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swapping napco 1632 panel

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Ziggy

My neighbors have an old 1632 panel without the panel code and would
like to put in a new one so they can have the code if they ever wanted
to make changes etc. I have the napco software but have never done
this before. Can I just reconnect the new panel the same way the old
one was? What do I need to do after I have swapped it as far as
programming goes?

Thanks for everyones help
Steven
 
Z

Ziggy

My neighbors have an old 1632 panel without the panel code and would
like to put in a new one so they can have the code if they ever wanted
to make changes etc. I have the napco software but have never done
this before. Can I just reconnect the new panel the same way the old
one was? What do I need to do after I have swapped it as far as
programming goes?

Thanks for everyones help
Steven

Or is there an easy way to reset the panel code?
 
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Jim

My neighbors have an old 1632 panel without the panel code and would
like to put in a new one so they can have the code if they ever wanted
to make changes etc. I have the napco software but have never done
this before. Can I just reconnect the new panel the same way the old
one was?  What do I need to do after I have swapped it as far as
programming goes?

Thanks for everyones help
Steven

I'm not sure if this works with the 1632, but you might be able to get
into programing if you could get a new chip from Napco.
 
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Ziggy

I'm not sure if this works with the 1632, but you might be able to get
into programing if you could get a new chip from Napco.

do I have to get it from Napco or can it be purchased online? If I
change the chip will all programed features such as the remote keyfobs
be lost?
 
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Ziggy

The 1632 isn't normally the one with a master code chip. There is a default
dealer code you could try. I think RLB might help you if you ask him nicely.







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Ronald,

Thanks for your response.I hope RLB posts back :)
 
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Bob La Londe

Ziggy said:
My neighbors have an old 1632 panel without the panel code and would
like to put in a new one so they can have the code if they ever wanted
to make changes etc. I have the napco software but have never done
this before. Can I just reconnect the new panel the same way the old
one was? What do I need to do after I have swapped it as far as
programming goes?

Thanks for everyones help
Steven

Do you have a PCI2000 or just a PCImini for programming?




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Bob La Londe - Owner
P.O. Box 5720
Yuma, Az 85366

(928) 782-9765 ofc
(928) 782-7873 fax

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ROC103044 & ROC103047
 
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Robert L Bass

I'm not sure if this works with the 1632,
but you might be able to get into
programing if you could get a new chip
from Napco.

That's SOP for the P3200 and P9600. IIRC, Napco doesn't offer a replacement chip for the P1632. The default master code for the
P1632 is 456789. Jim Rojas or Bobo Campbell (aka "Tourman") might be able to default the panel for the gentleman. However, that
would require reprogramming the panel from scratch afterward.

The panel can be replaced (reprogramming still required, obviously). I checked with my distributor and the replacement board is
about $82 retail. Dealers can get it for about $65. Programming by keypad is a pain but doable. PC software for Napco is free.
There's a dongle you can get to connect the Napco control panel to a PC.

A Napco tech support guy once told me a procedure for defaulting the P1632. It involved removing all power from the panel and then
shorting one of the pins to ground. Unfortunately, I've forgotten the exact procedure. It would probably be unwise to just short
things at random as there is a small voltage (that's what you're killing by shorting) in a cap circuit. Perhaps Jim (aka Alarminex)
knows the specifics?

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
Z

Ziggy

That's SOP for the P3200 and P9600. IIRC, Napco doesn't offer a replacement chip for the P1632. The default master code for the
P1632 is 456789. Jim Rojas or Bobo Campbell (aka "Tourman") might be able to default the panel for the gentleman. However, that
would require reprogramming the panel from scratch afterward.

The panel can be replaced (reprogramming still required, obviously). I checked with my distributor and the replacement board is
about $82 retail. Dealers can get it for about $65. Programming by keypad is a pain but doable. PC software for Napco is free.
There's a dongle you can get to connect the Napco control panel to a PC.

A Napco tech support guy once told me a procedure for defaulting the P1632. It involved removing all power from the panel and then
shorting one of the pins to ground. Unfortunately, I've forgotten the exact procedure. It would probably be unwise to just short
things at random as there is a small voltage (that's what you're killing by shorting) in a cap circuit. Perhaps Jim (aka Alarminex)
knows the specifics?

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

Robert.

Thank you for the response. I have the software and the cable to
connect to the panel. I have made changes to my p3200 but never
programed a new panel from scratch.

Steven
 
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Robert L Bass

Robert.
Thank you for the response. I have the
software and the cable to connect to
the panel. I have made changes to my
p3200 but never programed a new panel
from scratch.

You're welcome, Steven. The P1632 isn't hard
to program, especially with the software. I'm
assuming you have the current release. If not,
let me know and I'll show you where to get it.

If you need help with the initial programming,
feel free to call me some evening and I'll walk
you through it. The whole procedure takes
maybe 15-20 minutes.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
Z

Ziggy

You're welcome, Steven. The P1632 isn't hard
to program, especially with the software. I'm
assuming you have the current release. If not,
let me know and I'll show you where to get it.

If you need help with the initial programming,
feel free to call me some evening and I'll walk
you through it. The whole procedure takes
maybe 15-20 minutes.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

I just don't want to get the panel then not be able to program it,
they have wireless motion sensors, wireless window and smokes I
believe and also a wirelss keyfob which they need to add an extra one.
Will I need to check anything else on the system in order to program
it? I assume I can see these things via the keypad?
 
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Robert L Bass

I just don't want to get the panel then
not be able to program it, they have
wireless motion sensors, wireless
window and smokes I believe and also
a wirelss keyfob which they need to
add an extra one.

There's a label on each transmitter. The
label has the unique hex address of the
transmitter. You can enter that address
into the program to tell the panel which
devices are connected and to which
"zones" they are assigned. It sounds
more complicated than it is.
Will I need to check anything else on
the system in order to program it?

You need to if any hard wired devices are
connected to wired zones on the system.
You need to know how many keypads
there are. If the keypads are the custom
English display type (RP1-CAe2, for
example) you also need to know if the
"compat" number has been changed.
Very rarely have I come across a system
where this has been done but if it has the
keypads won't work.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>


I assume I can see these things via the keypad?
 
J

Jim

Robert.

Thank you for the response. I have the software and the cable to
connect to the panel. I have made changes to my p3200 but never
programed a new panel from scratch.

Steven-

Steve, there are ways of defaulting a number of Napco panels by
shorting pins on one of their IC's. Unfortunately my list of "how
to's" falls short of the 1632. I just assumed that because the chip is
replaceable in the 1632, the same as the 3200 and 9600, that it might
be able to be defaulted in the same manner.

You'll have to gather all the information that you can about the
placement of transmitters and regarding the hex numbers of each of the
transmitters You'll have to know which zone number each transmitter is
assigned to as well as any hardwired zones. Keypads etc as already
mentioned.

If you get a new board, it will come with a programing manual, which
you should probably not look at. It may just scare the hell out of
you. As long as you have the Napco program, being walked through the
process is probably the best way to do it.
 
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Robert L Bass

As soon as you connect to the panel, download the current program and
save it so you can upload it again in case of a 'fubar'.

Good point but for the sake of clarity, we usually refer to transferring data from the panel to the PC as uploading -- not
downloading.
BTW, depending on what state you're in,
this may be illegal for you to do unless
you are a licensed dealer...

Sorry, but that is absolutely wrong. There are no laws anywhere in the US preventing someone from servicing his own residential
alarm panel. Likewise, anyone can help a friend, relative or neighbor for free without getting a state license. If the gentleman
was doing it for pay, then we agree -- a license is required in NY State.
You appear to be posting from New York,
which has laws regulating "service" of an
alarm system...

NY's licensing law applies to folks who do the work for pay -- not DIYers.
You may find out that no good deed goes
unpunished as it concerns your liability to
the neighbor if something goes wrong,
and the state for operating without proper
licensing.

While the neighbor might be able to sue, he'd have to demonstrate gross negligence to go after a friend who only does the job as a
courtesy. The state has no interest in neighbors helping each other out fixing an alarm when there's no payment involved.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Robert L Bass

Further info regarding NYS licensing:

"Business of Installing, Servicing or Maintaining Security or Fire Alarm Systems"

"Article 6-D General Business Law"

§69-l. Definitions
"3. "Licensee" means a person as herein defined licensed to engage in the business of installing, servicing or maintaining security
or fire alarm systems under this article."

"§69-m. License required"
"Furthermore, a property owner or proprietor who purchases or owns an alarm system to be installed by him or his employees onto his
property or place of business shall not fall under the provisions of this article."

Bear in mind that the whole license requirement under NY statute is predicated upon the licensee engaging in the business. Doing a
favor for free is no more engaging in the business than changing your neighbor's oil makes you a licensed mechanic.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Robert L Bass

I'm not going to engage you in another
argument...

It's not an argument. We disagree on
what the law says or at least on what
it implies. There's room in my thinking
for the possibility I may be wrong. Is
there also room in your mind for the
possibility that you're in error?
you have a good guess of who I am...

I hadn't given it any thought. No offense.
I just replied to your comment because
we disagree.
and I would like to keep our correspondence
civil for as long as possible.

That's easy. We can disagree without
being incivil.
I am simply pointing out the fact that this
activity may fall under NY regulatory provisions.

And I simply pointed out that the law refers
to engaging in the *business* of installing.
There's a significant difference IMO between
doing a favor for a friend and opening a business.
Neither you or I know what (if any) fees this
"neighborly" act entails...

True, but the limited information we have so
far does not point to any fee being paid. If
the OP is still reading this thread, perhaps he
can clarify that point. Certainly if he were
being paid I would agree with you.
I would also point out that just because no
compensation may be demanded, a liability
exists of anyone performing any type of
work on whomever's property - good
intentions, paid or not.

That depends on things like jurisdiction,
what might go wrong, whether the friend
represented himself as technically competent,
etc. In the final analysis, you can be sued
for almost anything you do, so I agree with
you there. However, liability isn't an automatic
thing. Absent a contract and any for of
remuneration, most thinking people (jurors,
judges, etc.) would likely not look favorably
upon a friend suing his neighbor for an act
of kindness. Can it happen? Sure. Is it
likely to happen? Probably not.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Bob La Londe

Robert L Bass said:
A Napco tech support guy once told me a procedure for defaulting the
P1632. It involved removing all power from the panel and then shorting
one of the pins to ground. Unfortunately, I've forgotten the exact
procedure.

There is a procedure I found for the P1632 to get to the dealer code without
defaulting anything using a PCI2000. in direct mode. Never heard of a pin
short procedure for one.


--
Sincerly,
The guy who makes the final decision on who we buy from.
Bob La Londe

The Security Consultant
Bob La Londe - Owner
P.O. Box 5720
Yuma, Az 85366

(928) 782-9765 ofc
(928) 782-7873 fax

Licensed Contractor
ROC103044 & ROC103047
 
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Jim

There is a procedure I found for the P1632 to get to the dealer code without
defaulting anything using a PCI2000.  in direct mode.  Never heard ofa pin
short procedure for one.

Would you consider E-mailing me that information?
 
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