Safewatch Pro 3000 arm/disam status

[Gadgets]

I have a Pro3000 that was installed by ADT. I would like to monitor
this myself through my home automation system. My problem is, figuring
out how to program the system to give me a relay (dry-contact) output
that toggles folllowing the arm / disarm status of the system.
Does anyone here know if this can be done?? I know how to program the
3000, I just can't see how to do this part.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks

 

[Frank Olson]

I have a Pro3000 that was installed by ADT. I would like to monitor
this myself through my home automation system. My problem is, figuring
out how to program the system to give me a relay (dry-contact) output
that toggles folllowing the arm / disarm status of the system.
Does anyone here know if this can be done?? I know how to program the
3000, I just can't see how to do this part.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks

If you know how to "program the 3000", then you must also have the
"programming manual". So why are you asking this when the answer is
right in front of your face? It's obvious to me that you *don't* know
how to "program the 3000". This is an Ademco Vista 20P. What kind of
keypad do you have (model number). Without the proper keypad, you're
going to find it extremely difficult (if not outright impossible) to
program the panel.

 

[Frank Olson]

I don't know that that a Pro3000 is a Vista 20P. But if it is a Vista 20P it
should be easy to do with a Ademco 4204.
Program 20P for using the 4204 the relay(s) for trigger type 2 and zone type
20, 21 or 22 and device action of 2 or 4 and the respective device (relay)
number. That is all depending on exactly what relay you wish to use and the
relay action you want it to be. You will have to have a keypad like a 6160
or use Compass software (not available to anyone but ADT for ADT brand
panels). Programming relays on any Ademco panel can be a bit "funny". Many
times there are several ways to program the relays to get the same end
result.

From the instructions:

<snip>


He doesn't need a 4204. He can use the onboard trigger output to fire a
12 volt relay (which would be cheaper than buying the 4204 or the 4229
zone expansion module). If he already has the 4229 zone expander, it
comes with relays on board.

The point is he obviously doesn't know how to program the unit (or
doesn't have the manual). He hasn't given us enough information about
his setup.

 

[Gadgets]

<snip>

He doesn't need a 4204. He can use the onboard trigger output to fire a
12 volt relay (which would be cheaper than buying the 4204 or the 4229
zone expansion module). If he already has the 4229 zone expander, it
comes with relays on board.

The point is he obviously doesn't know how to program the unit (or
doesn't have the manual). He hasn't given us enough information about
his setup.

If you knew how to do this Frank (which obviously you do not) you
would be offer then information I was looking for like Roland has.

I have the manual, I have a 4204 and a 4229, I also have the required
keypad (if memory serves it's the 6160voice LCD keypad) I also have
the compass software, which by the way out of all the downloading
software I have used over the years.. is the worst, but that's not at
issue. Why do people like yourself bother responding if you are unable
to help??

 

[Gadgets]

Hi Roland,

Thanks for the info. I'm not at home at the moment to look at what I
have attempted, but clearly I am missing something. After seeing this
all together, I'm starting to think maybe it's not a programming
error, but more something I have connected incorrectly. But I will
start again at the beginning and to try an narrow down what I have
missed. I was just to the point where I though what I was trying to do
wasn't actually possible or something.

Oh, and as a side note from Frank's comment, I can't use the onboard
triggers they are in use for other purposes.

Thanks for the help.

 

[Frank Olson]

If you knew how to do this Frank (which obviously you do not) you
would be offer then information I was looking for like Roland has.

Why would I "offer" anything to someone that's stated (in their original
post) that they "know how to program"? If you have the 4229 then you
have two programmable relays on board you can use to accomplish what you
want. RTFM!!!

I have the manual, I have a 4204 and a 4229, I also have the required
keypad (if memory serves it's the 6160voice LCD keypad) I also have
the compass software, which by the way out of all the downloading
software I have used over the years.. is the worst, but that's not at
issue. Why do people like yourself bother responding if you are unable
to help??

RTFM and quit bein' such a cry baby! Sheesh... If you don't know
what you're doing, then say so. Don't post "I know how to program the
3000" when you obviously don't. Everything Roland posted is from the
freekin' manual.

 

[alarman]

If you knew how to do this Frank (which obviously you do not) you
would be offer then information I was looking for like Roland has.

I have the manual, I have a 4204 and a 4229, I also have the required
keypad (if memory serves it's the 6160voice LCD keypad) I also have
the compass software, which by the way out of all the downloading
software I have used over the years.. is the worst, but that's not at
issue. Why do people like yourself bother responding if you are unable
to help??

You're a computer guy...right?
No? Software "engineer"?
Network "engineer"

Yeah. Buzz the **** off.

 

[Robert L Bass]

If you knew how to do this Frank (which obviously you do not) you would be
offer then information I was looking for like Roland has.

He's not a technician; just a counter sales clerk. He hangs out here because
hge has no friends in the real world.

I have the manual, I have a 4204 and a 4229, I also have the required keypad
(if memory serves it's the 6160voice LCD keypad) I also have the compass
software, which by the way out of all the downloading software I have used
over the years.. is the worst, but that's not at issue. Why do people like
yourself bother responding if you are unable to help??

He does it because he's an asshole.

You probably need to refer to the pages 5-8(ff) of the Vista-20P manual. I'm
not certain which panel your ADT (renamed Honeywell stuff) is but the
procedure should be about the same for any of the smaller Vista series panels.
If you need the manuals, call and I'll send them to you. They're free (of
course).

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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[Frank Olson]

He's not a technician; just a counter sales clerk.

Heh... In all these years you have yet to prove this lame assed
assertion of yours.

He does it because he's an asshole.

The "ass" calling the... No that doesn't work... My ass is pink.

You probably need to refer to the pages 5-8(ff) of the Vista-20P
manual.

"Probably"?? You mean you don't know??

I'm not certain which panel your ADT (renamed Honeywell stuff)
is but the procedure should be about the same for any of the smaller
Vista series panels. If you need the manuals, call and I'll send them to
you. They're free (of course).

So... you're not "certain" which panel his is... and he already has
the proper manual, dumb-ass. You can't read either.

 

[Crash Gordon]

Did I hear a whisper about the ADT personality disk?




--
**Crash Gordon**






| You're welcome. It was mostly just cut and paste really. If the 4204
module
| is wired, addressed and enrolled properly, I'd try to get one of the
relays
| to do a simple action (not the final version of what you want). Once you
| know that you have all the basics out of the way, you can close in on
| getting the desired action out of the relays, by trail and error if
nothing
| else. Honeywell (Ademco) is not my favorite panel, but I did a couple just
| like yours with a 4204 in the past few days so I happened to remember
enough
| to write it down here. Otherwise I might not have had an to answer your
| post. If what I posted helps then we both got lucky. If you happen to have
| Compass software with the ADT personality disk I wouldn't admit to much
| about it here. If you hacked it then don't say anything. There are legal
| types lurking and looking for their next payday. Let's just say that my
| understaning is that you might be less than certain about the type of
panel
| programming software you have, and that's good enough for both of us.
|
|
| | > Hi Roland,
| >
| > Thanks for the info. I'm not at home at the moment to look at what I
| > have attempted, but clearly I am missing something. After seeing this
| > all together, I'm starting to think maybe it's not a programming
| > error, but more something I have connected incorrectly. But I will
| > start again at the beginning and to try an narrow down what I have
| > missed. I was just to the point where I though what I was trying to do
| > wasn't actually possible or something.
| >
| > Oh, and as a side note from Frank's comment, I can't use the onboard
| > triggers they are in use for other purposes.
| >
| > Thanks for the help.
| >
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Frank Olson]

Did I hear a whisper about the ADT personality disk?

I'll never tell.

 

[Frank Olson]

Hi Roland,

Thanks for the info. I'm not at home at the moment to look at what I
have attempted, but clearly I am missing something. After seeing this
all together, I'm starting to think maybe it's not a programming
error, but more something I have connected incorrectly. But I will
start again at the beginning and to try an narrow down what I have
missed. I was just to the point where I though what I was trying to do
wasn't actually possible or something.

Ademco makes one of the most robust systems out there. It's a nightmare
to program though if you don't know what you're doing though. I would
suggest upgrading to a Vista 128B or 128FB and dumb the "ADT" badged
main board. Either way, take your time, RTFM, and you should do fine.

 

[JoeRaisin]

Lets see, its a nightmare for him to program a Vista-20P so you'd recommend
upgrading to an even harder panel to program

makes sense somehow

I thought he was screwing with him.

Get a real Vista-20ps or a First Alert 168CPS and get rid of any flaky
ADT nuances. The defaults are all screwed up on those ADT panels.

 

[Frank Olson]

Lets see, its a nightmare for him to program a Vista-20P so you'd recommend
upgrading to an even harder panel to program

makes sense somehow

It's only a "nightmare" if you don't know how to program it.

 

[Crash Gordon]

It's not rocket science ya know.




--
**Crash Gordon**






|
message
| | > Gadgets wrote:
| > > Hi Roland,
| > >
| > > Thanks for the info. I'm not at home at the moment to look at what I
| > > have attempted, but clearly I am missing something. After seeing this
| > > all together, I'm starting to think maybe it's not a programming
| > > error, but more something I have connected incorrectly. But I will
| > > start again at the beginning and to try an narrow down what I have
| > > missed. I was just to the point where I though what I was trying to do
| > > wasn't actually possible or something.
| >
| >
| > Ademco makes one of the most robust systems out there. It's a nightmare
| > to program though if you don't know what you're doing though. I would
| > suggest upgrading to a Vista 128B or 128FB and dumb the "ADT" badged
| > main board. Either way, take your time, RTFM, and you should do fine.
|
|
| Lets see, its a nightmare for him to program a Vista-20P so you'd
recommend
| upgrading to an even harder panel to program
|
| makes sense somehow
|
|

 

[Gadgets]

It's good to see the discussion has continued since I first posted a
simple question. After looking thought Roland's posted info, and the
manual once again, I have now gotten the relay triggering the way I
wanted. I'm not sure what step I was missing in my other attempts but
obviously I was missing something, which was making me wondering if
this could even be done.

As for what I know... 21+ years in the Security business as a tech..
NOT a sales person. BUT, I have been off work for 2 1/2 years now with
a back injury so remembering every little detail about programming a
control to do something I had not previously done was a workout. I
worked for ADT for the last 5 years after our company got bought...
and lord knows ADT doesn't do anything out of the norm, so I had never
had the oportunity to control an output for arm/disarm. Only a couple
times for other uses. After my failed attempts I wasn't sure if it was
my rustyness or the panel couldn't do it.

And yes ADT is a "big cold, go by the numbers not the customer
service company" you mentioned. I work(ed) in the Canadian portion,
the techs I had to work with or deal with were quite good compared to
what I have heard about most in other places. But then, almost all of
us in Canada were bought up by the ADT Hoover so didn't have the poor
attitudes until after a few years. Even so, providing the
customer service we want to supply, is nearly impossible anymore.

Anyway, thanks for the help to those that offered.

 

[JoeRaisin]

It's good to see the discussion has continued since I first posted a
simple question. After looking thought Roland's posted info, and the
manual once again, I have now gotten the relay triggering the way I
wanted. I'm not sure what step I was missing in my other attempts but
obviously I was missing something, which was making me wondering if
this could even be done.

As for what I know... 21+ years in the Security business as a tech..
NOT a sales person. BUT, I have been off work for 2 1/2 years now with
a back injury so remembering every little detail about programming a
control to do something I had not previously done was a workout. I
worked for ADT for the last 5 years after our company got bought...
and lord knows ADT doesn't do anything out of the norm, so I had never
had the oportunity to control an output for arm/disarm. Only a couple
times for other uses. After my failed attempts I wasn't sure if it was
my rustyness or the panel couldn't do it.

And yes ADT is a "big cold, go by the numbers not the customer
service company" you mentioned. I work(ed) in the Canadian portion,
the techs I had to work with or deal with were quite good compared to
what I have heard about most in other places. But then, almost all of
us in Canada were bought up by the ADT Hoover so didn't have the poor
attitudes until after a few years. Even so, providing the
customer service we want to supply, is nearly impossible anymore.

Don't get me started - I am, on occasion, pretty disgusted by what
passes for customer service in my own company. And, frankly, I think we
are head and shoulders above the competition...