You obviously consider yourself an expert at pool maintenance, electrical,
motors and Usenet.
You have provided no information , as asked, on pool chemical costs, you
have made assumptions about the OP's whereabouts, profess to be a motor
expert, are currently making you fourth post, under this new name, and do
not understand electrical consumption rates and tried to twist the thread
into your personal victory, instead of offering helpful information to the
OP.
Since you babble a bunch of pool nonsense in an electrical group. We'll just
leave your babble with the opinion of another wannabe troll.
I found it hard to seperate information when I was a newbie also.
Do you consider yourself a pool, energy, or Usenet expert?
No, but like others in this thread, I have owned pools and spas and
maintained them myself, so I have considerable direct experience. I
have a Taylor pool test kit used by professionals, do all my own water
testing and chemical application. You, on the other hand, have never
even owned a pool.
I do know one thing...it is proably cheaper, at the advice of experienced
people, and simple math, to use chemicals in a pool a than to run a 1 HP
pump motor 24/7 with PG&E TOU rates during the day. Even the eight hour
peak
usage rate of 58.2 cents /kWh (200% of base consumption) (you understand
energy units and rates, right?) x 8 x 1HP / 80% efficiency
= $134.60 per month. (peak TOU consumption only not including any taxes
or
delivery charges)
http://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-6.pdf
Lets look at all the residential rates PG&E had in effect in June
2010.
http://sheet.zoho.com/view.do?url=http://www.pge.com/tariffs/ResElecCurrent.xls
The highest baseline rate was 12cents kwh, 130% of baseline was 13.5
cents, 200% was 29 cents, 300% and over was 40 cents. The average
rate was 18 cents. So tell us first, where the poster asking for
advice indicated that he was a PG&E customer. Then tell us how that
58 cents is a reasonable estimate for the cost of electricity for a
typical residence in the USA. The rate schedule you used appears to
be targeted at residences with SOLAR POWER. Did the poster say
anything about solar power? Every reasonable poster here knows only
a loon would impute a 58 cents per kwh to a typical residential
electric user in the USA. I can show you widespread rate table from
the DOE that show more typical is 9 cents to 18 cents, which probably
covers 95%+ of us.
Next, the whole point of this thread is that with a two speed pump,
you run it mostly in low speed. It;s rated at 1hp when run at HIGH
speed. At low speed it runs at a fraction of that power and moves the
same amount of water with 40% to 60% less electricity. So, even
using your faulty number of $135 a month, running at low speed the
pump would use about half that, or a mere $70 a month. Now tell us
what kind of additional chemicals would be involved and how much they
cost to do it your idiotic way.
How does a few extra chemicals needed fare to shutting the pump down
during
peak hours. Time for **YOU** to wake up now and give advice on some energy
stats vs pool chemical stats. Some will be waiting for you expert advice
comparing the two.
Show me where I ever said he has to run his pump during peak hours.
In fact, I stated from the very beginning that every pool pump I have
ever seen has been on a timer. Explain to us why he can't use a dual
speed pump and run it in low speed mode when energy rates are low, ie
all night long. You could get 12 hours a day at the offpeak rate,
which would be fine. If more filtering were needed, the pump could
also be run at times when the rates are moderate, not peak.
Explain why as another poster pointed out, some utilities are
offering REBATES to get people to move to multi-speed pumps and in
some places, they are being required on new pools. Show us any
credible pool website that says it's cost effective to rely on
addional chemicals instead of adquate filtration. Everyone
knowledgable about pools that I've ever read always says that proper
pool maintenance begins with adequate circulation. Also tell us how
you'd have a clue as to how what additional chemicals might be needed
to maintain a pool without adequate circulation and how much they
would cost.
And since you dragged PG&E into it, take a look at this gem from the
PG&E website:
http://www.pge.com/myhome/saveenergymoney/rebates/seasonal/poolpumps/
"Swimming Pool Filtration Pumps and Motors.ShareRSSPrintGet a $100
Rebate
Did you know that a single speed pool pump and motor can account for
up to 20% of your home’s total electrical costs? Installing a new
multi-speed pump and motor can save you energy and money. Residential
and multifamily pool owners can get a $100 rebate for replacing an
old, single speed pump and motor with a new qualifying multi-speed
system."
Yet here you are, making a complete ass of yourself. Had enough?
