yourself, I`ve been a radio user
for the last 25 years, and a ham for the last 12..

OK, i got it, play the game with Frank not with me.
End of pissing contest.

Paul

 

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UK Class 6 Equipment.

All detectors are monitored by the main control panel, which at the same
time inspects RSS from each device to ensure it matches, if not it
communicates with the device and tells it to alter frequency up/down 25Kc`s,
and then checks to ensure that the device its communicating with bears the
correct digital signature. If not the control panel CAN if setup to do so
communicate with the central station forewarning of a possible jamming
attempt. It will at least inform the client of any communication failure.
Dave Partridge

When there is RFI nothing can be decoded, and switching 25KHz is pure
idiocy for signal recognition.
Its intended for normal operation propagation node problems.

Pissing contest is over, you are the winner with the highest...
Mouthpower.

Paul

 

[Dave Partridge]

Why are you soo upset..? and why assume there`s been a pissing contest. You
started this with your spamming of the newsgroup and replying to MY post,
but seeing as you have again replied with nonsense, ill reply with a fact.

"YOU HAVN`T GOT A CLUE"

I came and asked a simple question, and you tried to outwit me with
bullshit, sorry but your a fool to believe in all the that garbage you keep
posting. I`d suggest you do some serious homework on the subject of digital
transmissions and RFI, and try to get your facts straight.


Dave Partridge
www.TheSecurityInstaller.co.uk

 

[Frank Olson]

Why are you soo upset..? and why assume there`s been a pissing contest. You
started this with your spamming of the newsgroup and replying to MY post,
but seeing as you have again replied with nonsense, ill reply with a fact.

"YOU HAVN`T GOT A CLUE"

I came and asked a simple question, and you tried to outwit me with
bullshit, sorry but your a fool to believe in all the that garbage you keep
posting. I`d suggest you do some serious homework on the subject of digital
transmissions and RFI, and try to get your facts straight.

I figured Paul's "character" would manifest itself sufficiently for you to
formulate your own opinion of his "expertise" (I notice he didn't disappoint
you). Any doubts you had about the validity of his arguments should be laid
to rest after reading this:


Excerpt from
http://groups.google.com/[email protected]&rnum=1:

1- At the age of 14, your school recommended that you receive a
psychological exam after you were accused of asking girls for a sample of
their feces.

2- When you were applying for a position with the Communication Directorate,
your written test only had 8 correct answers out of 100, the lowest score
ever recorded. Even wannabe engineers scored at least 20 right. You made
challenges based on assumptions that had no basis in electronics.

3- You were twice arrested in France (1998) & (2001) for indecent acts You
were warned and released in the 1998 after you made a solicitation for sex
to a transvestite (ref: 98-454048-G-12), and ordered to pay a fine in the
2001 incident (ref: M01-000862-G-06) involving a male in a public restroom.

 

[Mark Leuck]

You`ve gotto be kidding me, it looks like its out the ark. Surely his whole
gripe with wireless is founded by the use of that contraption..?

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That is correct, its the only system our Belgium friend has ever known, just
call and ask him

P Rampelbergh
29 Heldenlaan
1970 Wezenbeek-Oppem
Belgium

+32 (02) 7311850

[email protected]

 

[petem]

Dave please stop feeding the troll
he doesnt give a rant about wireless system...

73 to you!