ROHS directive and electric vehicles?

[conundrum]

Hi all.

Seems that the EU have again shot themselves in the foot by totally
banning NiCad batteries, as it seems that the recycling of old
batteries into the electric vehicle (EV) market is not allowed.

This effectively means that LiIon is the only acceptable choice, and
given the lack of a certified pack design for automotive use means that
they have effectively outlawed electric vehicles for the forseeable
future.

So the next time you fill up at the pump and see the ridiculous price
of petrol, you can blame the idiots in Brussels

-A

 

[[email protected]]

Hi all.

Seems that the EU have again shot themselves in the foot by totally
banning NiCad batteries, as it seems that the recycling of old
batteries into the electric vehicle (EV) market is not allowed.

This effectively means that LiIon is the only acceptable choice, and
given the lack of a certified pack design for automotive use means that
they have effectively outlawed electric vehicles for the forseeable
future.

So the next time you fill up at the pump and see the ridiculous price
of petrol, you can blame the idiots in Brussels

Wait until we get the RoHP, Regulation on Harmful Politicians

 

[[email protected]]

Hi all.

Seems that the EU have again shot themselves in the foot by totally
banning NiCad batteries, as it seems that the recycling of old
batteries into the electric vehicle (EV) market is not allowed.

This effectively means that LiIon is the only acceptable choice, and
given the lack of a certified pack design for automotive use means that
they have effectively outlawed electric vehicles for the forseeable
future.

So the next time you fill up at the pump and see the ridiculous price
of petrol, you can blame the idiots in Brussels

Wait until we get the RoHP, Regulation on Harmful Politicians

Otoh, I have seen at least three solutions to that bind hydrogen to a
metalpowder or bricks. Which will release it with a small heater.

 

[Eeyore]

Hi all.

Seems that the EU have again shot themselves in the foot by totally
banning NiCad batteries, as it seems that the recycling of old
batteries into the electric vehicle (EV) market is not allowed.

This effectively means that LiIon is the only acceptable choice, and
given the lack of a certified pack design for automotive use means that
they have effectively outlawed electric vehicles for the forseeable
future.

So the next time you fill up at the pump and see the ridiculous price
of petrol, you can blame the idiots in Brussels

I don't think anyone was using Nicad anyway. Li-ion seems to be the way since
only it appears to be remotely capable of the energy density needed.

Fuel cells are the alternative.

Graham

 

[none]

Hi all.

Seems that the EU have again shot themselves in the foot by totally
banning NiCad batteries, as it seems that the recycling of old
batteries into the electric vehicle (EV) market is not allowed.

This effectively means that LiIon is the only acceptable choice, and
given the lack of a certified pack design for automotive use means that
they have effectively outlawed electric vehicles for the forseeable
future.

So the next time you fill up at the pump and see the ridiculous price
of petrol, you can blame the idiots in Brussels

-A

maybe you havn't moticed the trends with supercaps?
150 Farads!?!?

dan

 

[Eeyore]

Wait until we get the RoHP, Regulation on Harmful Politicians

Otoh, I have seen at least three solutions to that bind hydrogen to a
metalpowder or bricks. Which will release it with a small heater.

Hydrides are monumentally heaver than the hydrogen itself though.

Graham

 

[Richard Henry]

maybe you havn't moticed the trends with supercaps?
150 Farads!?!?

What is the leakage current?

 

[rue_mohr]

none wrote:




What is the leakage current?

I think its quite low, they are being used as backup cells for low power
circuits.

hmm, I wish I could...
ah here is my old elna catalog...
2.5V 100F hmm its not clear, looks like 30uA

"Panasonic's GoldCaps comprise several ranges of pc-board-mounting
capacitors with values of 0.1 to 2F at 2.3 or 5.5V, targeting a variety
of data-retention and -backup functions.
The company recently added the Ultra-Power (UP-Cap) device, which it
aims at emerging 42V automotive applications. It specifies these
devices, which come in cylindrical-can format, at 500 to 2500F and 2.3V
and claims a lifetime of 2000 hours at 2.3V and 60°C. Panasonic's
automotive-device-marketing specialist Matthias Frey, describing the use
of an array of 40 to 50 capacitors in a vehicle, anticipates that the
technology will reach the full 75°C rating that the automotive industry
would like to have by 2005 or 2006. Panasonic is currently building
capacitor arrays to explore automotive applications as special custom
projects.
"

http://www.edn.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA268379


see, I'm not off my rocker!
2500F thats just crazy


dan

 

[RHRRC]

Hi all.

Seems that the EU have again shot themselves in the foot by totally
banning NiCad batteries, as it seems that the recycling of old
batteries into the electric vehicle (EV) market is not allowed.

This effectively means that LiIon is the only acceptable choice, and
given the lack of a certified pack design for automotive use means that
they have effectively outlawed electric vehicles for the forseeable
future.

So the next time you fill up at the pump and see the ridiculous price
of petrol, you can blame the idiots in Brussels

-A

If you actually take the bother to read the agreed text of the
EU battery directive you will learn that it does *not* advocate
"totally banning NiCad batteries".

It does, however, seek to reduce the impact all battery types have on
the environment by a number of strategies.

In particular the use of NiCad batteries is well recognised in the
directive for duties where their properties remain unequalled in
performance at economical levels in the marketplace.

 

[RHRRC]

Hi all.

Seems that the EU have again shot themselves in the foot by totally
banning NiCad batteries, as it seems that the recycling of old
batteries into the electric vehicle (EV) market is not allowed.

This effectively means that LiIon is the only acceptable choice, and
given the lack of a certified pack design for automotive use means that
they have effectively outlawed electric vehicles for the forseeable
future.

So the next time you fill up at the pump and see the ridiculous price
of petrol, you can blame the idiots in Brussels

-A

If you actually take the bother to read the agreed text of the
EU battery directive you will learn that it does *not* advocate
"totally banning NiCad batteries".

It does, however, seek to reduce the impact all battery types have on
the environment by a number of strategies.

In particular the use of NiCad batteries is well recognised in the
directive for duties where their properties remain unequalled in
performance at economical levels in the marketplace.

 

[Eeyore]

If you actually take the bother to read the agreed text of the
EU battery directive you will learn that it does *not* advocate
"totally banning NiCad batteries".

It does, however, seek to reduce the impact all battery types have on
the environment by a number of strategies.

In particular the use of NiCad batteries is well recognised in the
directive for duties where their properties remain unequalled in
performance at economical levels in the marketplace.

In a similar manner, neither are lead acid batteries banned.

Graham

 

[Mark]

I wonder about the law of unintended consequences with this ROHS stuff.
How much extra pollution will be cuased by all the extra paper and
work needed to support extra part numbers. How many people will be
killed or injured by failed vehicle equipment with bad solder joints
due to non-lead solder or due to the growth of whiskers. How much
extra trash will be created by all the electronic gear that fails due
to these problems. Its a classic case of letting beauracrats get in
the way of common sense.

Mark

 

[CWatters]

Hi all.

Seems that the EU have again shot themselves in the foot by totally
banning NiCad batteries,

NiMH cells are just about as good as NiCad these days. The model car/plane
boys have all switched over. NiMH cells can supply quite high current.

 

[CWatters]

Hi all.

Seems that the EU have again shot themselves in the foot by totally
banning NiCad batteries, as it seems that the recycling of old
batteries into the electric vehicle (EV) market is not allowed.

It's very hard to build a decent EV using NiCad, NiMH or Lead cells anyway.

This effectively means that LiIon is the only acceptable choice, and
given the lack of a certified pack design for automotive use means that
they have effectively outlawed electric vehicles for the forseeable
future.

Li cells are better and getting better. They just aren't available in
quantity yet....

http://www.lithiumtech.com/StandardCells.html
http://www.a123systems.com/html/home.html
http://www.valence.com

 

[ian field]

Wait until we get the RoHP, Regulation on Harmful Politicians

Europe has mad politician disease!!!

 

[martin griffith]

Europe has mad politician disease!!!

Ther are amateurs, check out the professionals

http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts...oasts-ralph-reed-and-the-christian-coalition/


martin

 

[Eeyore]

Europe has mad politician disease!!!

It's hard to disagree with that assessment for sure !

Graham

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

Europe has mad politician disease!!!

What country (or coalition, or whatever) doesn't?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[CWatters]

Europe has mad politician disease!!!

Probably all the cadmium in the drinking water.

 

[ian field]

Probably all the cadmium in the drinking water.

Cadmium doesn't cause mad politician disease (more likely mercury!) and Cd
is more likely to turn up in tobacco than drinking water!