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Probably a stupid question...

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Bob Myers

Jim Thompson said:
Nope. Tell me, Is there anything intelligible in that, "Transistors,
etc..." ??

Well, that would depend on just what you think was being
asked in the original post, doesn't it? I made the assumption,
based on what was being asked and how, that the OP was
under the impression that the way you made an amplifier was
to pick up a transistor that was labelled "Gain of 10" or some
such, and that's all there was to it.

If that assumption was incorrect, my apologies. But what did
YOU think was being asked?

Bob M.
 
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Bob

"Not very much" means a barely perceptable difference in signal quality when
used with a standard portable shortwave radio, if any perceptablel
difference at all. At any freq in the shortwave spectrum, but mainly from
approximately 6 MHz to 12 MHz. The commercial product I was copying is
supposed to help pull in weak signals, but I have heard it doesn't do this
very impressively, so suspected the schematic I was working with was just
not designed very well. Makes use of two N-channel JFETs and a UHF high
speed switch, but left a lot to be desired on my part. I added a
Q-multiplier taken from Joe Carr's Practical Antenna Handbook, which
improved things, but I'm still not satisfied as I want it to work with the
on-board whip as well as it does with the 110' longwire antenna I currently
use it with. I am guessing I need another 20 or 30 db out of it, at least.
I am still fairly new to RF however, so it goes slowly.

Connecting a preamp directly to a receiver will not have a usefull
effect at all unless the preamp has a lower noise figure than the
front end
of the receiver. The noise figure, not the gain, is usually the
limiting factor.

When the preamp does have a usfull effect you will only notice
an increase in signal quality when the received signal would be
near the noise floor of the receiver without the preamp.
Shortwave is noisy, when listening to a signal that stronger than
about
10dB more than the sensitity figure of your receiver you will not
get any improvement from a preamp.

If connecting a preamp directly to a shortwave receiver has a
significant
effect it generally means that your receiver is deaf.

Preamps are usefull where there is significant loss in the cable
between the antenna and the receiver but only if the preamp is
at the antenna, not at the receiver.

Adding 30dB of wideband gain is unlikely to have a usefull effect. It
is likely to overload your receiver and produce lots
of noise due to intermodulation and harmonics when you
drive the receiver into nonlinearity.

Bob
 
J

JimW52

He didn't ask about 'shutting them down' did he ? It's called 'pinch off'
by electronics engineers btw.

What biasing is required to shut you down? Just curious :)

Jim
 
J

John Larkin

What biasing is required to shut you down? Just curious :)

Jim

Ignore him. He has joined AlwaysWrong and Phyllis in the
all-insults-no-content mode. He's a usenet pain slut, determined to be
despised by everyone.

John
 
M

Michael A. Terrell

JimW52 said:
What biasing is required to shut you down? Just curious :)


Anything from .22 to .357 should work.


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the FET IS a current amplifier like the old tubes so the bigger the resistor the bigger the voltage gain.
 
Q

qrk

Connecting a preamp directly to a receiver will not have a usefull
effect at all unless the preamp has a lower noise figure than the
front end
of the receiver. The noise figure, not the gain, is usually the
limiting factor.

When the preamp does have a usfull effect you will only notice
an increase in signal quality when the received signal would be
near the noise floor of the receiver without the preamp.
Shortwave is noisy, when listening to a signal that stronger than
about
10dB more than the sensitity figure of your receiver you will not
get any improvement from a preamp.

If connecting a preamp directly to a shortwave receiver has a
significant
effect it generally means that your receiver is deaf.

Preamps are usefull where there is significant loss in the cable
between the antenna and the receiver but only if the preamp is
at the antenna, not at the receiver.

Adding 30dB of wideband gain is unlikely to have a usefull effect. It
is likely to overload your receiver and produce lots
of noise due to intermodulation and harmonics when you
drive the receiver into nonlinearity.

Bob

You might have a situation where you have lots of external
interference like power line arcing noise. A preamp won't help that
situation either.
 
L

LVMarc

Dave said:
But what determines the gain, or amplification factor, of an N-channel JFET?
Hate to expose my ignorance, but... Is it the biasing? Or what? What I
have doesn't specify such on the packaging, and I am wondering.

TNX

Dave


The simplest description of how these things amplify goes like this:

inside the package they have black magic
when you wiggle one of the lead , another one wiggles with more vigor.
biasing, without proper biasing and voltage and current limits, things
get hot and the magic black smoke escapes.

after the smoke is released, the part never amplifies again!

I have seen this myself with my own eyes!



The more scientific descriptions, use transconductance, gm, to describe
the Io/Vin relation ship.... a lot of background on operational
bisiaing is required for any operation at all.

Marc
 
D

Dave

Hey Bob,

Replies interspersed...

Bob said:
Connecting a preamp directly to a receiver will not have a usefull
effect at all unless the preamp has a lower noise figure than the
front end
of the receiver. The noise figure, not the gain, is usually the
limiting factor.

The noise figure of the active antenna seems to be extremely low. The
components have a noise figure of something like 2 db each, and (since I
added the q-multiplier) it does pull in signals that are otherwise
unavailable to the receiver alone (even with the 110' longwire attached.)
When the preamp does have a usfull effect you will only notice
an increase in signal quality when the received signal would be
near the noise floor of the receiver without the preamp.
Shortwave is noisy, when listening to a signal that stronger than
about
10dB more than the sensitity figure of your receiver you will not
get any improvement from a preamp.

Hmm. Okay. Might explain why it doesn't work any better than it does.
If connecting a preamp directly to a shortwave receiver has a
significant
effect it generally means that your receiver is deaf.

Preamps are usefull where there is significant loss in the cable
between the antenna and the receiver but only if the preamp is
at the antenna, not at the receiver.

Again, might explain...

Adding 30dB of wideband gain is unlikely to have a usefull effect. It
is likely to overload your receiver and produce lots
of noise due to intermodulation and harmonics when you
drive the receiver into nonlinearity.

Bob

Hmmm. Well, thanks for the input. I may have been on a wild goose chase.
What would you recommend for increasing the sensitivity of my receiver? I
am planning on a directional antenna, to help eliminate extraneous noise
etc. What about that?

Many thanks,

Dave
 
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