Robert Baer and his Redmond jones (was: telephone black box)

[JeffM]

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Linux will not run most of the WonDoz type proggies i use[...]

Have you actually made an attempt to verify that?

http://www.google.com/search?q=winehq
http://www.google.com/search?q=Wine-Is-Not-an-Emulator+recursive-acronym

(CodeWeavers also has a payware version of WINE.)
http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:codeweavers-com-compatibility-browse-name&num=100&filter=0

: CorelDraw

http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...d=210+ver+CorelDRAW+Honorable.Mention&strip=1
(Honorable Mention)

, QuattroPro

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=534
(Silver Award)

....and welcome to the 21st Century
where you are NOT indentured to single-platform payware apps:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...and.open.source+LGPL#Operating_system_support

http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...#What_formats_can_Inkscape_import.2Fexport.3F
..
http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...-*-*-can-import+LGPL#Operating_system_support
..
..
....and in the 21st Century, smart people who are forced to run Windoze
run that fragile environment and its ridiculous security model
in a *virtual* space so the INFECTIONS go *poof* upon closing the
session.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci....s+any.operating.system+virginal-*+*-cunning-*
(Joerg Schulze-Clewing, John Devereux, David Brown)

Virtualized Windoze *is* Windoze
so you can run your ancient Windoze-only apps without reservations
--all the security of Linux with all the (non-security) quirks of M$.

 

[JeffM]

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Jasen Betts wrote:
Install linux.

In

Linux will not run most of the WonDoz type proggies i use[...]

Have you actually made an attempt to verify that?
http://www.google.com/search?q=winehq
http://www.google.com/search?q=Wine-Is-Not-an-Emulator+recursive-acronym

(CodeWeavers also has a payware version of WINE.)
http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:codeweavers-com-compatibility-browse-name&num=100&filter=0

http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...d=210+ver+CorelDRAW+Honorable.Mention&strip=1
(Honorable Mention)

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=534
(Silver Award)

...and welcome to the 21st Century
where you are NOT indentured to single-platform payware apps:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...and.open.source+LGPL#Operating_system_support

http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...#What_formats_can_Inkscape_import.2Fexport.3F
.
http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...-*-*-can-import+LGPL#Operating_system_support
.
.
...and in the 21st Century, smart people who are forced to run Windoze
run that fragile environment and its ridiculous security model
in a *virtual* space so the INFECTIONS go *poof* upon closing the
session.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci....s+any.operating.system+virginal-*+*-cunning-*
(Joerg Schulze-Clewing, John Devereux, David Brown)

Virtualized Windoze *is* Windoze
so you can run your ancient Windoze-only apps without reservations
--all the security of Linux with all the (non-security) quirks of M$.

Well, i have 4 partitions encompasing 3 OSes and data.
Has the stupidity of a LILO partition been fixed?

LiLo goes in the MBR of hda--same as any other boot manager.
You make it sound like you are trying to do something else.
....and if you already have a boot manager, you don't need another.

 

[JosephKK]

In

Jasen Betts wrote:

Install linux.

In

Linux will not run most of the WonDoz type proggies i use[...]

Have you actually made an attempt to verify that?

http://www.google.com/search?q=winehq
http://www.google.com/search?q=Wine-Is-Not-an-Emulator+recursive-acronym

(CodeWeavers also has a payware version of WINE.)
http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:codeweavers-com-compatibility-browse-name&num=100&filter=0

: CorelDraw

http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...d=210+ver+CorelDRAW+Honorable.Mention&strip=1
(Honorable Mention)

, QuattroPro

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=534
(Silver Award)

...and welcome to the 21st Century
where you are NOT indentured to single-platform payware apps:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...and.open.source+LGPL#Operating_system_support

http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...#What_formats_can_Inkscape_import.2Fexport.3F
.
http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...-*-*-can-import+LGPL#Operating_system_support
.
.
...and in the 21st Century, smart people who are forced to run Windoze
run that fragile environment and its ridiculous security model
in a *virtual* space so the INFECTIONS go *poof* upon closing the
session.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci....s+any.operating.system+virginal-*+*-cunning-*
(Joerg Schulze-Clewing, John Devereux, David Brown)

Virtualized Windoze *is* Windoze
so you can run your ancient Windoze-only apps without reservations
--all the security of Linux with all the (non-security) quirks of M$.

Well, i have 4 partitions encompasing 3 OSes and data.
Has the stupidity of a LILO partition been fixed?

LILO has been pretty well displaced by GRUB, which sits in the MBR or
on any partition you like.

If you hardware is up to it you will really like a modern Linux on a
multi core 64-bit machine, i sure do. Virtualizes real nice.

 

[JeffM]

LILO has been pretty well displaced by GRUB,
which sits in the MBR or on any partition you like.

If it was on *any* partition, why wouldn't the system
look at the boot sector of hda and ignore the boot manager?
....or is there a step you left out?

If [your] hardware is up to it[,]

Heh. Your comment is directed at a guy
whose primary OS is Windows 98.

you will really like a modern Linux on a multi core 64-bit machine,
i sure do. Virtualizes real nice.

Well, he *is* about due for some new hardware.
I think Baer may be even cheaper than I am.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

LILO has been pretty well displaced by GRUB, which sits in the MBR or
on any partition you like.

If you hardware is up to it you will really like a modern Linux on a
multi core 64-bit machine, i sure do. Virtualizes real nice.

I use XOSL (XOSL2) and point at my OS partitions.

Vista Ultimate Eternity Edition

Windows 7 Public Beta

OpenSuse 11.1 X64

Other as yet unfilled Linux partitions

On the PS3, I use Petitboot, and it points at a USB drive, the DVD
drive, and five hard drive partitions, with the USB and optical being on
the fly boot menu reads.

I have:

Gentoo portage

Yellow Dog 6

OpenSuse 11.1

Ubuntu Jaunty Jackelope

Grid on USB drive

I wish I could get Knopper to do a PPC Cell PS3 Knoppix release.

 

[JosephKK]

If it was on *any* partition, why wouldn't the system
look at the boot sector of hda and ignore the boot manager?
...or is there a step you left out?

That depends primarily on the boot manager in question. Old system
Commander would search for new bootable partitions, many others do
not. Neither LILO nor GRUB does search.

If [your] hardware is up to it[,]

Heh. Your comment is directed at a guy
whose primary OS is Windows 98.

I have an old laptop (500 MHz) that came with MSWin98. Back then i
added a linux partition to it (RH 7.3). Also note that he has 3 OS's
on his machine. Just the same, a hardware (to current) update would
be unlikely to hurt him. *86 virtualization is getting pretty good
now.

Well, he *is* about due for some new hardware.
I think Baer may be even cheaper than I am.

Marking your snips is considered polite. If you wish to be polite
please do so. Otherwise, i will consider your responses
appropriately.

 

[JeffM]

Well, not quite cheap; let us say use of limited funds leads to
inexpensive results.

Daddy used to say Mama could squeeze the buffalo off a nickel.
I think I got that gene.
The "conspicuous consumption" thing just boggles my mind.
What's that they say? "People spending money they don't have
to buy things they don't need to impress people they don't like."

After saving for many months, i finally got a new computer

Hot damn! I thought you simply inherited a video card.

which is leading to problems.

8-( Now I see what the gnashing of teeth has been about.

Newer hardware seems to have poor support or no support for Win98SE.

Lets see: 137GB limit on drives.
Did you find 98-compatible SATA drivers--or go another route?

And in this case, it does not help that the MB has on-board video
which is not really disabled, but bypasses in the BIOS
by [assigning] IRQ 11 to the daughterboard (GeForce 8400GS).

Seems all NVIDIA drivers fail to find the chip

That doesn't surprise me nor should it surprise anyone
who doesn't have have a jones for staying current with M$'s
most-hyped offering.
Even when it exists, NVIDIA "support" is pretty sucky
under *anything* except M$'s longest-currently-supported OS.

[...]And *no* Win98SE sound driver (RealTek).
Gurr!

Shame on you for not reading the labels / spec sheets
and making sure the hardware you were paying for
had support for your prefered OS. (It would be nice
if Win9x had an Approved Hardware List like Linux & XP do.)

Joseph's *virtualization* suggestion is sounding REALLY apt.
http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...modified+GPL+tax+text+501#General_Information

(Free) VirtualBox keeps getting glowing reviews in the groups.
David Brown about busts a gut trying to rave about it enough.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci....s+any.operating.system+virginal-*+*-cunning-*

Have you booted to a Linux CD cleanly?
That would mean that distro/version has a device driver for
everything.
At that point, using *that* OS as the _host_ for a Virtual Machine
and running 98 as a _guest_ would pass off all the hardware
interaction
to the known-to-be-better-supported OS.

 

[Jasen Betts]

Lets see: 137GB limit on drives.
Did you find 98-compatible SATA drivers--or go another route?

all SATA controllers support atleast one drive in ATA compatibility
mode. W98 (DOS7) will run OK with bios hard drive support only.