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David L. Jones
For those with a Rigol DS1052E oscilloscope, you can now turn it into a
100MHz DS1102E with just a serial cable:
Dave.
100MHz DS1102E with just a serial cable:
Dave.
David said:For those with a Rigol DS1052E oscilloscope, you can now turn it into
a 100MHz DS1102E with just a serial cable:
Dave.
This url does not open on my seamonkey but does on IE6 (with a warningDavid said:For those with a Rigol DS1052E oscilloscope, you can now turn it into a
100MHz DS1102E with just a serial cable:
Dave.
What you have done is possibly a criminal act in the USA, using a
computer to deprive Rigol of revenue. In the US, "using a computer" to
perform an act can be a much more severe crime than the act itself.
I have some sympathy for Rigol here. Many of our products have an
option that can be enabled in firmware, and that we charge for. We put
a lot of engineering effort into the firmware, and need to be paid for
it. If buyers of my gear can order the cheaper one and make it into
the expensive one, by copying an EPROM maybe, or setting a bit in
flash somewhere, I can't recover the cost of the feature. The act is
arguably legal theft. It's certainly moral theft.
Products are increasingly IP and less hardware these days, and the IP
is expensive.
Of course, Rigol made it too easy. They will probably go back and make
it harder to do, and that will make the scope cost more in both
versions.
I recently got a 1052E, and it's a pretty nice scope. The digital
filtering is not perfect, but it's sure cute. It has way more goodies
than a comparable Tek for under half the price. I'll probably get a
few more.
John
The design cost is amortized over all the units. [Hey, don't worry
what the consults charges, it will go to zero as we sell a million
units.]
Rigol does themselves a disservice by having to maintain two
products. They should just sell the higher speed scope, bomb the
market, and then own it.
David said:For those with a Rigol DS1052E oscilloscope, you can now turn it into a
100MHz DS1102E with just a serial cable:
Dave.
John said:What you have done is possibly a criminal act in the USA, using a
computer to deprive Rigol of revenue. In the US, "using a computer" to
perform an act can be a much more severe crime than the act itself.
I have some sympathy for Rigol here. Many of our products have an
option that can be enabled in firmware, and that we charge for. We put
a lot of engineering effort into the firmware, and need to be paid for
it. If buyers of my gear can order the cheaper one and make it into
the expensive one, by copying an EPROM maybe, or setting a bit in
flash somewhere, I can't recover the cost of the feature. The act is
arguably legal theft. It's certainly moral theft.
Products are increasingly IP and less hardware these days, and the IP
is expensive.
Of course, Rigol made it too easy. They will probably go back and make
it harder to do, and that will make the scope cost more in both
versions.
I recently got a 1052E, and it's a pretty nice scope. The digital
filtering is not perfect, but it's sure cute. It has way more goodies
than a comparable Tek for under half the price. I'll probably get a
few more.
It's also very dishonest
Do
you think people would buy their products if they knew that the only
difference between the low end and high end versions is the price?
Larkin are too arrogant to understand this. Do you think people would buy their products if they
knew that the only difference between the low end and high end versions is the price....
At the very least they could have added some true functional improvement that made it justifiable
but simply changing the model number....
doesn't justify a 40% price increase.
Nial said:...and access to extended functionality that someone's had to be paid
to develop?
...and access to further functionality that someone's had to be paid
to develop....
By your logic Microsoft should only be charging $0.50 for the costs
of the DVD when they sell Windows7.
They sell you a device that's made with 100Mhz circuitry and then hold it hostage until you pay
more.
terryc said:Fill me in one that please. (I do not waste bandwidth on youtube).
In this country, if I outrightly own item A and item B, what I do with
them is my business (legal restictions aside).
Where was the dishonest part?
Was their an agreement signed prohibiting use of some part on one of the
items
Well, the only difference with Casio calculators over the entire range
was the number of wires brought out from under the blob, but they still
sell like hot cakes.
In this case Rigol actually went to the trouble to design-in circuitry to enable this 50MHz
"cripple" feature. The front end was clearly designed from day one to be at least 100MHz
bandwidth, and they then decided to dumb it down to meet a lower end market and price point by
adding the cripple feature.
So George is essentially right, the only effective difference is the price.
The only extra functionality is being able to go to 2ns timebase instead of 5ns, everything else
is identical. A couple of lines of code?
Any extra design effort that has gone into this product all went in to designing the cripple
feature to dumb it down!
A completely silly analogy.
It's their design, they can market and sell it whatever way they want to
optimise their profits.
Dishonesty would be promising 100MHz performance then delivering 50MHz
performance
with a demand for more money to get to 100MHz.
Obtaining financial benefit by deception is the very definition of criminal fraud.
** Nope - that would be blatant example of extortion.
You ignorant dickhead.
Where is the deception?
Perhaps a better example would be promising a scope with 100MHz bandwidth
then delivering 50MHz bandwidth.
I'll leave the dickhead judgement to my friends.
YOU FUCKWIT POMMY MORON !!!
In the FACT that the 100MHz version is NOT actually a different model
but sells with a very significant price hike - like 40%.
If they told buyers THAT simple truth they would not have any sales.
For those with a Rigol DS1052E oscilloscope, you can now turn it into
a 100MHz DS1102E with just a serial cable:
Dave.
Nial Stewart said:"Phul (of it) Allinson"
Fair enough, I agree completely with this statement.
If you pay for a scope they say has 50MHz bandwidth, they deliver a scope
that has a 50MHz bandwidth?
If you pay for a scope they say has 100MHz bandwidth, they deliver a scope
that has a 100MHz bandwidth?
Where is the deception?