Running mains fluorescents from inverter

[Mho]

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"Man at B&Q" wrote in message



More like 30W or less equivalent in a real world comparison.


15W LED v. 58W flourescent, not a hope.

MBQ


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and very bad light colour.


mike

Depends entirely where you NEED the light. The LED can provide as much
light in a restricted area as the flourescent does - but will NOT
light as large an area to that brightness. So the question is - how
much light do you need and where???
If the light scattered all over by the flourescent is needed - use
flourescent. If it is just wasted (not needed anyway) try the LED
solution.

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How does distribution affect light colour?

Please re-read and comment appropriately.



mike

 

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Depends entirely where you NEED the light. The LED can provide as much
light in a restricted area as the flourescent does - but will NOT
light as large an area to that brightness. So the question is - how
much light do you need and where???
If the light scattered all over by the flourescent is needed - use
flourescent. If it is just wasted (not needed anyway) try the LED
solution.

--------------------

How does distribution affect light colour?

Please re-read and comment appropriately.



mike

I re-read it, and according to the net-nazi's my response was
correct. I bottom posted in response to the "15W LED v 58W
Flourescent, not a hope" which was on the same level (>>) as the very
bad light colour - so apparently the same message.
Get a life!!

 

[Mho]

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Depends entirely where you NEED the light. The LED can provide as much
light in a restricted area as the flourescent does - but will NOT
light as large an area to that brightness. So the question is - how
much light do you need and where???
If the light scattered all over by the flourescent is needed - use
flourescent. If it is just wasted (not needed anyway) try the LED
solution.

--------------------

How does distribution affect light colour?

Please re-read and comment appropriately.



mike

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I re-read it, and according to the net-nazi's my response was
correct. I bottom posted in response to the "15W LED v 58W
Flourescent, not a hope" which was on the same level (>>) as the very
bad light colour - so apparently the same message.
Get a life!!

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You responded to my last post, not "15W LED v 58W Flourescent, not a
hope"and it your response was clearly a response to my "and very bad light
colour"

Hate to burst your bubble but it is very clear from the list of text (see
above in bottom posting sheeple style) that you did a threado.

I have a life and was trying to correct your oversight causing confusion.

 

[Mho]

Oh brother!

There is no hope for that moronic, out of date, Forte, reader. There lies
your problem. The garbage relies on right carets (">") instead of the header
attributions and links,

 

[m II]

"Andy Burns" wrote in message

Oh brother!

There is no hope for that moronic, out of date, Forte, reader. There
lies your problem. The garbage relies on right carets (">") instead of
the header attributions and links,

Agent and any number of newsreaders using headers *and* quote characters
are fine. IMHO it's your WLM v15 that's garbage, it makes your replies
indistinguishable from the messages you're replying to due to *lack* of
quote characters (> are not carets by the way). You even recognise this
yourself, as you try to compensate for it by inserting "------------"
separators by hand.


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Wave of the future 'cause MS says so. Not much you can do about it 'cept get
a better reader.


mike

 

[Mho]

"Andy Burns" wrote in message

Wave of the future 'cause MS says so. Not much you can do about it

There's not much I *need* to do about it, in fact ignoring posts from
people who insist on using WLM pretty much about covers it ...

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You haven't done very well to this point


mike

 

[Dave-UK]

"Andy Burns" wrote in message


Agent and any number of newsreaders using headers *and* quote characters
are fine. IMHO it's your WLM v15 that's garbage, it makes your replies
indistinguishable from the messages you're replying to due to *lack* of
quote characters (> are not carets by the way). You even recognise this
yourself, as you try to compensate for it by inserting "------------"
separators by hand.


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Wave of the future 'cause MS says so. Not much you can do about it 'cept get
a better reader.


mike

Do yourself, and everyone else, a favour and remove Windows Live Mail version 15
and install version 14:

WLM2009 ver 14:
http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-all.exe

 

[Dave Liquorice]

I'd be thinking about solar (keep an eye on Maplin for bargain
clearances),

Carlisle has the 3' x 1' 20W (I think) panels at £40 each ATM...

... recycled car batteries for low cost, ...

They might not have much deep cycle capacity and car batteries don't
like deep cycles anyway. However if the batteries are free... One
might need to make allowances for acid vapours - ventilation/acid
resistant enclosure.

... then LED lighting rather than fluoresecent.

I've not seen any "spray light every where" LED luminaires. They are
all directional to a greater or lesser extent.

 

[m II]

"Dave-UK" wrote in message Do yourself, and everyone else, a favour and remove Windows Live Mail
version 15
and install version 14:

WLM2009 ver 14:
http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-all.exe

 

[m II]

"Mho" wrote in message


"Andy Burns" wrote in message

Wave of the future 'cause MS says so. Not much you can do about it

There's not much I *need* to do about it, in fact ignoring posts from
people who insist on using WLM pretty much about covers it ...

==============

You haven't done very well to this point


mike

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Leave it. It's a Linux person and that displays an attitude right from the
git-go. They get confused easily.


mike

 

[Dave-UK]

"Dave-UK" wrote in message Do yourself, and everyone else, a favour and remove Windows Live Mail
version 15
and install version 14:

WLM2009 ver 14:
http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-all.exe

It would put the quote characters ( > ) back into your posts.
Then any thread you posted to would be readable and not have messages merging into one another.
You can see how it works from the way your post is now quoted above.

 

[m II]

"Andy Burns" wrote in message

You haven't done very well to this point

You're right, I've now got a filter on
X-newsreader: contains "Windows Live Mail 15"

Leave it. It's a Linux person

It's got nothing to do with Linux vs Windows, I use both.

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The Linux user attitude is well portrayed by your responses, right on cue

mike

 

[m II]

"Dave-UK" wrote in message

"Dave-UK" wrote in message
Do yourself, and everyone else, a favour and remove Windows Live Mail
version 15
and install version 14:

WLM2009 ver 14:
http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-all.exe

It would put the quote characters ( > ) back into your posts.
Then any thread you posted to would be readable and not have messages
merging into one another.
You can see how it works from the way your post is now quoted above.

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Totally a waste of bandwidth and not required or desired.
Bottom posting and goofy character indentation, normally with right caret
symbols leads to many arguments due to attribution confusing.


mike

 

[Andrew Gabriel]

A switche dmode generated sine is highly efficient. If it wasnt, the
invertor would cook itself.

It's efficient into a resistive load.
A magnetically ballasted fluorescent lamp isn't a resistive load.
Even if it has a power factor correction capacitor (and most
don't nowadays), that can only correct the inductive component
in the power factor, not the contribution from the tube, which
amounts to about half of it.

The inverter cannot recover the excess energy borrowed from it
and returned each half cycle due to the phase shift, so the load
on the inverter is much nearer to the (higher) VA rating of the
lamp than the power rating. (That's why inverters are rated in
VA and not Watts.)

 

[no spam]

It would put the quote characters ( > ) back into your posts.
Then any thread you posted to would be readable and not have messages merging into one another.
You can see how it works from the way your post is now quoted above.

Dave.
"mHo" and the person posting as this "mII" person are
the same idiot. The "mII" use is a forgery of a known
"good guy" in electronic Usenet circles.
Owning a poor skillset (as a troll) your tormentor is
known universally as "Gymmy Bob".
Also uses "J P Bengi", Larry Lix, Pizza Girl, Janice,
Solar Flare.
Some of it's history is here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3qxdmxy
http://groups.google.com/groups/sea...ject=&[email protected]&safe=off

 

[Dave-UK]

Dave.
"mHo" and the person posting as this "mII" person are
the same idiot. The "mII" use is a forgery of a known
"good guy" in electronic Usenet circles.
Owning a poor skillset (as a troll) your tormentor is
known universally as "Gymmy Bob".
Also uses "J P Bengi", Larry Lix, Pizza Girl, Janice,
Solar Flare.
Some of it's history is here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3qxdmxy
http://groups.google.com/groups/sea...ject=&[email protected]&safe=off

I've Googled "m II" <[email protected]> in Google Groups and seen some of his other ramblings.

 

[no spam]

I've Googled "m II" <[email protected]> in Google Groups and seen some of his other ramblings.

Not thorough enough, Dave.
Both are using the same "From". That is
what makes it "forgery".

You need the host info for the 'real' "mII".
X-Authenticated-User: $$sw9$93tx4oqxdlfbayv
X-Complaints-To: [email protected]

*and*
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686;
rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608 Firefox/4.0.1
SeaMonkey/2.1

So far Gymmy Bob has not been able to forge either of
those headers.
Usually Gymmy is posting from "teranews.com" having had
his X-Priv account access canned, for forgery.

Just how much you get to see of a post in
Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8
I have no idea. I ceased using a browser to read
newsgroups >18 years ago.. for good reason.
Reasons like those that only allow you to see what
Gymmy wants you to see. He uses WLM also, poorly.

... take care.

 

[David Lesher]

Wave of the future 'cause MS says so. Not much you can do about
it 'cept get a better reader.

That's an oxymoron I can treasure, like Military Intelligence and
"airline food..."

 

[Mho]

Having a hard time getting anybody to response to your other hundred names?

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