Power outlet in home bathroom

[Guest]

Hi everyone,

I think my question would be simple to answer for myself if I had access to
Queensalnd wiring regulations.
Of course I don;t have & a dwnld of the same would cost $65 a bit steep for
materiasl which you would expect to be public domain?

Our homw is about 18 years old.
Batroom has no power outlet, IE three pin wall socket.
I could install fairly easily utilising the light switch but do not know if
this is illegal.
Our home is protected o all circuits with an RCD & all circuits are
protected by circuit breakers.
Seems to me it would be quite safe as weel as very practical to daisy chain
ane power outlet off the existing light switch.

Any comment/advice sought & appreciated.

Pete

 

[John G]

Hi everyone,

I think my question would be simple to answer for myself if I had
access to Queensalnd wiring regulations.
Of course I don;t have & a dwnld of the same would cost $65 a bit
steep for materiasl which you would expect to be public domain?

Our homw is about 18 years old.
Batroom has no power outlet, IE three pin wall socket.
I could install fairly easily utilising the light switch but do not
know if this is illegal.
Our home is protected o all circuits with an RCD & all circuits are
protected by circuit breakers.
Seems to me it would be quite safe as weel as very practical to daisy
chain ane power outlet off the existing light switch.

Any comment/advice sought & appreciated.

Pete

If you were a licensed electrician as is required in Aus to do this kind
of work you would have learned the rules and most likely have a copy of
AS/NZS 3000 close at hand.

 

[Lance Ryan]

Peter,
are you an electrical contractor?, if not you need to speak to
one, this may interest you
http://www.eso.qld.gov.au/legislation/facts/electricalwork.pdf
an unlicensed person was recently prosecuted in the Rockhampton (Qld Aust)
courts and fined $6000.00 for preforming electrical work.

 

[Roy Q.T.]

that is rather crude....

I don't know about Austrailia but in here the US you are allowed to do
your own Work in your Own Home., I doubt you'll face any charges for
Tapping off an Excisting Lighting Circuit and running off a nearby
Convenience Outlet in your own home.

If you've done wiring before: First make sure you have enough Residual
Current (Juice) on the circuit with all the Lights etc. from the Target
Circuit On of course. (measure the amperage across it with a clamp on
meter at the Panel ) pull the wire away from the Box and test it., If
you have; let's say 7 or so Amps on The Target Circuit from a 15 Amp
circuit breaker [everything on], you can proceed, * Knowing the Amperage
of what you intend to use on the New Receptacle helps you determine this
better. Next

Open your Lamp circuit, Make holes: Find your path inside through the
walls with a snake of fishtape, make your holes pass the cable ~ 2/12 BX
(armored) or 3/12 UF (Romex) {with proper connectors at both ends of
your wiring job}, install wire into a 2x4 Box install the box, splice
your wires connect the device, connect your tap, neutrals & ground first
then Hot, test your Receptacle device, replace Lamp install Plate outlet
cover & close the job and plaster or patch any holes in your walls &
ceiling corners.

I've done it for Friends & Family everywhere, no complaints, no
problems, no warrants };-)

Of Course; if you feel this is too much or you that you can't do it
safely, then for the sake of Pete, Call a Competent Electrician.

 

[Roy Q.T.]

Since it is in the Bathroom:

You Must Use a GFCI Type Receptacle to be safe & up to Code.

everything else is as mentioned.

 

[Roy Q.T.]

Foreign Electrical Systems are different & unique to me..

Does the RCD stand for Radio Controlled Doll ? };-) if not; I gather it
might be some kind of Ground Fault Interrupter ??? I'd just wire down a
receptacle if the circuit is protected from overcurrent and ground
faults already at the panel.

Sorry; I haven't studied or heard much about foreign systems that much.
yet

RQT

 

[John G]

Foreign Electrical Systems are different & unique to me..

Does the RCD stand for Radio Controlled Doll ? };-) if not; I gather
it
might be some kind of Ground Fault Interrupter ??? I'd just wire down
a
receptacle if the circuit is protected from overcurrent and ground
faults already at the panel.

Sorry; I haven't studied or heard much about foreign systems that
much.
yet

RQT

Yeh well you should stop giving advice about things you have no idea
about.

 

[Roy Q.T.]

Pete can do what ever he wants in His Home even if he lived in Cuba
where their codes violations could cost you Death by Firing Squad. It's
In His Own Home .

Rather than Rant on how Bad it is to do your Own work in your own home
in the World of Electricity., why don't we focus on Heping him do it
Right.

I am getting Narsty thoughts about this JG guy.... some one please say
something before i say how nasty.

I think this guy's had too many shocks and doesn't want to see anyone
hurt, so all he can do is say hire some else with a License to do what
You Can do, your Wise, Experienced, Lucky Home Owner, Done Electrical
wiring for years Self in your Own Home, for get all that Code
Enforcement Officer.,Make the Owner Pay Him all the money He can and
don't ask Us Here.

we don't do that in this group };-)

He didn't even clear up what RCD stands for is it Real Crazy Dude ? well
I guess we'll never know, because all they do is Bash other people who
ask, then he thinks he's Alright because he believes I don't know zip
about electricity.,

probably finds it too hard to believe I have Vested Authority, 2 hands,
a trained mind, the tools and skills to get the job done., in fact all I
am lacking is the Airfare to go do it myself.

I don't think the Embassy or the Aussies will mind my visiting as He so
Shockingly does

Being Irate with Matter & rudeness unto others will probably keep
drawing Current his way.

Throw a dog a bone };-)

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[Roy Q.T.]

The other one. JG, you sound Like: Don't pull your own dangling teeth if
your not a Dentist.Hey and you you shouldn't be telling him to do that
just because you know how to do it.

Don't scratch your ass if you're not a Licensed Masseuse Go to the
Parlor };-)

 

[Daniel Indyk]

In Australia no one except a licensed electrician may make any alterations
to the installation. To advise any unlicensed person to do anything other
than to get someone qualified to perform the work is doing a very foolhardy
thing IMHO.

In this particular case the initial poster exhibited gross ignorance of the
subject. They wanted to supply GPO from a light switch. At a light switch
point one can usually only access the live and switched-live wires, the
neutral being looped in/out at the ceiling rose. The ground wire is often
not accessable at the switch as it is also looped in-out at the rose,,,if it
was used at all. Most lighting installations only employ 2 wire live-neutral
cabling. So it would probably be impossible to supply the required GPO from
the light switch anyway. Also Australia has very strict rules, AS3000, as
regards GPO's in wet zones. To give advice on this point without in depth
knowledge is reckless to say the least.

Daniel Indyk

Chartered Electrical Engineer (Power)
Licensed Electrical Contractor

 

[Roy Q.T.]

Recently here in the US I found a Bathroom Circuit direct fed from the
upgraded Fuse-Panel Board., as Described here:

The darndest thing it went into the switch box first with 2 Live wires &
1 Neutral, there it connected to a switch/receptacle at the usual place,
then, ran up into the wall fixture.... I use to worry about this type of
installation too, until GFI Breakers became more available. Now all you
have to do is make sure the Neutral is Sole for the BR Circuit and wire
in a GFI Breaker...

No more hassle, no more danger, no fuss from the customer, everything
remains as is in the br & the hazard is abated.

®oy

 

[Roy Q.T.]

Of Course here in the USA., Violations can only be removed by a Licensed
Electrician., I'm only Qualified and with Good Standing Journeyman
Credentials but, I'd be damned if I was going to let my Cousin move in
to her new apartment she bought with that Eminent Danger Present.
®oy