RFID device zapper unveiled at 22nd Chaos Communication Congress

[PeteS]

https://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/wiki/RFID-Zapper(EN)

(Note you may get a 'site certificate' error)

Interesting - works on the good old principle of energy overload (EMP
lite?)

Cheers

PeteS

 

[Jim Thompson]

https://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/wiki/RFID-Zapper(EN)

(Note you may get a 'site certificate' error)

Interesting - works on the good old principle of energy overload (EMP
lite?)

Cheers

PeteS

Yep. Get caught with one and do hard time, and good riddance ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[Bob Stephens]

Yep. Get caught with one and do hard time, and good riddance ;-)

On what charge? ~

Seriously though, all punsmanship aside, what's illegal about generating an
electromagnetic field near a semiconductor that you own?


Bob

 

[Jim Thompson]

On what charge? ~

Seriously though, all punsmanship aside, what's illegal about generating an
electromagnetic field near a semiconductor that you own?


Bob

Do you seriously believe that developers of an RFID zapper are doing
it for "personal privacy" reasons? They're common thieves, of the
same ilk as those who think music IP should be free.

Clothing RFID tags are normally zapped at POS (point-of-sale) so you
can go out the door without alarming.

Since I've been involved in the development of several RFID systems
maybe I should add explosive results from field overload ?

...Jim Thompson

 

[PeteS]

On what charge? ~

Seriously though, all punsmanship aside, what's illegal about generating an
electromagnetic field near a semiconductor that you own?


Bob

Gotta agree - if I buy something that happens to have an RFID tag,
what's illegal about me blowing it away? I could see the point if I
went to the local WalMart / ASDA with an EMP generator

Cheers

PeteS

 

[PeteS]

Do you seriously believe that developers of an RFID zapper are doing
it for "personal privacy" reasons? They're common thieves, of the
same ilk as those who think music IP should be free.

Maybe, maybe not. I sorta like the idea of keeping the store honest -
when I want the tag zapped, I mean zapped, not 'asleep'.

Clothing RFID tags are normally zapped at POS (point-of-sale) so you
can go out the door without alarming.

They can also be sent to sleep - and reactivated later. Lots of mealy
mouth answers from manufacturers on that issue - enough that I don't
trust them. Like I said, if it's mine, I'll zap it if I wanna

Since I've been involved in the development of several RFID systems
maybe I should add explosive results from field overload ?


...Jim Thompson

Cheers

PeteS

 

[Jim Thompson]

Maybe, maybe not. I sorta like the idea of keeping the store honest -
when I want the tag zapped, I mean zapped, not 'asleep'.


They can also be sent to sleep - and reactivated later. Lots of mealy
mouth answers from manufacturers on that issue - enough that I don't
trust them. Like I said, if it's mine, I'll zap it if I wanna


Cheers

PeteS

Watching too many soap operas, or reading too many sci-fi magazines?

Where are you getting these BS ideas?

...Jim Thompson

 

[Ignoramus2491]

Do you seriously believe that developers of an RFID zapper are doing
it for "personal privacy" reasons? They're common thieves, of the
same ilk as those who think music IP should be free.

Please do not confuse sharing (of information) with stealing (of stuff
that costs money to replace).

i

 

[Jim Thompson]

Please do not confuse sharing (of information) with stealing (of stuff
that costs money to replace).

i

I just love those terms "sharing" and "for educational purposes only"
;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[Bob Stephens]

Gotta agree - if I buy something that happens to have an RFID tag,
what's illegal about me blowing it away? I could see the point if I
went to the local WalMart / ASDA with an EMP generator

Cheers

PeteS

That's my point. Just because an object has the potential to be used for
illegal purposes doesn't make the thing itself illegal. You could walk into
a store with an EMP RFID zapper in one hand and a shopping bag in the other
and use one to defeat the anti theft device and the other to conceal stolen
property if you were of such a mind. Do we need to register and regulate
the use of bags too?


Bob

PS I live in California where we have a Goddamned law, regulation, code,
tax and fee on everything imaginable, so I'm a bit touchy on the topic.

 

[Jim Thompson]

That's my point. Just because an object has the potential to be used for
illegal purposes doesn't make the thing itself illegal. You could walk into
a store with an EMP RFID zapper in one hand and a shopping bag in the other
and use one to defeat the anti theft device and the other to conceal stolen
property if you were of such a mind. Do we need to register and regulate
the use of bags too?


Bob

PS I live in California where we have a Goddamned law, regulation, code,
tax and fee on everything imaginable, so I'm a bit touchy on the topic.

So you've been Californicated ?

Can someone demonstrate the existence of a "smart" RFID tag that
resides on a consumer product? I don't think so. I think you're
being paranoid.

The range of passive tags is a few feet.

I know of very damn few active tags that can do much more than ten
feet.

Privacy or theft ?

(Besides... didn't you know that your skull was bar coded at birth?
You just haven't looked up there ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[Bob Stephens]

So you've been Californicated ?

Can someone demonstrate the existence of a "smart" RFID tag that
resides on a consumer product? I don't think so. I think you're
being paranoid.

The range of passive tags is a few feet.

I know of very damn few active tags that can do much more than ten
feet.

Privacy or theft ?

(Besides... didn't you know that your skull was bar coded at birth?
You just haven't looked up there ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Not a problem. That's what tinfoil hats are for.


Bob

 

[Jim Thompson]

Not a problem. That's what tinfoil hats are for.


Bob

Bwahahahahaha!

...Jim Thompson

 

[Richard Henry]

(Besides... didn't you know that your skull was bar coded at birth?
You just haven't looked up there ;-)

No need to. Fingers have been barcoded for millennia. Even works to
distinguish identical twins, unlike DNA.

 

[Jim Thompson]

No need to. Fingers have been barcoded for millennia. Even works to
distinguish identical twins, unlike DNA.

Natch!

...Jim Thompson

 

[Anthony Fremont]

Watching too many soap operas, or reading too many sci-fi magazines?

Where are you getting these BS ideas?

Probably from looking at his browser cookie cache. ;-) I have to side
with the "only good RFID tag is a dead RFID" folks. I certainly feel
within my rights to kill any after I've made a product purchase. I
really don't think that it will be long before we all see the wide
spectrum of wrongdoings that can be committed via RFID technology,
especially by marketing types.